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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:56 PM
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is "insurgent" the correct terminology?
Every time I hear the media or the bushies refer to the people fighting against the US occupation as insurgents I am struck by the use of the word. It seems to me that they are trying to down-play the seriousness of whats going on (which is obvious) by diminishing the forces Marine and Army units are facing.

According to www.m-w.com, insurgent is defined as:

1 : a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
2 : one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party

I suppose, technically, it is a proper term, but does it strike anyone else as dismissive? I'm not saying the militia or groups fighting need to be formally recognized or elevated in stature, but by calling every event the work of insurgents, in my opinion, portrays it as wayward individuals or outside forces coming into Iraq and disrupting the peace provided by the US; not the population resisting the occupation of their land.

Thoughts?
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:59 PM
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1. Not as bad as "pacify"
They were printing stories that they were going to "pacify" the Iraqis--with guns.

I do not believe the term "pacify" has ever been used in this context....?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:00 PM
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2. resistance is the right word
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 03:01 PM by mmonk
but no one dare use it for what it conjures up in thought.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:02 PM
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3. Exactly. I've been shaking my head in amazement ...
... for weeks now that we dare to call them 'insurgents' when, oh, um ... 200 years ago people on this slice of real estate were called 'patriots'. :eyes:


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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:02 PM
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4. I Don't Like It Myself
I was noticing the same thing and didn't like it a bit. I tend to think of them a Iraquis who are fighting an occupying army, and I don't think that the name for people who are doing that is insurgent. In othere wars of occupation they have been called freedom fighters, but I don't think that fits either. I don't know what to call them.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:21 PM
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5. The correct term is "homisurgent"
according to FAUX NEWS.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:29 PM
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6. is that for real?
I don't even know what to make of that word
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:32 PM
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8. No. It's a play on "homicide bomber"
I thought after I posted that maybe such further mangling of the English language by FAUX is actually plausible.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:45 PM
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9. The U.S military
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 03:48 PM by Karenina
invaded Iraq under long since proven false pretenses, enabling U.S. corporations to come in and rape and pillage a people who had already been pounded into the sand by 12 years of "sanctions."

The Iraqis have NOTHING to lose by fighting back against the aggressors.
Indeed they have NO CHANCE if they do not do so. I watch in absolute HORROR as I read posts from the land in which I was born. The IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE, LACK OF EMPATHY FOR OTHERS and BLATANT RACISM are much too much to bear. So many on this board have tried to get folks to make the connexion, "What if YOU were in the same situation?" Present company excluded, THAT REALITY seems to fall on deaf ears. "How DARE THEY kill OUR soldiers and mercenaries?" KILL'EN ALL AND LET "G_d, Allah, Jehovah, WHOMEVER sort 'em out after the fact. :eyes:

AMERICANS ARE THE "PROBLEM." I hope my thoughtful fellow DUer will not mind my cut&paste:

Posted by JohnOneillsMemory

And I've raged about the seemingly willful ignorance and denial to my close circle who have had to calm me down as I rant.

So I merely offer what I remind myself when I'm clenching my fists and weeping for the dreadful consequences of so many people not knowing or caring about all this corruption and suffering:

All of us are lied to about our government's virtue (or lack of it) from the day we are born. To quote a much abused wise man whose words are often twisted beyond recognition, "forgive them for they know not what they do." Almost all Bush* supporters think they are doing the right thing in difficult times even though they're supporting murderers.

These people who think Bush* and company are Christian Soldiers fighting evil have been misled for their entire lives in a carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign to keep them drinking from the toilet bowl of deception as if they were lapdogs enjoying the clean water of righteousness.

Perhaps because Americans have been raised to believe that they:
1) live in a democracy.
2) compete in free markets.
3) share equal opportunity for all.
4) see their government spreading democracy and protecting the innocent around the world.
5) inherited the status of Best in Show Among Humans in 1776, 1945, 1991 and 2003 by winning the Revolutionary War, WWII, and both Iraq Wars I and II.

These are all lies taught to American children in school and then reinforced every day in movies and on TV for the rest of their lives. There is a well defined historical narrative that describes America as the strongest and most virtuous moral force in the world ever. So surely the President of these United States must embody all that is good about our country.

I call this Superman-Jesus-in-a-Cowboy-Hat Syndrome. Ronald Reagan fit this movie-role-as-national-identity perfectly for many Americans who didn't realize that he was a senile figurehead for a cabal of murderers who successfully portrayed the poor as lazy thieves and secretly armed terrorists against foreign governments in the name of democracy and freedom.

Here is how Americans have been led down the path to a Master Race group-think that accepts as both inevitable and just that domestic policy should be eugenics and foreign policy, imperialism:

Ever since the US lost the Vietnam War, the social atmosphere here has been very similar to post-WWI Germany. The hyper-nationalist German people were told in the summer of 1918 that they were winning World War I. But in the fall, they were suddenly informed that they had lost. They were stunned and angry as the victorious Allies raped them economically and their orderly society imploded into chaos. They looked around to find who among them had betrayed them and robbed them of their much-deserved victory over their inferiors. They demonized, assaulted, and killed Jews, labor unionists, socialists, Gypsys, and homosexuals.

The same scapegoating happened in the US after Nixon was disgraced and the Vietnam War was revealed to be a quagmire of atrocities which had also ruined the economy. The Republicans have cleverly exploited this petulant atmosphere of entitlement denied to bring us to where we are today, mired in a culture war against liberals, feminists, blacks, homosexuals, and dangerous Middle Eastern foreigners, pretty much the same targets as the Nazis.
Ever wonder why 'liberal' became a swear word? Now you know. It is the Republican power structure’s synonym for ‘Jew.’

In fact, there is a name for this late 20th century fascist movement brought into the early 21st century: Dominionism.
It is an alliance between Christian fundamentalists, Cold Warrior Fascists, and the Military Industrial Oil Complex, just like the rise of the German Nazis who, by remarkable coincidence, were also financed and supplied in their day by many US corporations, including George W. Bush's financier grandfather, Prescott Bush.

It all rather makes sense, doesn't it? Military and financial powers work hand in hand to reinforce and protect each other by keeping people starving and fighting each other over worthless things like flags and uniforms. Meanwhile, the powerful swell up like ticks on the blood of the people they fool into doing the fighting and reward them with not much more than parades, plaques, and brass bands.

Some Americans see through this and have evolved past nationalism and racism but lately it seems that a majority have not. And there is an alliance of media corporateers and fascist politicians who are determined to prevent Americans from finding out how this scam works. If you have figured out anything about life in America, consider sharing it with your fellow Americans so we can all evolve a little faster.


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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:30 PM
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7. the right word: Iraqi
the other thing I saw on ITV today was a report where they interviewed an Arab guy (from whatever country the broadcast was from, probably Canada) who said he was watching Al Jazeera and saw one of these "insurgents" waving a gun and proclaiming in Arabic that he wasn't an insurgent, he wasn't a saddam loyalist, he was just an Iraqi trying to kick these occupiers out of his country.

Of course his head was wrapped in one of those scarves and he looked very menacing. They showed the video.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:56 PM
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10. How about "living person"
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 03:56 PM by DanSpillane
AT LEAST, for the moment.
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