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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:42 AM
Original message
I need help. Someone much earlier today posted a long response to LIHOP.
They said here is all you need to know. I just went back 15-16 pages and I can not find it. Can anyone help me retrieve this post?

Thanks in advance.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:46 AM
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1. You need to give a little more information than that
It was a post refuting LIHOP?
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:55 AM
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3. It was not a post refuting LIHOP.
It was a post from a new person asking about LIHOP and someone here posted a very long list of articles and links and said here......

This is a good start.

All you need to know to understand.

I will never forget or procrastinate about bookmarking again. Writing down 1000 times. I will never.....
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zbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:49 AM
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2. This one maybe?
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:56 AM
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4. No this is not the one. Thanks though for trying.
n/t
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:01 AM
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5. this one?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:03 AM
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6. One of these? (wow, there are 50+ active threads in GD mentioning LIHOP)
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 02:05 AM by Wonk
Maybe one of the thread titles will ring a bell for you...


Would 9/11 have occurred if Gore was president...
Topic started by neoteric lefty
on Apr-09-04 01:32 AM (6 replies) Last modified by MrSlayer on
Apr-09-04 01:45 AM

LIHOP Smoking Gun - Right Out in the Open!
Topic started by Jim Sagle
on Apr-09-04 01:16 AM (2 replies) Last modified by Jim Sagle on
Apr-09-04 01:45 AM

I need help. Someone much earlier today posted a long response to LIHOP.
Topic started by anarchy1999
on Apr-09-04 01:42 AM (0 replies)

The question is: WHY did they ignore the warnings? The answer is PNAC.
Topic started by Stephanie
on Apr-08-04 09:59 PM (25 replies) Last modified by Stephanie on
Apr-09-04 01:41 AM

Come on, admit it to yourself - too many things required for LIHOP
Topic started by Must_B_Free
on Apr-09-04 01:05 AM (4 replies) Last modified by neoteric lefty on
Apr-09-04 01:40 AM

DNOP: Do Nothing on Purpose. Condi admitted it today.
Topic started by TruthIsAll
on Apr-09-04 12:53 AM (4 replies) Last modified by girl gone mad on
Apr-09-04 01:16 AM

I`m trying to figure out what actually came out of the Condipalooza today
Topic started by WilliamPitt
on Apr-08-04 11:55 AM (55 replies) Last modified by anarchy1999 on
Apr-09-04 01:10 AM

Nuke in a big American city -- just a matter of time?
Topic started by wtmusic
on Apr-09-04 12:22 AM (10 replies) Last modified by wtmusic on
Apr-09-04 01:07 AM

the Jon Stewart Show presented a Strong Possibility of LIHOP
Topic started by slinkerwink
on Apr-09-04 12:10 AM (15 replies) Last modified by OneBlueSky on
Apr-09-04 01:00 AM

Bush: LIHOP or MIHOP?
Topic started by neoteric lefty
on Apr-08-04 11:59 PM (18 replies) Last modified by Delano on
Apr-09-04 12:58 AM

LIHOP, MIHOP, or IHOP?
Topic started by Paragon
on Apr-09-04 12:29 AM (6 replies) Last modified by PurityOfEssence on
Apr-09-04 12:52 AM

Condi zinged Bob Kerrey...
Topic started by keithyboy
on Apr-08-04 10:19 PM (13 replies) Last modified by Kool Kitty on
Apr-09-04 12:49 AM

OK, We Got It! They Didn`t Have The SPECIFICS!
Topic started by Beetwasher
on Apr-08-04 08:57 PM (13 replies) Last modified by anarchy1999 on
Apr-09-04 12:26 AM

Holy Joe defends Condi Rice today
Topic started by DaveSZ
on Apr-08-04 09:57 PM (20 replies) Last modified by Blasphemer on
Apr-09-04 12:13 AM

Paraphase Condi`s testimony in one sentence
Topic started by Feeney2
on Apr-08-04 11:03 AM (72 replies) Last modified by TruthIsAll on
Apr-08-04 11:54 PM

Franken doesn`t buy into LIHOP
Topic started by soleft
on Apr-08-04 01:50 PM (46 replies) Last modified by nonkultur on
Apr-08-04 11:45 PM

