Did anyone else catch the Fundie code speak?

[BeHereNow]

Git yer bibles folks-
Look up 2 Samuel and read 1:17-27
Foreign policy is now based on Old Testament law.
Put it in context with the references about "the Jews"
and "carrying on the work of the fallen."
Next, check our Isaiah 26 (entire chapter) for better understanding
of stay the course and steadfast steady leadership stayin' the course.
Oh man, we are so doomed.
BHN

PS: Y'all can make fun of me for being Christian if you want,
but the fact is- I kow my bible and I can tell you when this false
Cristian is speaking code to the other false X-tians in this country...
BLASPHEMIES as in REV 13...HE IS THE FIRST BEAST! TRUST ME ON THIS!
I am not trying to convert anyone- I'm just checking in with a
TRUE Chirstian perspective on these events.

[mmonk]

1. oakie doakie

[harrison]

2. Well, I don't know about all you say, but he was speaking code

to the Fundies when he invoked the Almighty and when he invoked the Jews and Christians. No question about that. He was also declaring our own crusade against Muslims.

[ikojo]

5. As a Jew I also think he is trying to make it

so that if one opposes the continued occupation of Iraq it is as if one condones the killing of Jews. Thus one would be an antisemite.

[AlienGirl]

14. That's what I heard it as too...

He's attempting to use Jews as ideological human shields.

Tucker

[BeHereNow]

28. 'xactly- Not only an "anti-semite"

but against "GAWDS" will.
Not to mention un-ameriKKKan and UN-X-tian.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

6. "the Fallen"

was a heavy reference to a certain verse in the Old Testament.
Protecting Israel- he as much as confessed that THAT is why
our soldiers are there and THAT is why their deaths
are not in vain..
UNBELIEVABLE!
BHN

[AlienGirl]

22. My absolute tinfoil thoughts about this

Suggesting that the war is to "protect the Jews" is a political win-win situation for him. The Bush family is known to be strongly anti-semitic, so I doubt Shrub really gives a shit about "protecting Jews."

I think he is hoping this will paint dissent as anti-semitic. That's the less tinfoily part.

I also wonder if he isn't thinking that the "war on terra" will backfire and become wildly unpopular, and instead of blaming Shrub, people will instead blame Israel (or Jews in general). :tinfoilhat: I hope my paranoia is just getting the best of me.

Tucker

[riverwalker]

36. the "suiciders" part

sort of confirms that. He was listing the reasons we are in Iraq, one of them was because Saddam "funded suiciders". I bet it was a surprise to families with kids in Iraq to learn we are there to protect Israel from "suiciders".

[BeHereNow]

38. Is "suiciders" even a word?

And you are right- suicide bombers USUALLY
refer to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict!
BHN

[BeHereNow]

7. "the Fallen"

was a heavy reference to a certain verse in the Old Testament.
Protecting Israel- he as much as confessed that THAT is why
our soldiers are there and THAT is why their deaths
are not in vain..
UNBELIEVABLE!
BHN

[Nite Owl]

3. BeHere why the concentration

on the Old Testament? It would seem that the New Testament would speak to the world of love and kindness that Jesus died for but they (the Fundies) seem to follow the OT by the letter. Just something I've never understood.

[arcane1]

12. more blood and killin' and discrimination in the OT

that's why they love it so

[BeHereNow]

29. And THAT is the question REAL Christians are asking.

The OT emphasis by the evangelicals is a COMPLETE
denial of the Grace of Jesus.
The Bible says NOTHING of a revival of the church-
quite the opposite- it warns a mass rising of FALSE Christianity,
and folks, you are watching it happen before your very eyes.
SINCERELY-
BHN

[LiberalFighter]

33. Seems fundies use the NT mostly and OT only when it suits them

And there apparently is a conflict between the 4 Gospels and Paul

Gospels according to Jesus indicate that the OT laws are to be obeyed.

Paul according to Paul indicate that the OT laws are not needed?

