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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:35 AM
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Cheney's heart
I guess this is for medical people out there. O.K, we all know Cheney has a "bad heart", but I am reading John Dean's book, and I am struck by something. (First of all, it's incredible, so RUN out and get this book!) Cheney just doesn't have a "heart condition" this guy is almost ready for hospice. I am a coronary care nurse, so I take care of guys like him every day. First of all, he admits to at least 4 MI's, but probably more since he is so secretive. He had bypass 20 years ago, and thats about as long as they last. In most cases he would have another, but there is not enough viable heart left to bypass. He would die on the table, as they say, and doctors would refuse surgery. He has CHF and an EF so low, they had to place an ICD (meaning his heart is so stretched out and flabby from the heart attacks, he is at risk for fatal fibrillation.) He had a stent placed after another MI in 2000,so his grafts are already plugging up again. This guy is on borrowed time, and this is just based on what medical conditions he admits to. It's worse if he is diabetic, or has kidney problems or something else in the mix. I think the reason no one ever sees him is because #1) he is on oxygen #2) or on intermittent IV dopamine or natracor drips, we do that in end stage heart failure. He probably pops nitros like candy, and his sex life would be non-existent. (and Viagra would kill him.) As secretive as they are, I would not be surprised if he is nursed round the clock and they drag him out in front the cameras every now and then in very controlled situations. I guess my point is, the SOB is much sicker than they want us to believe.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:38 AM
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1. The SOB is much sicker than they want us to believe.
Psychologically.

Plus, his heart sucks.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:38 AM
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2. If you have friends in the media...
discuss this with them.

Compile additional material that they can review for themselves and make the resources available for others to review as well.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:38 AM
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3. i had that thought myself
honestly, i dont know how his heart even works, with all that has been done, and him keeping such a plump appearance, combined with the stress of running the country, i'm suprised he hasent just given out yet
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:42 AM
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4. i hate to be ignorant
but what do all the acronyms mean?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:58 AM
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14. Here are some.
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 01:00 AM by Mayberry Machiavelli
MI = Myocardial Infarction = "Heart attack" (where some of the heart muscle dies from lack of blood supply)

EF = Ejection Fraction (What percentage of the blood in your heart is squeezed out with each beat. Normal healthy person should empty about 75% of the volume each time, below 50% is abnormally low.) As one of the posters indicated, it is possible for some even with really low EF like 15% to "recover" some function as that poster did.

CHF = Congestive Heart Failure = a chronic ailment caused by impaired pumping function of the heart leading to such problems as shortness of breath, swelling in the legs/fluid retention, etc.

ICD or AICD = Automatic Implanted Cardiac Defibrillator (Cheney has one of these) = a sophisticated device implanted in those at high risk of cardiac arrest. The device continually senses the heart's rhythm. If the rhythm decays into a life threatening rhythm, the device will deliver an electrical charge to shock the heart back into the normal rhythm.

Usually AICD's are placed in people who have severely impaired cardiac function due to heart attacks etc. The impaired function causes the heart to be dilated and flabby, increasing the risk of deadly rhythm disturbances. Sometimes people can have other predispositions to rhythm disturbances for other reasons necessitating an AICD.

Yes, Cheney's health is for shit. You can see now why there has never been any issue of his running for President, it would be strictly out of the question since he could pretty much check out with a rhythm disturbance at any time. I would've thought his health would have been too much of a liability to be Vice Pres too.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:04 AM
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16. What worries me is that he must be on drugs like
I can't even imagine. I only have to take a beta blocker and an ACE inhibitor because I have gotten much better since diagnosis. But damn! Beta blockers really zap me. And he MUST be on digoxin, lasix, and a variety of other things. He's gotta be half looped most of the time.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:42 AM
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5. I totally agree.
I wouldn't doubt that he has an entire mini hospital in his residence right now. The occasions when he's out of sight for awhile are undoubtedly when he's recovering enough for the few times he's actually in public.

My question is why in hell would a person like that take a job like this? When you're one step away from taking a dirt nap why not enjoy your fortune and kick back?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:48 AM
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8. To make Denny Hastert happy?
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 12:48 AM by aquart
Well, it's all I can think of.

Do I want this news to get out? Do I want Cheney looking pitiful or having to step down? Who would they put in his place?

I just don't want a Veep who looks viable after impeachment.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:51 AM
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10. Rudy
is the one that comes to mind. Or Ridge.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:12 AM
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38. Sharks have to keep moving or else they die...
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:44 AM
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6. Does the book say his EF?
I have CHF--from a virus--that I developed a year and a half ago. When I was diagnosed, my EF was only 10-15% and they thought I needed a transplant; thankfully, it's now 40%, which is still not good for a 28 year old, but dang. Dick makes me feel good about my heart.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:07 AM
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18. Virus and Heart

Yup, that's bad. Be sure to take antibiotics before any dental
work. Turns out the veins in your lower jaw are directly connected
to your heart so bacteria have a direct flow to the heart.

I have both arrythmia caused by Wolfe-Parkinson-White Syndrome (WPW)
and a mitral valve prolaspe. The WPW has been (mostly) corrected
by surgery, but the prolaspe is still a problem. I have to be
very careful with my heart.

Early in the Bush Admin, I wondered what would happen if Bush died
accidently, Cheney (bad heart), Hastert? (Yuck), then it was Strom
and then Colin Powell... who I thought was the only reasonable person
in the admin (I no longer believe that).

I kinda believed that Cheney was Bush's insurance against assasins.

I think Cheney will resign after the election and a new Veep will
be selected (Ashcroft?)
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:46 AM
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7. Cheney is that guy from "Hellboy"......
filled with sand instead of blood! He has no heart. EOM!
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:50 AM
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9. Guys like him never die
Unless someone drives a stake through his pacemaker.

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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:52 AM
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11. Cryonics
He wants a high end Cryo job. Cost millions.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:54 AM
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12. I thought he went to fundraising dinners and recently traveled throughout
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 12:55 AM by Dover
Asia/Europe. I don't know how much of his time he actually spends at these very public events because I haven't seen any written accounts. Surely the press or someone would notice if he seemed particularly weak...or something about this would leak out somewhere somehow.

At any rate, if he IS that weak then I wouldn't expect him to be on the Republican ticket. And it might even help the Republican ticket if he weren't on it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:24 AM
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25. Cheney will NEVER drop off the ticket - voluntarily
This idea recurs and it is absurd. Cheney IS the administration. He is not just your shadow president. He is the whole show. He assumed the helm as the PNAC rep and he won't let go until his mechanical heart stops cold. Stop dreaming.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:55 AM
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33. Well actually my dream is that his mechanical heart DOES stop cold.
But if public appearances become impossible then perhaps he'll handpick a successor and step aside...while still holding onto the puppet strings from behind the curtain.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:57 AM
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13. Does Dean's book delineate all of this?
I haven't gotten to this book yet. Some old Watergate scars and I didn't want to help him make money. Too many other good books to read right now. But I like what I've been hearing from and about Dean (John and Howard).

If he gets into this kind of detail into Cheney's health, I'll get it tomorrow.
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:04 AM
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17. Very interesting..
it would explain a lot...except for the fact (and I'm serious here) that it seems like if someone was close to death they'd try to be a better person and this guys waging war on the world..go figure.
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