Condi admitted they did nothing about the Cole bombing?
Topic started by maggrwaggr
on Apr-08-04 09:47 PM (13 replies) Last modified by maggrwaggr on
Apr-08-04 11:34 PM

Will the August 6th PDB be declassified?
Topic started by worldgonekrazy
on Apr-08-04 09:37 PM (8 replies) Last modified by napi21 on
Apr-08-04 10:31 PM

If you EVER watch anything, you MUST watch THIS: tweet/911 widows
Topic started by buycitgo
on Apr-08-04 05:19 PM (30 replies) Last modified by gbwarming on
Apr-08-04 10:02 PM

LIHOP/MIHOP for Dummies (Self Included)
Topic started by BurtWorm
on Apr-08-04 04:33 PM (10 replies) Last modified by worldgonekrazy on
Apr-08-04 09:51 PM

Lehrer show shamelfully edits testimony to make Rice look strong
Topic started by buycitgo
on Apr-08-04 06:29 PM (32 replies) Last modified by buycitgo on
Apr-08-04 09:39 PM

AirAmerica scoop?
Topic started by cmorea
on Apr-08-04 07:26 PM (8 replies) Last modified by cmorea on
Apr-08-04 09:30 PM

OK - Randi Rhodes is up @ 3p to 7p...Discussion Thread #1
Topic started by xultar
on Apr-08-04 01:56 PM (50 replies) Last modified by xultar on
Apr-08-04 09:23 PM

Rohrabacher (R-CA) just let the (LIHOP) cat out of the bag
Topic started by chookie
on Apr-08-04 02:02 PM (71 replies) Last modified by kentuck on
Apr-08-04 09:21 PM

MATTHEWS is ON FIRE!!!
Topic started by matcom
on Apr-08-04 11:55 AM (71 replies) Last modified by Rockholm on
Apr-08-04 09:10 PM

Let me get this straight: Condi`s excuse is that,
Topic started by elperromagico
on Apr-08-04 08:08 PM (30 replies) Last modified by MiddleMen on
Apr-08-04 09:02 PM

Asking Condi the Wrong Questions
Topic started by Plaid Adder
on Apr-08-04 02:35 PM (19 replies) Last modified by G_j on
Apr-08-04 08:58 PM

my question with mihop
Topic started by seabeyond
on Apr-08-04 05:40 PM (44 replies) Last modified by leesa on
Apr-08-04 08:40 PM

I hate to say this but AAR is going to have to get "nastier"...
Topic started by kentuck
on Apr-08-04 04:29 PM (18 replies) Last modified by Cocoa on
Apr-08-04 07:38 PM

Air America listeners: has anyone talked about the PNAC?
Topic started by robertpaulsen
on Apr-08-04 06:03 PM (12 replies) Last modified by scarletlib on
Apr-08-04 07:04 PM

Racism on this site...
Topic started by sleepystudent
on Apr-08-04 10:38 AM (343 replies) Last modified by ikojo on
Apr-08-04 06:49 PM

Randi Rhodes talking seriously about LIHOP!
Topic started by rainy
on Apr-08-04 04:50 PM (15 replies) Last modified by robertpaulsen on
Apr-08-04 06:33 PM

3 or more 9/11 Hijackers needed Clearance from State Department to Train!
Topic started by KoKo01
on Apr-08-04 12:34 PM (20 replies) Last modified by Minstrel Boy on
Apr-08-04 06:09 PM

In my mind, there`s 0 difference between LIHOP & MIHOP
Topic started by mopaul
on Apr-08-04 11:42 AM (6 replies) Last modified by mopaul on
Apr-08-04 05:58 PM

Is LIHOP getting ready to go public?
Topic started by pengpong
on Apr-08-04 05:29 PM (6 replies) Last modified by ThoughtCriminal on
Apr-08-04 05:44 PM

If a major cover up of 9/11 or LIHOP can be proved, * is finshed
Topic started by mot78
on Apr-08-04 05:12 PM (2 replies) Last modified by mot78 on
Apr-08-04 05:15 PM

Bush`s own words and actions regarding 9/11 are damning.
Topic started by elperromagico
on Apr-08-04 01:48 PM (12 replies) Last modified by sandnsea on
Apr-08-04 04:50 PM

