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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:18 PM
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In 2000 Nader almost cost Gore ME, IA, MN, NM, OR, WI
Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 02:31 PM by TruthIsAll
Nader received 2.7% of the vote. Nader is a threat to Kerry if he pulls over 1%. Here's why:

Nader definitely cost Gore Florida (25 EV) and possibly New Hampshire (4 EV).

Nader almost cost Gore 40 electoral votes in the 6 states he won by razor-thin margins less than Nader's total votes.

Gore would have received about 2/3 of the Nader votes.

Here are the eight states with electoral votes, margin, Nader's total, and the Gore, Bush and Nader percentages.

FL 25 EV Bush "won" by 537; Nader 97,000.
Definitely cost Gore the state.
Gore 49%-Bush 49%-Nader 2%

NH 4 Bush won by 7,000; Nader 22,000.
May have cost Gore the state.
48-47-4

IA 7 Gore won by 4,000; Nader 29,000
Almost cost Gore the state
49-49-2

MN 10 Gore won by 59,000; Nader 127,000
48-46-5

NM 5 Gore won by 500; Nader 21,000
Almost cost Gore the state
48-48-4

OR 7 Gore won by 7,000; Nader 77,000
Almost cost Gore the state.
47-47-5

WI 11 Gore won by 5,000; Nader 94,000
Almost cost Gore the state.
48-48-4

ME 4 Gore won by 33,000; Nader 37,000
Solid Gore win
49-44-6
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  - Bush and Gore are the same!  JHBowden   Apr-18-04 02:19 PM   #1 
  - in 2004 Nader is going to cost us America!  freetobegay   Apr-18-04 02:27 PM   #2 
  - Blah blah blah Nader's gonna threaten us all...  Rationality   Apr-18-04 02:28 PM   #3 
  - Election 2000  freetobegay   Apr-18-04 02:37 PM   #5 
  - Our Election 2000 VP candidate: Lieberman  Rationality   Apr-18-04 02:48 PM   #9 
  - Rationality, lets be rational:  sjgman9   Apr-18-04 02:37 PM   #6 
     - Yes, let's be rational... my turn  Rationality   Apr-18-04 02:53 PM   #11 
        - Kerry wont concede anything!  sjgman9   Apr-18-04 06:40 PM   #17 
           - Unity? Bah!  Rationality   Apr-18-04 07:46 PM   #21 
              - Excuse me?  sjgman9   Apr-18-04 09:32 PM   #22 
              - The more you pressure him to drop, the more his base will rally around him  Rationality   Apr-18-04 09:49 PM   #27 
                 - Please help us out  sjgman9   Apr-18-04 10:02 PM   #29 
                    - Yeah, that's pretty much what he said on Meet the Press  Rationality   Apr-19-04 06:57 AM   #35 
                       - I find it troubling too  sjgman9   Apr-19-04 10:02 AM   #36 
              - also  sjgman9   Apr-18-04 09:32 PM   #23 
  - Kerry seems likely to win at least MN and IA by comfortable margins.  elperromagico   Apr-18-04 02:29 PM   #4 
  - Don't see Kerry losing PA. Nothing has changed in *'s favor  elbayl   Apr-18-04 02:39 PM   #7 
  - Thats why the freepers have been sending money to him hand over fist n/t  NNN0LHI   Apr-18-04 02:42 PM   #8 
  - Relax  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-18-04 02:52 PM   #10 
  - Nader didnt Gore did. Gore is responsible for getting people to vote  corporatewhore   Apr-18-04 02:53 PM   #12 
  - Nader's run was sufficient for Gore's loss.  JHBowden   Apr-18-04 02:56 PM   #13 
  - Gore was responsible for getting people to vote for him  corporatewhore   Apr-18-04 03:20 PM   #15 
     - Nader haters are angry and uninformed or just need to get laid  HypnoToad   Apr-18-04 06:56 PM   #20 
  - Thank you, ((n/t))  Rationality   Apr-18-04 02:56 PM   #14 
  - Who's smarter Rethugs or Nader supporters?  John_H   Apr-18-04 03:28 PM   #16 
  - You got it n/t  NNN0LHI   Apr-18-04 06:50 PM   #18 
  - Don't forget these!  HypnoToad   Apr-18-04 06:55 PM   #19 
  - Nader  EndElectoral   Apr-18-04 09:38 PM   #24 
  - Now, as in 2000, I am puzzled by Nader's  freeforall   Apr-18-04 09:43 PM   #25 
  - That's true only IF  bobbyboucher   Apr-18-04 09:47 PM   #26 
  - Wrong. I assume Gore gets 65-70% of Nader votes, not 100%.  TruthIsAll   Apr-18-04 09:52 PM   #28 
     - I agree with your numbers  Yupster   Apr-18-04 10:13 PM   #30 
  - WHAT-THE-FUCK-EVER.  BullGooseLoony   Apr-18-04 10:15 PM   #31 
  - I will blame Nader. That's why we have Bush now. And I will  TruthIsAll   Apr-18-04 10:23 PM   #33 
     - You want to win? Then start demanding some  BullGooseLoony   Apr-18-04 10:35 PM   #34 
  - Nader didn't put a gun to people's heads to vote for him  Independent429   Apr-18-04 10:20 PM   #32 
 
JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:19 PM
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1. Bush and Gore are the same!
Gore is an imperialist! :crazy:
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:27 PM
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2. in 2004 Nader is going to cost us America!
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:28 PM
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3. Blah blah blah Nader's gonna threaten us all...
What is it with you people going after Nader? YOu people attacking Nader for his mere candidacy instead of trying to court his ideals are the reason we're losing votes to him in the first place! When will you people get that through your heads?
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:37 PM
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5. Election 2000
Nuff said.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:48 PM
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9. Our Election 2000 VP candidate: Lieberman
"Nuff said."
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:37 PM
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6. Rationality, lets be rational:
We applaud Nader's ideas. He's a great consumer advocate. Whats more important, Bush being thrown out of office or Nader's vanity run?

Nader needs to drop out. Now. Do you want 4 more years of Bush?

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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:53 PM
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11. Yes, let's be rational... my turn
What would be more important is for Kerry and the rest of us to finally stop this fight and see where Nader stands for just a moment. He is drawing the base that we have conceded per the misleadership of the DLC--the same DLC that was at the helm when we lost the Senate in 2002, and yes, the Presidency in 2000. WHy aren't we pushing our efforts against Bush? Every swipe we take at Nader is a wasted one.
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 06:40 PM
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17. Kerry wont concede anything!
Look, I'm no DLCer. Im here because of Dean. All I want is to really beat Bush. Nader has the capability to siphon off some of Kerry's lefty support. Whats more important to you, beating Bush or voting your conscience?


We are fighting Bush really hard, all of us. Those who support Nader deserve to have their judgment questioned. We NEED you guys behind Kerry. Yeah, he aint perfect, but no one is. We need everyone to beat Bush. Unity, Unity, Unity!!!

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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 07:46 PM
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21. Unity? Bah!
First, I never said I wasn't voting for Kerry, although come 2008 if he does what I expect him to do in Palestine he ain't getting my vote again.

But you and the rest of youse who keep saying Nader's going to drain you: YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO SHOOT YOURSELVES IN THE FOOT EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU COME AFTER NADER

Thank you for your viewership.
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:32 PM
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22. Excuse me?
How on earth will I shoot myself in the foot when I come after Nader?
How will all the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot by pressuring Nader to drop out?

Please explain this to me
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:49 PM
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27. The more you pressure him to drop, the more his base will rally around him
and to answer the other question, he supports the "security wall" and has always sides with Sharon.
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 10:02 PM
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29. Please help us out
And help turn Naders "base" into Kerry voters.


Kerry's gotta support the wall and side with sharon to make sure that the Jewish voters stay on the Dem side
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 06:57 AM
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35. Yeah, that's pretty much what he said on Meet the Press
Edited on Mon Apr-19-04 07:01 AM by Rationality
and I totally disaprove of it. That you can so readily dismiss this by saying that "Kerry's gotta support the wall and side with sharon to make sure that the Jewish voters stay on the Dem side..." excuse me for saying, but I find that quite troubling. Would you support the racial segregation of the 60s "to make sure that the white Southern voters stay on the Dem side?" You're saying about the same thing.

I seriously hope you didn't mean what you just said, but then again, you don't come across as genuine... 49 posts.....
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-04 10:02 AM
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36. I find it troubling too
I honestly do. I can see Kerry's rationalization, but I hope he changes his tune after the election.


I am genuine! I just started here, so forgive the 50 posts
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 09:32 PM
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23. also
What do you expect President Kerry to do in Palestine?
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:29 PM
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4. Kerry seems likely to win at least MN and IA by comfortable margins.
FL is going to be problematic once again, WI, NM, and OR are going to be a nailbiter.

It looks as though Kerry stands a good chance of losing PA. It wasn't one of the states where Nader's vote exceeded the margin of victory in 2000, but if we lose it, we have to pick up 21 electoral votes somewhere else just to break even. We'd have to pick up a good 40 to win. If we lose PA, we will probably have to grab OH and WV. But of course, if they go our way, PA's just as likely to go our way as well.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:39 PM
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7. Don't see Kerry losing PA. Nothing has changed in *'s favor
I live in Pgh. and nothing has changed for the better here in Pa. I don't see Gore voters switching to Bush; the contrary is probably more true with some Bush voters switching to Kerry. Nader is much less of a factor too.

It makes sense across the country in the Blue states that it would be a net gain for the Dems from '00.

Bottom line: is the country better off now then four years ago? The answer, of course, is a resounding No.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-04 02:42 PM
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8. Thats why the freepers have been sending money to him hand over fist n/t
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