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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:06 PM
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The Most Horrifying Photos of what we're doing in Iraq
WARNING...These photos are extremely GRAPHIC. I came across this site by accident, and I had never seen these photos posted anywhere else. 1000 PHOTOS of the horrors suffered by the people of Iraq. What did they ever do to deserve THIS!!??

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page5.htm
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:09 PM
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1. you'll never see these photos in our corporate controlled
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 05:09 PM by number6
"press" ...
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:13 PM
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2. Just more evidence of the winning of hearts and minds, dude.
sob...
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:21 PM
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3. I have known about and viewed fhese photos for months and months
tbey are my prime motivation to decry this illegal war.

These are human beings. It does not matter what language they speak or what god they worship.

They, like us, are human beings, doing the best they can to raise a family and to instill in their children the proper values, as they see it. They are and were NOT Saddam Hussein.

We invaded thier home country and we slaughtered them and their children.

These are NOT an enemy, but they have been transformed into an enemy , one which deserves to have it's ten year old children be sighted through the crosshairs.

This is a slaughter. This is indeed somthing to be ashamed ofl

Yet we have few who are ashamed. Instead we have a great many who think we need to have done this.

Heh--we NEED to have done this, because Iraq had stuff we wanted.

And that is the truth
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:23 PM
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4. How can anyone
Look at those photos and still support the troops?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:27 PM
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5. Tribalism.
"Our" troops are more important than "their" women and children.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:29 PM
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6. These photos should be used as evidence
at the International War Crimes Tribunal...

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-index.htm

WAR CRIMES
A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal

by Ramsey Clark and Others

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:34 PM
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7. Just noticed
that is a Tribunal for the First Bush War.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-05-iraq...

The only War Crimes Tribunal I find for this war is the one against Sadaam:

Iraq to create war crimes tribunal in coming days

BAGHDAD (AP) Iraq's U.S.-appointed government will establish a tribunal for crimes against humanity in the coming days that could try hundreds of officials, including Saddam Hussein and his top aides, Iraqi and American officials told The Associated Press on Friday.
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:43 PM
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12. How can anyone look at those pics with no specific reference or context
and come up with the breathless, hyperbolic claims at the linked site?

Over-the-top is putting it lightly.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:23 PM
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17. and just WHO do
you think caused all of those horrifying injuries?? Robert Fisk is risking his very life to record what is really happening in Iraq.


Robert Fisk

Robert Fisk, the photographer who posted those photos is the Middle East Correspondent for the UK's Independent. In 2001, he was nearly beaten to death by angry Afghanis.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1699708.stm
UK journalist beaten by Afghan mob


"Robert Fisk, the great reporter for the London Independent, was beaten almost to death on December 8 near an Afghan refugee camp. Even still, he tried to understand the rage of his assailants.


The car Fisk was driving in had broken down, and soon refugees surrounded him...Fisk punched a couple of people and then was rescued by a Muslim cleric, who put him in a police car, which eventually got him to the Red Crescent.


This is how Fisk tried to make sense of his encounter: "I had spent more than two and a half decades reporting the humiliation and misery of the Muslim world, and now their anger had embraced me, too..."

Fisk: "It's a journalist's job to be a witness to history. We're not there to worry about ourselves. We're there to try and get as near as we can, in an imperfect world, to the truth and get the truth out."

http://www.progressive.org/webex/wx121001.html
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:28 PM
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18. I'm well aware of who Fisk is and what is stances are, thanks.
But you seem to have missed the point.

Under titles like "Pictures of Destruction and Civilian Victims of the Anglo-American Aggression in Iraq" are photos of people and events with no further information provided about their context.

For example, three men sitting on the ground presumably having been detained or arrested by US soldiers. Who are these men? What were they suspected of having done? What were the circumstances of their detention? Etc...

Fisk has never been known for his subtlety.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:37 PM
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20. Then I guess you could say
our troops ain't being too subtle either.


Iraqi Prisoners paraded naked by US Marines 25th April 2003 in Baghdad.
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:41 PM
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21. "Paraded"? Ah, unbiased, dispassionate reporting at its best.
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:16 PM
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14. it's not "the troops" fault either
It falls on the Commander and Chief and all his advisers.

"The troops" are mostly kids of working-class families trying to make something of their lives. The recruiters promised them discipline, something to believe in, an education...I'll bet most of the troops did not anticipate having to participate in the atrocities of war. Many serving in Iraq are reservists and National frigging Guard...I mean when was the last time the National Guard were called into active combat duty? They're the ones who were standing guard at our airports after 9/11. Now, they're fighting a war in Iraq. Michelle Witmer was in the National Guard. Her memorial service was last Wednesday.

Please don't blame "the troops." They're just trying to make a living under the Bush regime--just like the rest of us.

Support our troups. Call your congressman and demand that they be brought home.
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markomalley Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:33 PM
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19. I'd buy what you are saying
if you would have said it 20 years ago or even 15 years ago. Since Bush I with his illegal invasion of Panama and then his incursion to prop up strong men in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, there are no soldiers who can use the excuse -- I didn't know. Even Mr. Clinton sent these people off time and again to be the point of the US spear. No, there can be no soldier who can use ignorance as an excuse. Not any more.

Sorry.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:49 PM
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22. Impeach Bush Now!
Isn't it a crime of the highest order for our leaders to ask our soldiers to kill and be killed without first making the clear moral case why this is necessary? And if it is a crime of the highest order -- akin to "high crimes and misdemeanors" -- then shouldn't our condemnation be reserved for the perpetrators of these crimes? In current circumstances, for GWB and his cabal? We should be demanding impeachment!
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Frangible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:16 PM
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15. I still support our troops 100%
If you don't understand, read "The Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sajer. You think our troops are enjoying being shot at and living in hell? Think again. Most just want to come home.
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liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:34 PM
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8. Gee Bush, Was there any other way to capture evil Sadaam than by
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 05:42 PM by liarliartieonfire
"shock & awe?

Even those who still buy bush's lie, that Sadaam's evil ways somehow legitimize this "mis"-war, must ask themselves;

"Could there have been another means to your end George Bush? Wasn't there any other way than this?"
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:35 PM
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9. Photos
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 05:43 PM by eaprez
I ran across this site several months ago when I was looking for graphic photos of war casualties. I used them in a short film I put together which I called.... "The Liberation of Iraq. A Gift From the American People". I ran them together with some hauntingly beautiful music (solo con te). These pictures are thought provoking for those individuals who have chosen to ignore the real casulaties of this action.

If American's can't stomach these photos then they have no business supporting this war.

If you go to page 18....you will see a photo with the words "F*** Iraq" spelled out on the deck of a U.S. Aircraft Carrier. Whomever the commander is of that ship should be fired. Those are not the thoughts/words of liberators -- I was very ashamed when I saw that. And some have the audacity to say that the "Iraqi's dont get it". We are the ones who don't get it.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:38 PM
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10. I hope every lurking freeper gets a chance to look at these...
...and asks themselves why they support this madness.

And if any freeper has the balls to respond, don't bother babbling about 911...you and I both know there was never a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. And don't mumble something about Saddam being a bad man...take a look at that squatter in the White House and tell me he's any better.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:20 PM
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16. freepers jack off to photos like these n/t
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:03 PM
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23. As do some in the chimpministration. n/t
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 05:42 PM
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11. Poor, bloody, betrayed people
Is this an enemy of the United States????



http://www.wgoeshome.com
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:07 PM
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13. We must seem like the terrorists to them.
What a shame on us.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:19 PM
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24. Where are the Anti-War
Demonstrations now? Do we all feel as helpless as the Iraqi people?
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