[kiahzero]

4. Just looked up 2 Samuel

I don't follow. Mind expanding on your idea?

[BeHereNow]

25. "How the mighty have fallen"

Refers to the deaths of Saul and David in some translations.
"The weapons of war have perished..."
What war? The war to defend ISRAEL.
The weapons? The soldiers-
Busah had a moment tonight when he was talking
about the loss of American soldiers and how we would
"carry on the work of THE FALLEN..." he got that glazed look
in his eye and said the words very carefully- it was a "moment."
And anyone who know the bible and this particular passage knew\
what he was saying.
Do you know much about this part of the OT?
You might want to read 1 Samuel to get a better picture.
BHN

[kiahzero]

31. I'm no Biblical scholar

I did study it in World Religions, though... only in passing, and not anything on either Samuel.

Seems to me that it's just a turn of phrase... Biblical allusions are common in English, since the language was so intertwined with Christianity for so long.

[BOHICA06]

False Christians ...True Christians.....

trust me....

hmmmmmmmmmm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. And what are we supposed to do with YOUR post?....

Hmmmmm?

[BOHICA06]

21. Take an Arsenio moment and

consider hmmmmmmmm!

[BeHereNow]

37. Not sure what you are implying, however,

I think it is along the lines of
"Who is to say who is a False or True Christian?"
Fortunately, Christ set forth VERY clear lines
of discernment on that topic.
And don't trust me on that, look it up.
BHN

[arcane1]

8. he quoted Isaiah back on Mission Accomplished day too, IIRC

a quote about those who live in darkness can come out

Jesus made this quote once, too. Bush thinks he's Jesus, or at least, wants the fun-dies to think so :puke:

[lastknowngood]

9. Good to know there are some sane Christians out there I started

there and have noticed his misuse of the scripture on many occasions. If it weren't for the hypocrites or loonies running the
hospital I'd likely still be there.

[mmonk]

10. I'm a little too much into reality

I guess that's why I have so much problem with this presidency.

[Ripley]

11. Was that a Fundie Flag he had on his lapel on Easter?

I recall he wore two flags that day. The bottom one looked a little odd, but I didn't see a close up. I figured it was a Crusade Flag. :shrug:

[TeeYiYi]

13. BeHereNow . . .

. . . don't be paranoid. I for one appreciate you decipering his nonsense since I can't. Especially when it comes to bible code. If the end of the world comes soon, it's only because of self fulfilling prophesy brought on by the knucklehead speaking in tongues to his minions. They've obviously been trying to incite armageddon for some time now and he was definitely turning up the heat tonight. What a moran. He's too stupid to be 'the beast'.

TYY

[undergroundpanther]

18. Read this and consider your god's rapture...

Explain this one... Fundies?


The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah’s prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah. 1988), p. 108.

Nothing can or will be done by Christians to save Israel’s Jews from this disaster, for all of the Christians will have been removed from this world three and a half years prior to the beginning of this 42-month period of tribulation. (The total period of seven years is interpreted as the fulfillment of the seventieth week of Daniel .)

"In order for most of today’s Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement’s support for Israel. It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were militarily removed from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians’ imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture.

Every time you hear the phrase, "Jesus is coming back soon," you should mentally add, "and two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will be dead in ‘soon plus 84 months.’" Fundamentalists really do believe that they probably will not die physically, but to secure this faith prophetically, they must defend the doctrine of an inevitable holocaust."


Taken from:

http://www.gutlesspacifist.com/archives/00000764.htm

[countmyvote4real]

27. I''m replying to the first post... If the chimp is too stupid to be

the beast, then why is he the POTUS?

It takes some conniving to steal an election.

[TeeYiYi]

15. BeHereNow . . .

. . . don't be paranoid. I for one appreciate you decipering his nonsense since I can't. Especially when it comes to bible code. If the end of the world comes soon, it's only because of self fulfilling prophesy brought on by the knucklehead speaking in tongues to his minions. They've obviously been trying to incite armageddon for some time now and he was definitely turning up the heat tonight. What a moran. He's too stupid to be 'the beast'.