O Franken Factor & 911 Short Selling
Topic started by crissy71
on Apr-08-04 02:04 PM (21 replies) Last modified by redqueen on
Apr-08-04 04:34 PM

Google LIHOP
Topic started by Old and In the Way
on Apr-08-04 03:15 PM (11 replies) Last modified by vidali on
Apr-08-04 03:32 PM

OFFICIAL CONDI LIES THREAD 7
Topic started by proud patriot
on Apr-08-04 10:56 AM (41 replies) Last modified by Kahuna on
Apr-08-04 03:09 PM

"We had Bad Intelligence Before 9/11 and We Had Bad Intelligence After"
Topic started by KoKo01
on Apr-08-04 02:19 PM (5 replies) Last modified by Veggie Meathead on
Apr-08-04 02:43 PM

Clarke`s Rebuttal Comments To Rice Testimony
Topic started by cryingshame
on Apr-08-04 11:26 AM (15 replies) Last modified by Killarney on
Apr-08-04 02:40 PM

Rohrabacher blundered on CNN just now
Topic started by PurityOfEssence
on Apr-08-04 01:53 PM (6 replies) Last modified by chookie on
Apr-08-04 02:13 PM

* Lets Bin Laden family leave the country .....after reading PDB
Topic started by emalejim9
on Apr-08-04 01:52 PM (2 replies) Last modified by indepat on
Apr-08-04 02:13 PM

Four 9-11 widows coming on Tweety in a few minutes
Topic started by mike1963
on Apr-08-04 11:24 AM (45 replies) Last modified by cally on
Apr-08-04 01:36 PM

Please clarify: What was Clarke`s actual answer to the question:
Topic started by libbygurl
on Apr-08-04 12:01 PM (13 replies) Last modified by Oaf Of Office on
Apr-08-04 01:10 PM

Another coincidence? PDB Memo and 1 month Bush vacation - same day???
Topic started by Must_B_Free
on Apr-08-04 12:21 PM (8 replies) Last modified by jackstraw45 on
Apr-08-04 12:46 PM

I want to know what Colleen Rowley thinks of all this
Topic started by GloriaSmith
on Apr-08-04 12:02 PM (6 replies) Last modified by GloriaSmith on
Apr-08-04 12:18 PM

Do You Believe The August 6 PDB (if released) Would PROVE LIHOP?
Topic started by matcom
on Apr-08-04 10:49 AM (21 replies) Last modified by Elbowroom on
Apr-08-04 11:58 AM

Tweety-boy has 9/11 wives on...
Topic started by HOWLIN_WOLF
on Apr-08-04 11:36 AM (10 replies) Last modified by KoKo01 on
Apr-08-04 11:57 AM

OFFICIAL CONDI LIES THREAD 6
Topic started by proud patriot
on Apr-08-04 10:33 AM (101 replies) Last modified by proud patriot on
Apr-08-04 10:58 AM

So there was enough info to prevent 9/11...
Topic started by durutti
on Apr-07-04 11:06 PM (14 replies) Last modified by Old and In the Way on
Apr-08-04 01:15 AM

what are your thoughts on atheism?
Topic started by mopaul
on Apr-06-04 08:43 AM (348 replies) Last modified by apnu on
Apr-07-04 10:04 PM

Have you changed your mind about 9/11 in the past year?
Topic started by Aquarian_Conspirator
on Apr-07-04 04:10 PM (9 replies) Last modified by Aquarian_Conspirator on
Apr-07-04 09:53 PM
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Thank you so much for your quick response. It was in the LIHOP
MIHOP for dummies and thank you to Luna as well.

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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:09 AM
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7. I think this might be what you're looking for

George W. Bush constantly reminds the nation about the threat of terrorism that began with 911 but he leaves out a few important details that you should know.........

In June 1997, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was born. Populated by influential Movers of industry and Shakers of public opinion, the PNAC is an organization united in the vision for a global U.S. empire - "Pax Americana" - through coercion and military domination. Their philosophy can be simply summarized:

  • There are countries to plunder and fortunes to be made. You have it, we want it. Do as we say or suffer the consequences.

  • The U.S. already has a powerful military but we plan to nurture and grow it until it's massive and we are indominable. Resistance is futile. We are.......


Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, William J. Bennett, Frank Gaffney, and I. Lewis Libby, signator's - among others - of the PNAC's "Statement of Principles".

"We need to...challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values."

"We need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future."

"It is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


JANUARY 1998 - The PNAC knew that he who owns the oil also owns the world so they sent a letter to President Clinton urging him to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power since he put "a significant portion of the world's supply of oil at hazard". Clinton didn't grant them their wish and the PNAC was disheartened that they couldn't manipulate the military while outside of the White House power structure.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


MARCH - APRIL 1999 - In an effort to capture and control the castle and all its warriors and weapons, the PNAC offered up members Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer to run as Republican candidates in the upcoming Presidential election.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/election/profile.htm


JUNE 1999 - Ever persistent and determined to maximize their potential for success in the Presidential campaign, the PNAC exercised their power of nepotism and member-Jeb Bush's brother George stepped up to the plate to join the race.


SPRING 2000 - The PNAC may have felt confident with their candidate's chances for winning the White House but they were absolutely smug over what they saw as a possible Fallback Plan...electronic voting machines with severe security flaws that included hidden backdoors, erasable audit trails and multiple vote totals with the potential to propel vote tampering to new heights through the magic of remote access.

How To Rig An Election In The United States
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Can the votes be changed?
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/access-diebold.htm

Bettter yet, Chuck Hagel - a fellow Republican loyalist - owned the ES&S voting machine company that counted 60% of all U.S. votes. He had already won one election and was part of the U.S. Senate power team in Washington.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Assured that the White House would soon be theirs, the PNAC debuted their 76-page blueprint to achieve world domination. "Rebuilding America's Defenses" became the PNAC's manifesto, detailing the ideal level of military power to specifically eliminate the hostile regimes of Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea and it endorsed pre-emptive strikes against them, tradition be damned. Iraq was given star billing as Control Central for their Mideast base of operations.

At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

"American landpower is the essential link in the chain that translates U.S. military supremacy into American geopolitical preeminence.

"We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership."

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

What is particularly foreboding and chilling in view of events to later unfold, is this statement bemoaning the lengthy process of rebuilding the existing U.S. military according to the heightened standards and specifications the PNAC aspired to.

...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://cryptome.org/rad.htm


NOVEMBER 2000 - Saddam may have sensed an ill wind in the air when he made the first strike, turned his back on the U.S. Dollar and accepted only Euros as payment for his oil. This had the potential of seriously destabilizing the U.S. economy and the PNAC considered this an hostile act of aggression towards their personal and business interests. The heat was on for them to make their first move.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2000/11/01112000160846.asp


DECEMBER 2000 - In a highly contentious Presidential vote battle on the home turf of PNAC-Jeb Bush, the Supreme Court decided that George Bush was the new President.

How George W. Bush Won the 2004 Presidential Election
http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

Bush now had the green light to seamlessly merge members of the PNAC into his Administration with no one the wiser. PNAC members elevated to the Bush hierarchy include, among others:

  • Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

  • Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

  • Elliott Abrams - Member of the National Security Council

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary for Arms Control and InternationalSecurity

  • Richard Perle - Chairman of the advisory Defense Policy Board

  • Richard Armitage - Deputy Secretary of State

  • John Bolton - Undersecretary of State for Disarmament

  • Zalmay Khalilzad - White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition


An Honorable Mention was awarded to Condoleezza Rice - National Security Advisor - who is a former oil-company consultant having been on the board of directors of Chevron as its main expert on Kazakhstan.

The PNAC agenda had now passed "Go". The most powerful military machine in the world stood at their ready and Saddam was in the crosshair.


"It is important to shape circumstances...... ." - PNAC Statement of Principles

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160

The PNAC had scored a home run with the bases loaded with the 911 event: shock, horror and fear gripped the nation, the war on "terrorism" had been established in no uncertain terms, attacking Afghanistan with public approval was a foregone conclusion and the stage was set for building a public case against Saddam.

Not one to let a good attack go to waste, Defense Secretary and PNAC-member Donald H. Rumsfeld sprung into action.

  • He told his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq, even though Saddam wasn't linked to the attacks.

  • PNAC-James Woolsey, former CIA director, was dispatched to London to look for and 'firm up' evidence of Iraqi involvement in the 911 attacks.

