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lichenorleaveit Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:11 PM
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CNN just posted a big Bush lead in a Kerry / Bush poll
Bush: 56
Kerry: 47

Did the Clarke Gambit fall on its face?
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:12 PM
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1. Cool - 103% will be voting!
Diebold Rocks!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:14 PM
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4. ROFLMAO!
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 05:16 PM by Rex
Bliss must be not being able to count above 100!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:21 PM
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16. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
QUIT IT!!!!!

*grabbing stomach*
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:13 PM
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2. I think it was freeped...
probably was freeped...
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:16 PM
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7. What I heard them say is they thought the negative * ads had
some effect and Kerry's negatives have gone up.

Everybody keeps intermixing the negative adds and the Clarke bombshells and I don't think it has all shaken out yet.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:13 PM
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3. There is no way in hell Bush approaches 55% in any accurate poll
nm
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Alex146 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:14 PM
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5. Polls=crap
CNN= lying cumbags

Just a little something to keep in mind.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:15 PM
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6. The post is WRONG
I saw the poll results. It's the latest CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll. The correct numbers are: Bush 51 Kerry 47.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:17 PM
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11. exactly - within margin of error to I believe
but one poll never matters

and let's not forget all the polls showed Bush winning the pop. vote in 2000, and look at what happened.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:29 PM
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23. Not to mention that national polls are really not all that important
since as we are all now painfully aware, you can get a majority and still lose the electoral college. What really counts are the polls in the battleground states.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:18 PM
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12. Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them
What a GREAT BOOK! True, too.

I love that book. It accurately describes the unAmerican class of Totalitarian Bootlickers that can be found everywhere these days.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:16 PM
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8. Rasmussen and Pew tell a different story
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:24 PM
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19.  Gallup gets a different answer than today's Pew Research Kerry lead
Gallup gets a different answer than today's Pew Research Kerry lead

It is curious.

The Pew poll released Monday (today) finds American voters still consider Bush far stronger than Democratic rival John Kerry in defending the country against terrorism (but less so than before), and while Kerry has lost ground on domestic issues after the Bush ads, the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press still has 47 percent for Kerry and 46 percent for Bush. When independent Ralph Nader is in the mix, the two remain tied, while Nader gets 6 percent.

And the ket item is that swing voters who before Clarke's allegations were made public were over 75% yes as to Bush "strong on handling terrorism" are now just over 50% saying Bush is stronger on terrorism.

The ads have hurt Kerry on jobs, with the Kerry advantage over Bush of almost 20 points in the Pew poll in mid-March now down to eight points, 45-37, in the new survey, and likewise on healthcare Kerry's advantage over Bush shrank from 28 points to 13 points.

But this is a "vacation" result - the lower vacation "profile" really has not been made up by the move-on ads.





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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:16 PM
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9. gambit?
the clark gambit? did it fall on its face?

are you suggesting that patriot richard clark coming out and testifying against the awol chimp was a gambit? a calculated move of some sort?

have you not been paying attention? the guy is a republican. ain't no gambit about it.

also, i find it hard to believe cnn would cite numbers in a poll that add up to more than 100% unless it was a typo.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:18 PM
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13. No one is undecided this many months before the election
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 05:19 PM by pbl
Wow! That's amazing.

On Edit:

Welcome to DU-- enjoy your stay. :eyes:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:18 PM
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14. Before you believe another word on CNN.....
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terisel Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:21 PM
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17. Very interesting-as rumsfeld once said-we will lie to you. n/t
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terisel Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:18 PM
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15. Gallup
Are they still using their intensity formula for polling as they did in 2000 ?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:25 PM
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20. What is that, if you don't mind me asking?
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:24 PM
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18. Lichenorleaveit,
Like him or leave it?

Your math skills match Bush's reading and speaking skills.

103% are voting?
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:26 PM
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21. relax...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:27 PM
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22. What I find interesting is that they cannot keep Clarke's book
on the shelves.

Gallop also said that bush would win the 2000 election by 5 to 10%

There poll is not matching the others

The only one I have confidence in is Zogby
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:29 PM
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24. What gambit?
The correct poll numbers from the recent CNN/Gallup poll are

Bush 52%
Kerry 47%

At this stage in the game, I'm not too worried. Bush has gone intensely negative early, and there has been relatively little response from the Kerry camp for the last two weeks. Instead, the Bushistas have been smacked again and again by Richard Clarke, who - as far as I know - is not affiliated with the Kerry campaign in any way, and thus cannot be thought to be involved in a gambit on its behalf.

The poll numbers, in fact, have to be read as extremely worrisome for Bush, since his extensive ad buys have done very little to erode Kerry's support, and done very little to increase his own, despite the fact that Kerry has not been answering them over the previous two week period. Furthermore, Bush continues to lose ground in Ohio, which he will surely need to make his electroral college minimum and - in the most striking blow of the past two weeks - Bush's only imaginably successful issue (the war on terror) has exploded in his face: he can never again bring it up without a blizzard of controversy, conjecture, and suspicion.

If we were being honest, we would have to say that these poll numbers are devastating for Bush, who could apparently barely best even a non-competing Kerry, despite a massive expenditure on negative ads. Bush will not be able to sustain the negativity through the summer without reaching a saturation point and backlash. It looks tight for Governor Bush. I still pick him to win the election by a very slight margin (300,000 votes, perhaps), but it's by no means a done deal.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:32 PM
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25. it's only 51-47 not 56 USATODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/2004-03-29-poll_x.htm

WASHINGTON — President Bush's credibility rating is down since his former counterterrorism chief went public last week with accusations that Bush minimized the al-Qaeda threat to focus on getting rid of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll.
The Bush administration did not do all it could to prevent the attacks, 54% say, and 53% say the White House is covering up something about its handling of intelligence before Sept. 11.

Still, 67% say the administration should not have been expected to prevent the tragedy. But Americans' doubts have not meant greater reluctance to return Bush to office.

In a two-way matchup, Bush leads Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic candidate, 51%-47%, which is a 7 percentage-point gain in three weeks for Bush and a 5-point drop for Kerry. Three weeks ago, when Kerry was coming off a string of primary victories, Bush trailed him by 6 points.
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