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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:42 PM
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Hannity...your lies are over...Go Franken Great info
HANNITYS LIES ABOUT KERRY, DEBUNKED by Al Franken, with Tim Bradley and Ben Wikler
4/6/2004 at 14:56
About a week ago on Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity spewed a litany of lies about John Kerry being a flip-flopper and tax raiser, lies that came directly from the Bush campaign. Oddly, Alan Colmes did not respond. So we will. Hannity said:
Heres a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it. Heres a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq. Heres a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it. Heres a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it. No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it. Heres a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now hes for it. The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times. What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
Lets take these one at a time.
Heres a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it.
This is a lie. Kerrys position has always been consistent on this. I disagree with him, but Kerry has always been against gay marriage. He is for civil unions. What Hannity is doing here is taking Kerrys vote against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act and deliberately misrepresenting it as a declaration in favor of gay marriage. But let me read you what Kerry said on the floor of the Senate about that vote.
I will vote against this bill, though I am not for same-sex marriage, because I believe that this debate is fundamentally ugly, and it is fundamentally political, and it is fundamentally flawed.the results of this bill will not be to preserve anything, but will serve to attack a group of people out of various motives and rationales, and certainly out of a lack of understanding and a lack of tolerance, and will only serve the purposes of the political season.
And on that, I totally agree with him. So, for the record: Kerry has been totally consistent on this. He has never flip-flopped. Sean Hannity is lying, and he knows it.

Next.
Heres a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq.
Okay. This is just stupid. Kerrys position on Iraq has been totally consistent. Yes, he voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. But voted for that in order for Bush to go to the UN and get the inspectors back into Iraq, which was a genuine triumph. But, the president acted in bad faith. Here is what Kerry said about it on Face the Nation on September 14, 2003:
The president promised he would go to war as a matter of last resort. He didnt. The president promised he would build a coalition and work through the United Nations. He didnt. Were paying the price for the reckless way in which this president approached this. Its a failure of diplomacy, and today its a failure of leadership.
Kerry was entirely consistent, and not only that, he was right.

Next.
Heres a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it.
This is correct, but its not a flip-flop. Kerry voted for an amendment to the Iraqi appropriations bill that would have paid for the $87 billion by taking it out of the tax cut for the extremely rich. That amendment lost, 57-42, because Bush insisted that the $87 billion be added to the deficit. As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war.

After the amendment went down, Kerry did vote against the final $87 billion supplemental appropriation, as a protest against the way Bush got us into the war and is conducting it. But he knew that the troops would have the support, because the bill passed 87 to 12.

You can support our troops, and still protest the president. If you cant hold those two ideas in your head, you wont enjoy my show, and I suggest you switch over to Rush right now.

Next.
Heres a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it.
Well, heres what Kerry said:
I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th convinced that with a sunset clause it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasnt a perfect bill and it had a number of flaws but this wasnt the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

"But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. Thats why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights.
In other words, he voted for the Patriot Act after 9/11, although he objected to parts of it. Bush has abused it in ways that were never intended by Congress when it was passed. If you cant hold that in your head, you will love Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it.
This is an easy one. On this one, like all the others, Kerrys position is consistent, and principled, and Hannitys is dishonest. Kerry voted for the bill, which the president promised to fund. The president didnt fund it, which created unfunded mandates on states and school districts across this country. As a result, classroom sizes are getting bigger, after-school programs are being dropped, teachers are being fired, and education is getting worse. Everyone in education across this country will tell you that. No Child Left Behind is the most ironically named piece of legislation since the 1942 Japanese Family Leave Act.

Next.
Heres a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now hes for it.
Actually, Seans right on this one. Kerry was against the death penalty before 9/11. And after 9/11, he now supports the death penalty for terrorists. Now, Bushbefore 9/11, wanted to invade Iraq. And after it, wanted to invade Iraq. So maybe he was more consistent. Kerry was affected viscerally by 9/11. Im not sure Id call that a flip-flop.

Next.
The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times.
This is a disgraceful lie. It is a distortion of a phony statistic put out by the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign lists 350 of Kerrys votes for, quote, higher taxes. Almost all of these are votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged, such as a 1987 vote against a repeal of the windfall profit tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same if his side had prevailed. In other words, this was a vote against an irresponsible tax cut for the rich.

Let me make a side note. We need to pay for the government. Someones got to pay for it. And if you cut taxes for the rich, the burden gets shifted to everyone else, or their children.

Bushs list even includes votes that Kerry cast in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts. On Bushs list, theres only one actual tax increase that Kerry voted for, which incidentally is counted twice. Its his vote for Clintons 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, which raised taxes on the top 1% and cut taxes on people at the bottom, and was followed by eight years of unprecedented growth.
What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
The man who has no core values or principles here is a man named Sean Hannity. And you know who came up with all these lies? The campaign of a man named George W. Bush.

Look. The reason I took the time to go over all of this is youre going to hear this garbage repeated over, and over, and over again from now until November. And we are not going to let them do it. We are not going to let them do to John Kerry what they did to Al Gore.

Kerry is not a flip-flopper. But Bush is a liar. And his shills in the media, like Sean Hannity and Bill OReilly and Rush Limbaughtheyre liars too.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:47 PM
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1. so take that freeps
go pound your thoughtless drivel elsewhere
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:51 PM
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2. Deep Thoughts!
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:01 PM
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3. Dude - always provide a link
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:06 PM
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4. oh thats not where I got it, but thanks
a bunch
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:22 PM
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6. Wow - people are already copy and pasting Franken's blog?
I suppose that's pretty cool.


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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:09 PM
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5. If it can be proved that Faux news intentionally
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 03:12 PM by SemperEadem
and repeatedly engages in cablecasting outright lies on their various programs, can their license to operate be challenged? Can the FCC be brought to task for not cleaning up the false dissemination of information designed to influence elections and lead this country into further bloodshed by Faux, and Hannity in particular?

Start effin' with his paycheck, and we'll see how much of a whore he is for Faux--he's like o'liely---a prostitute allowing himself to be so blatantly pimped by his owners/bosses.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:43 PM
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7. Franken rocks
Thank you God for Al Franken.

:toast:
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:52 PM
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8. Could you imagine Hannity
having the balls to replace Colmes with Franken?

I wish Colmes would get replaced; he seems perfectly content to be Hannity's punching bag. However, Hannity would have to go long and far to find sheep as submissive as Colmes is. JMHO.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:56 PM
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9. Maybe not Franken, but at least somebody combative
Franken has enough going on with 15 hours of radio a week... A lot of folks on DU seem high on Mike Malloy. How about Malloy for Colmes?
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:21 AM
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11. Anyone who actually stands up to
Hannity is good enough for me. Colmes doesn't and apparently won't. I'd still like Franken to do it, though - Hannity does 15 hours of radio a week too.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 03:58 PM
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10. Fsck me sideways with a stuffed platypus!
This man packs a wallop! :nuke:
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 06:21 PM
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12. Beautiful! n/t
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