  • PNAC-member and Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was authorized to create the Office of Special Plans.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml


"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community who reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030512fa_fact

While the nation was stripped to the emotional bone and painfully vulnerable, the White House capitalized on the opportunity to reshape public perceptions and responses to conform with the PNAC's new American agenda. Rather than buoy the "can do" American spirit with optimism and hope for the future as Presidents before him had done in times of crisis, Bush spoke with an alarmist and pessimistic tone that served to perpetuate the high anxiety, excitability and fear in the populace.

To hear him speak, the world was a dark, evil and dangerous place....terrorism was here to stay....it would be a long struggle....America was helpless without the military might of the Government to keep the nation safe. The intent was to create a psychologically broken, weary and docile populace that would be easier to lead into war.

Fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/130534_focusecond13.html
http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception

In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting

Immediately afterwards the PNAC and White House collaboration of "GET SADDAM" played relentlessly on televisions and in newspapers across the nation and the World as the "War on Terror" waged on and the litany of lies began.


The only terrorists we have to fear are those that occupy the White House.


VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE IN 2004

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Thank you and yes, this was the one.
Very concise. Thank you, once again for the quick response to a request for help. Lesson learned.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Synchronicity was on your side
I just logged on while your request was still on the first page.

Thanks for being interested in my piece....I post it all the time but it gets such few responses I sometimes wonder why I bother. You've helped renew my commitment to keep posting even if it only gets a nibble here and there!

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. Thank you.
This document is the "Whispering Campaign"?

Are you the originator of?

Thank you, once again. If you are the originator of, how is it going in your "neck of the woods"?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Yes, "The Whispering Campaign" is mine
Feel free to pass it along a gazillion times. I think it's an important message that needs to be circulated since we can't count on the media to do their job.

And then there's that devilish delight that goes along with stealth activism.....bwahahaha!

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Don't suppose you are any where near to the Dallas Ft Worth area are you?
That would just be too much to hope for. I will be using this in a leaflet next week at our protest in front of the main Halliburton installation, if it is okay with you, if not please let me know.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. Yes, Yes, YES, PASS IT OUT!
But, no, sorry, I'm nowhere near your locality or I'd join you!



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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. I don't respond to it because I believed in something of that nature
.
.
.

way back around when Kennedy got shot.

I think that was an "inside" job

and the seeds of PNAC were germinating way back in Joe Kennedy's time.

Just wasn't all spelled out on paper.

The USA may well get to the world domination stage, but if they do,

They will end up like every other empire.

The peasants ALWAYS rise.

That's my own Canuk theory anyhoo.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Thanks and I'm in your court.
Just wish we could join with our friends and you in Canada. We do not meet the residency requirements. Looking south instead.

Thank you, Dear ConcernedCanuk. You've been here for a while. You've always been an inspiration.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. "Looking south instead" - heck - if King George gets back in
.
.
.

I'm looking further away than that!

Canada happens to be the States #1 supplier in oil

That's not good

Also one of our foolish Governments in the past committed more of our Hydro than we can spare, and we wouldn't DARE back out on that.

The US also wants our water, they even want to literally make a canal/pipeline system right up to our Hudson's Bay.

Oil, Hydro, and Water. the States is short, and we got lots. (they don't like paying)

So you figure it out - when the States gets desperate, they'll be looking to the North.

There's a good reason why Fort Drum is located where it is.

It's only 30 miles from Canada, and very close to our biggest city, Toronto, and our Capitol, Ottawa.

That fort ain't there by coincidence!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:40 AM
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18. Yes, I know.
I had the good fortune, or the misfortune of working for a company heavily involved in selling to the government of the US last year. It was an eye opening experience and severally shook me up. I have yet to recover.

My husband and I have been very active members of the community fighting for peace and our most beloved mentors left the country in March of last year.

There is no coincidence and yes we know, unfortunately, or fortunately about all the bases. We believe nothing happens to us without a reason. I was supposed to have that job selling to the government, so that I would learn and could spread the word about the level of corruption.

I am not in a place I ever thought I would be. I am suppossed to have a nice home and 2 cars, 2.5 kids, etc.......

Instead I am a rebel. What the hell happened. I guess I wished too much for the '60's.
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