TYY

[kichigai usagi]

16. The first beast..

Sorry but Georgie boy is not the first beast, he's the son of the first beast...the ole Dragon Lady herself!

[doni_georgia]

19. Don't get the 2nd Sam. reference

The passage in 2nd Samuel is David's lament over the death of Jonathon. Don't really get the implication here. Of course Bush* thinks that he is doing God's work here. I can somewhat follow with Isaiah, being that it is about the final judgement on the earth. A lot of those in the prophetic movement look to Isaiah to show what's going on. Honestly though, I don't know if Bush knows the Bible well enough to reference to it. I know my Bible pretty well. Bush often refers to scriptual images to evoke emotion out of his core religious right base - nothing new here I'm afraid.

What I did notice was how nervous he was. That was worth noting.

[yardwork]

20. I appreciate your sharing your insight on this topic,

because I don't know much about it, and I would have missed the significance of a lot of this.

One big question. Does W believe it himself, or is he cleverly playing on the beliefs of those who do? In other words, did he really invade Iraq for oil, but he wants to convince a signficant voting bloc that he did it to fulfill scriptural prophecy? Or are the two all mixed up in his mind? ("God and Oil and Revenge - I hit the trifecta!")

If I believed in the antichrist, I would easily believe that W might be it. I've always thought that the antichrist would look and act like a good-natured, "normal" folksy guy.

[daveskilt]

23. when he refered to iraqi's "false ideology" not so coded

the attack us because we are invading their country, stealing their stuff, killing their kids, defiling their culture and religion and basically pissing on them. its not because we are supposedly christians and they worship some "false ideology". the trouble is this plays well for the fundie bastards who are just eating it up every time he uses his crusader george speak to justify spreading peace, american christianity and democracy to those who dont want it - by force in their country and they dont get a say in it.


gaaaahhhhhhrhhhrrrgh. cant people see through this blatant double speak. I sat with my mouth open in shock at the total hubris and bloodymindedness of that concieted, maladjusted, simian prick.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

24. "Finish the work of the fallen"

yeah, it's oh so alliterative too. Meanwhile, Bush is about as fallen as you can get AFA the human race goes.

[Mari333]

26. Calm down. Think logically.

If hes using biblical references for political points, its because the only people he has left as his base are the Left Behind folks who read Tim Lahayes books. Thats all he is pandering to. He was probably told to do that, to keep that base of voters happy. These people are the Theocratic Armageddon Lobby, and if Franklin Graham and all those delusionary people are out there, thats the only base he has.
He just looked like a spoiled brat tonight who wasnt getting his way/
http://www.againstbombing.com/ArmageddonUpdates.htm

[Warpy]

30. I don't make fun of Christians

....who get the point, know the teachings, and try to follow them. You know, lefties, liberals, progressives...

Yes, everything out of that man's mouth at anything likely to be heard by the "rabble" is fundie codespeak.

They are his people, the frightened sheep who are directed by bible school workbooks to read only those things that reinforce hatred, bigotry, anger, pride, misery and death. Let's just hope they're the minority.

[jsw_81]

32. This isn't the first time he's done this

I read an article recently about how Bush inserts various fundy code words into his speeches; he did the same thing in Texas. It's his way of pandering to the whacko base he needs to win re-selection.

[BiggJawn]

34. I heard the Code....

Can't tie it to chapter and verse like you can, but I heard him loud and clear.

this ain't just a war for Iraq, or even the mid-east oil.
The squirrely fucker actually thinks he's gonna get to light the candle on ARMAGEDDON!

[Neecy]

35. "the call"

I was trying not to listen, as everything he says and does nauseates me, but at one point he mentioned something about 'the call'. This is a prime thumper code phrase, so it caught my ear.

Maybe someone can find the exact reference, but it was there.