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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:18 AM
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Mothers and fathers of GIs in Iraq should not be surprised whenever....
more of their loved ones are killed nd maimed. Violence begets violence indeed. Our actions in the last couple of days do not translate into fewer American deaths but, to the contrary, more unnecessary casualties. For every action there is a like reaction. It is as certain as a law of physics. More of our troops are going to die. That is what we are accepting when we accept the policy that we have invoked and carried out in the last few days.

Do not deceive yourselves into believing that we are like Rambo and our enemies will lay down their arms and surrender just like they do in the movies. Whenever they lose a loved one, and they have lost more than us, their resistance is only strengthened. That is the reality on the ground, in the blood, in the mangled bodies, in the hatred of our actions. Let us not feign surprise when more of our young people are butchered in that far off land.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:39 AM
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1. And the Bushies and
their media whores are not allowing us to see the blood and gore and mangled bodies and death and destruction our troops are enduring over there, they're still sanitizing and sugarcoating everything because they know damn well what would happen if the general public actually saw the reality of what's going on over there.

And as the mother of an almost-13-year-old son, my only child, I will live in a dirt hovel in Mexico before I'll allow these people to get their hands on my son to use him as cannon fodder for their political games and to further their political, imperial, and economic ambitions.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:51 AM
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3. THANK YOU!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:27 PM
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17. Perhaps the three of us can get an apartment in Montreal?
I know some folks up there. :shrug:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:38 PM
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19. You know, Dean, that's
beginning to look more and more attractive with each passing day. Maybe it's time we seriously thought about it!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 07:12 PM
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21. Lisa, if it ever comes time for you to fight Uncle Sam to keep Chris...
...from being drafted, I'll be fighting right by your side!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:05 AM
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4. While true, let's show sensitivity
I have friends that have sons and daughters over there. Your assessment is correct.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:08 AM
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5. That's fine, and I agree.
However, pleas for sensitivity in other areas are not respected here at DU, so.....

It's making it increasingly difficult to be "sensitive" in only approved areas.

How 'bout we all just show caring for one another, in all ways? Wouldn't that be unique?

Kanary
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:13 AM
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6. I'll try my best
Sad and trying times though, isn't it?
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:15 AM
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8. Indeed
Many have given up, and I'm ready to follow suit.

I really don't wish to be part of this planet anymore. It's all just too much.

Kanary
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:37 PM
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18. My ex-boyfriend's son,
his only child, is a Marine over there and he's just going totally crazy right now (don't worry, Dean, we're just friends who talk once in awhile now, nothing else!).

Our neighbor's son is there and she's going nuts. Both of them are against the war, were from the beginning, and want their sons home NOW!!!! They're going through hell, as I imagine every other soldier's family is. And they understand exactly what the poster is saying.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:13 AM
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7. I don't entirely agree...
Mothers and fathers of GIs in Iraq should not be surprised whenever....
more of their loved ones are killed and maimed.


I sort of agree with you, but remember also that many of those GIs went into the military never expecting to fight in a war. They did expect some sort of job training and maybe a bit of focus in their lives. In some cases, the military offered them one of the few opportunities to have a better life than they would have had otherwise.

For those who enlisted because they are the "gung ho" types... those who were encouraged by their parents to "become a real man, I would hope they are having some serious second thoughts. But for those who simply hoped for the opportunities that they knew they'd never be able to access in any other way... for them I hope their parents will begin to speak out for more educational and training opportunities, maybe government-sponsored or maybe privately-sponsored, so that military service is not the only option for talented, but probably lower income young men and women.

Plus, I think that since we have parents of GIs here on the DU boards, we probably should keep our words soft and sweet, lest we later have to eat them. K?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:20 AM
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9. War isn't pretty, is it ?
But the asshole in the White House aims to kill more of the sons and daughters - not less. That is the reality of what is going on in Iraq at this very moment. It's not a movie where the good guy always wins and rides off with the girl. The Bush supporters and the supporters of this war need to slap themselves out of their delusional state.
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:30 AM
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10. I'm afraid that the vast majority of Bush's supporters will never snap out
of it but that doesn't mean we should give up. We must have continued resistance to the Bush agenda. To save our country and hundreds of fine young men and women, to promise hope to those laid off and long term unemployed, wemust rid ourselves of Bush and his people, regard;ess of what it takes.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:48 AM
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13. No, they didn't expect to be called to fight.
BUT...they did expect that, in the event they did get the call, it would be for something worthwhile, not Bush's Meaningless War of Caprice.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:50 AM
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14. Very true.
And the response when someone says 'well, they volunteered'..They didn't volunteer for crusades and lies. They vounteered to defend this nation.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:39 PM
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20. They sure didn't volunteer
to safeguard and spill their blood for Halliburton and Big Oil, and to avenge Shrub's Poppy!
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:41 AM
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11. one other salient point
A muslim views death in the battlefield as a form of martyrdom and honor and, whether right or wrong, is willing to do die for his beliefs. We are not - we are only gung ho and ready to "kick butt" (what a vile sentence) when we are winning. However, when reality sets in....
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:42 AM
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12. Yes. The Muslim gets 70 virgins....our troops get a college education
Promises...promises....
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:57 AM
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15. We're not that different...
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 11:58 AM by LeahMira
A muslim views death in the battlefield as a form of martyrdom and honor and, whether right or wrong, is willing to do die for his beliefs. We are not - we are only gung ho and ready to "kick butt" (what a vile sentence) when we are winning.

Well, some who are in the military feel that it's an honor to die for the country. Their mindset isn't rooted so much in religious beliefs as a rule, but their allegiance to the country and "duty" is similar in many ways. I also wonder if winning is pivotal, because there are still some Vietnam vets out there who believe that we could have and should have won that war, and they are angry at the protesters they feel chipped away at the nation's resolve. I think you will find them over at the FReeper boards, wishing in print that we would simply "nuke Iraq" and be done with it.

I imagine that most of us here would be willing to defend the country if we believed that it was attacked without cause. I think most of us simply don't buy into the idea of American "entitlement."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:14 PM
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16. I feel the need to clarify some sentiments that may be misinterpreted
This thread was addressed to those that have sons and daughters and other loved ones over in Iraq but continue to support George W Bush and the War in Iraq. I know that we have parents and kinfolk here on DU of GIs in Iraq but they are not supportive of Bush or his policies. Our thoughts and prayers are with them.

However, for those parents that continue to support this madness, they should be aware of the reality of war and the manner in which Bush has just increased the hostilities toward their loved ones. It is all fine and dandy to wave the flag and be patriotic but there are innocents involved also.
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