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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:13 AM
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i just feel sick to my stomach
because i know a chain of events has been set in motion, and there isn't going to be a happy ending. I dread the future, and this is the feeling I havent felt since 9-11 (my birthday, incidentally)

I didn't support the invation, but it pains me so much to see fellow americans die, and watch 90-sec funeral segments on the local news with weeping family members.

I'm also worried about more terror attacks on U.S. soil. Did all of those people in Madrid, Bali, etc have to die to the sounds of laughter from muslim extremists?

I'm just tired of all the death and hateful rhetoric from both sides...And the only thing leaders from both sides ever talk about is that they're going to bring more death and destruction.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:14 AM
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1. Humanity needs to evolve...
...and reject fundamentalism. Until we do so, the innocents will continue to be caught in the crossfire.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:32 AM
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6. Agreed.
This is evolution at work. Those smart enough to avoid conflict will reproduce.
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Hemprus Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:00 PM
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18. it seems
that in this world all you see is death in one form or another. We kill people, animals, plants, trees, and hope. Its like we need to have some kind of event that would pull the world together, like in the movie 2010. But that is fantasy, in the real world greed and coruption will rule and all I can do as an individual is try to make the world around me alittle better. :grouphug:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:27 PM
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20. Hi Hemprus!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Hemprus Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:14 PM
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22. Thanks for the welcome..
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 08:14 PM by Hemprus
just wanted to get in on the action. See you August29th!
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:15 AM
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2. * Stirred up a hornet's nest -
The best we can do is vote him out and apologize to all the people we've alienated.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:16 AM
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3. If it pains you so much to see fellow americans die
work to bring them home from the imperialistic quagmire.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:29 AM
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4. I've gone
to march in 2 antiwar marches in D.C....everyone i know, i've told them how screwed up the entire situation is...short of running for president, i'm not sure of what else to do
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:41 AM
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12. Get even more active
write to the media and your reps, every week at least. This is something the right wing does very well while the left often shrugs and says "it won't help". Well, it won't hurt, either. At least you'll feel like you've done what you can.

BTW- I didn't sleep last night because of the same sick feeling in my stomach. I'm also worried that BushCo has a lock on the November elections, given that BBV is still in place. :-(
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:57 AM
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17. WOW! Great resource, Calimary!
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:41 AM
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13. Good job.
Work where you are, every day to inform and educate to overcome the corporate globalist propaganda.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:30 AM
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5. how right you are . . .
"I'm just tired of all the death and hateful rhetoric from both sides" . . .

don't you think it's time for our "leaders" to start talking in terms of peace and reconciliation? . . . to trying to achieve some level of understanding of the grievances of those who hate us? . . . rather than always assuming that they're right and everyone else is wrong? . . . I certainly do . . . and it's the kind of language I'd like to see our candidate start using during this campaign . . . but I'm not holding my breath . . .
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:34 AM
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7. Dulce bellum inexpertis
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:38 AM
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10. White trash translation, please?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:39 AM
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11. War is sweet to those who have not experienced it
-- Erasmus
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:30 PM
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21. thanks!
similarly:

War is at best barbarism...its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have never fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.

- William Tecumseh Sherman
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:51 PM
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27. Non carborundum illegitimus.
(I know it's somewhat piggy Latin, but...)
;-)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:37 AM
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8. I do too.
I have a really, really bad feeling about this.

I think our country is in a real...big...shitload of trouble. I think we're going to get hit really hard, really soon.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:38 AM
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9. "When will they ever learn"?
Another generation's tragic mistake
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:52 AM
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15. Hey, my birthday too.
Boy do I get the eyes when ever anyone asks for my birthdate. They look at me with such pity, then tell me that no one should forget my birthday. We can change most everything about ourselves, but not our birthdays.

I worry about it also, because I feel they are going destroy all mankind eventually.
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Hemprus Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:57 AM
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16. It seems
that in this world all you see is death in one form or another. We kill people, animals, plants, trees, and hope. Its like we need to have some kind of event that would pull the world together, like in the movie 2010. But that is fantasy, in the real world greed and coruption will rule and all I can do as an individual is try to make the world around me alittle better.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:08 PM
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19. Regardless of Opinions, We need to pray
It looks like Iraq is going to get much worse before it gets better. Now we have both Sunnis and Shiites hating us.

We all need to pray for the protection of all the innocent people, including U.S. foot-soldiers who are stuck in a desert just doing what they are ordered.
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LEW Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:28 PM
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23. I feel sick to my stomach also
And to just hear General McCaffrey say on MSNBC that to see Rummy trivialize this insurgance is very dangerous, makes me more nervous. He has always been a supporter of the war and is now sounding the warning bells.

Shrub will probably wait and wait, as he already has, to really tackle this problem. This has been one of the most frustrating aspects of this admin, all issues seem to spiral way out of control before they will do anything!!!
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EDT Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:55 PM
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24. Neverending- there'll always be Muslim/Christian/Jewish extremists


I just finished a History book on the Crusades that sheds light in my mind on how long this has been going on.

Way back in the 1st Crusade, by the time the Christians got to the Holy land, more moderate Muslims had already overthrown the radical Muslims that were used as a driving reason by Pope Urban the 2nd to rally Christians to start marching years before. Though these Muslims promised everyone free access to all Christian holy sites, the Christians decided to decimate them anyways. And to throw the Jews in, some Christians saw it justifiable to fund their march by deliberately looting and butchering Jewish settlements in Rhineland along the way.

It's not going to end, it just rises and ebbs over time.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:31 PM
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25. You say you're "tired of all the death and hateful...
...rhetoric from both sides", but your post contained the same level of commentary. You wrote the following comment: "Did all of those people in Madrid, Bali, etc have to die to the sounds of laughter from muslim extremists?" Here are my concerns with that kind of comment:

1) I doubt very, very seriously that any of the victims in the countries you mentioned heard laughter coming from anyone before they died.

2) How do you know the perpetrators were "Muslim extremists"? Is it because you read that in the government-controlled newspapers and/or heard it being said on TV or radio? If the FBI cannot find ANY evidence to connect the nineteen alleged 911 hijackers with Al Qaeda and/or Osama Bin Laden, how could any other police force connect their bombings to those same groups?

3) If they were Muslims, why must they be "extremists"?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:43 PM
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26. i thought extremist groups
took credit for both the bombings...correct me if i'm wrong
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