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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:06 PM
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After all the spinning is done, it is devastating news for GW Bush....
The spinners will say, "Move along...thereis nothing to see". It is just like Condi and the White House said, "It is just an historical memo"..They will try not to call it a "briefing" because the very word denotes some type of new information being put forth. They will say there was nothing in the briefing that was "actionable" intelligence. However, if we look at the last 2 paragraphs of the PDB, we see that NYC is specifically mentioned as a target. We see that they planned on using explosives of some sort. We see that it was a group of bin Laden supporters already in the US planning the attacks. Did our FBI know any of these supporters and where they lived? Were they using surveillance on these "suspects"? Did they have names that they did not follow up on? There was certainly "actionable" intelligence but it was ignored. There was a massive intelligence failure but the question is "Why?"
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The last two paragraphs of the Aug 6 PDB:

"Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives."


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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:10 PM
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1. Recall how soon after the event
they had this information out. Hmm
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:16 PM
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3. They did the same thing with Oswald's bio immediately following the...
...JFK assassination.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:12 PM
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2. Do you have to be a National Security Advisor to read that Memo and figure
out that "lets see they have attacked the WTC before and if they are still trying to attack us they are more then likely going to attack there again. So what can we do to figure out how they might attack?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:26 PM
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6. and let's see, we have other indications of hijackings being planned
and of men believed connected to bin Laden in flight schools.

Its not a series of mysterious dots, its "buildings in New York" + "flight schools" + "hijackings"


Gee, this square peg fits in this square hole, this round peg fits in this round hole, and this tiangle peg fits in this triangle hole.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:56 PM
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11. and that BASTARD
SAT IN A CLASSROOM READING A KIDDIE BOOK WHILE THE SECOND TOWER AND PENTAGON GOT SLAMMED.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:19 PM
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4. W's Thoughts Were Elsewhere - Restricting Stem Cell Research
How could he be bothered on the 6th of August when he was preparing to restrict stem cell research on the 9th. Remember, just three days later he had a TV appearance in which he dealt a blow to US involvement in the next fronteer in medicine.
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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:22 PM
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5. If They're Releasing This kind Of Stuff...
...then what the hell are they hiding?


"I hate when Dick farts."
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:27 PM
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8. damn good question n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 09:22 PM
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15. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
I would love ot know what is in the records of Cheney's Energy Meetings...
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:26 PM
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7. The entire Bush Administration is a just one big bad running gag...
These revelations only confirm what most of us suspected all along. But that isn't the issue here. The real issue is, what do we do with this all of this info?

The GOP right-wing cast a virtual noose around Clinton's neck in the form of impeachment for a mere semen stain on Monica Lewinski's blue dress. The combined negligence, incompetence and neo-imperialism of the Bush-Cheney-Rove machine has resulted in the blood of thousands staining the sands of the Middle East. And yet there hasn't even been a hint of the same drive to punish Bush among Democrats as the Republicans mustered to tarnish Clinton.

I'll say it: November 2 isn't going to be enough to break Bush and his junta. We need to push for a full-scale investigation into ALL of their secretive activities, and punish those who deserve to be punished for jeopardizing the security of this country, its well-being and its future.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:32 PM
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9. Bravo, NeoBuckeye!
Absolutely, full investigation and punishment for the junta. They have dragged America through the dirt, assured generations of blood feuds, sacked the Treasury and killed thousands. Time to hold every damned one of the accountable!

Oh, and welcome to DU! Looking forward to seeing more of your psots.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:51 PM
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10. but but but -- nobody CALLED Condi and told her what to do!
how can you expect her to do something about this, if Uncle Dick didn't call her and tell her exactly what to do? Huh? This is SO unfair to Dr. Rice!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 09:02 PM
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14. she was waiting for the riddle...
Like in those old Batman shows from the 60s - "Riddle me this Condi.."
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:57 PM
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12. I think it is devastating.
Edited on Sat Apr-10-04 08:59 PM by rustydog
BUT, taken in context with the rest of the PDB's Bush has received since taking office, it think it may be a nail in the coffin of this presidency.

One note isn't necessarily a threat, but when daily PDB's to the president states terror is coming to America and they are ignored, it is true incompetence. Don't forget, these threats were specific enough for Ashcroft to stop flying commercial airlines yet Bush FAILED to alert the airline industry of the threat.

One big question: Why?

When the EVIL Bill Clinton was presiding over the nation, he received PDB's that hinted at a problem and he took action (Clarke's testimony) and the direct result of that action was the arrest of the millenium bomber as he tried to enter Washington State via Canada with explosives in his vehicle.
Did yáll know that 7 others were caught up in that incident also?

Bush, as a leader in defending us against terror has been an abject failure from the get go.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-04 08:59 PM
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13. It's horrifying. When I think about those people on the high floors
It's devastating. I'm enraged.

FEDERAL buildings in New York? That's LOWER MANHATTAN.

Sadly for Condi the report didn't say whether the attacks would be WEST or EAST of BROADWAY.

Otherwise, they would have DONE something about it.

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