Do you consider right-wing Christian Bush supporters Pharisees?

[truizm]

If so, why?

[DenverDem]

1. Absolutely.

Because they are judgementalists and are obsessed with making a big social show of their self righteousness.

Completely anti-Christian.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Agreed on the why of it for the most part

but there are many $hrub supporters who honestly believe he is a good and Godly man who aren't making a social show of their feelings so much as just being vocal about feeling justified in their position. (In the same way that some of us are really vocal about the folks we support. Doesn't make us Pharisees, just that we feel good about folks we support doing well.)

http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

[tlewis]

22. But...

The main difference between us and them is that they're wrong.

[rooboy]

2. Absolutely... reasons as per DenverDem's. n/t

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. I prefer the term "whited sepulchre"

[beanball]

23. St Paul spoke

of a white washed wall in the acts of the apostles.They the republicans look good on the out side but their hearts are evil full of deceit,Bush is a white washed wall in my opinion.

[Guava Jelly]

5. I see them as Dinosaurs

Actually as just backwords assed Sheep Worshipping a Cloud guy that never existed...I mean they believe a freaken snake talked to Adam and eve came from a Rib...EVOLVE FOR CHRIST SAKE

[ithacan]

6. click and learn

http://www.TheocracyWatch.org/

[Lefty48197]

7. They're very truculent too

those bastards

[DieboldMustDie]

8. Televangelists are today's "money changers in the Temple"

In general, Bush & his supporters remind me much more of JC's enemies than of JC Himself. :evilgrin:

[markus]

9. No, I consider the Fascists

These are the same people the Greatest Generation fought and died to rid the world, and we're not going to let them win this time, either.

[Dogmudgeon]

10. They are also "Neo-Meso-Pagan" Christians

Mesopaganism is occultism scholar Isaac Bonewitz' term for the religion of the violent, highly superstitious, mainly Indo-European pagans who dominated Europe before Christianity.

Mesopagans believed in blood sacrifices, strict religious laws, and eternal punishment for lack of propitiation (ass-kissing) toward one's deity (of which they had several). Objects could be holy, especially written language, which was treated as being infused with magic. Books, especially, were objects of veneration, as they were rare, and few Europeans knew Latin at the time.

They believed that demons could just walk right in and posess a person, who then became the eternal property and slave of the demon. And that often, things like music, dance, sexuality, drink, drugs, and loss of social acceptance could make a person a target for demons.

As a result, most of the pre-Christian people of Europe were kept in a constant state of fear and obedience to their psychpathic gods. And when the Gospel finally was spread to Europe, the people happily rejected the old gods.

(No, it wasn't a total and complete conversion, but it does explain how easy it was for pre-institutionalized Christianity to evangelize.)

Does the description of the Mesopagan religion sound familiar?

--bkl

[DenverDem]

19. Exactly.

The romans wrote Jesus out of the Bible at the Council of Nicea. Then the spiritually emasculated romanized theology wrapped itself around mesopaganity, acquiring its holy days and much of its mythology. The xian psychos of today are fundamentalist neo-Mesopagans. The worst of all possible theological worlds.

[seabeyond]

11. just watched history of kkk and american nazi

same thing going on again, with the same group of people. we have done this before in history, time to do it again, knock these people down

[billybob537]

15. Isn't that something

The same holier than thou confused christians were the backbone of the KKK.

[CBHagman]

12. It depends on the individual

Frankly, I think many, many people in the U.S. simply regard anything FAMILIAR as acceptable and in line with their Christian beliefs. It's rooted more in fear of change and an acceptance of a fantasy of how this country used to be.

For example, if you look at Christian Coalition voter guides, the focus is definitely on capitalism, not morality per se, although they do occasionally get their knickers in a twist over the NEA.

At any rate, I think many sincere Christians simply haven't taken the message of the Gospel all the way. They don't focus on the verses about the danger of avarice, the need to be non-judgmental and forgiving, etc., and focus instead on sexual morality, male headship (:puke:), and the like. I'll bet it's not that they never read the really radical passages in the Bible. It's just that they don't internalize them.

Shaking up their cultural approach and/or worldview just feels wrong, therefore they assume it's wrong. I went through this when I lived in Europe and suddenly had to confront different approaches to life and politics. It was akin to hearing that everything I'd been brought up with was wrong.

So I'm willing to give the individual followers the benefit of the doubt. I imagine my younger sister hears that Bush is a good Christian man and that he's strong on defense and education. It's all drivel, but she doesn't know that.

But as for the administration itself, yes, YES, I do see them as Pharisees, and the same goes for pundits like Larry Kudlow, who are very much consumed with the acquisition of money and power (and have a mind-boggling belief in their own righteousness). It must be lovely to always be at the head of the line for any kind of financial reward AND to never be wrong.

I curse the day when Bush was selected. It is an evil time.

[readmylips]

13. They are evil-mid-evil...

bunch of rich white suckers. The followers, bunch of dumb white trash.

[Nikia]

14. Yes

They care more about condemning people for things like abortion and homosexuality rather than the most important commandement about loving their neighbor (helping those in need including children). They feel overly righteous, condemning the common person, despite the fact that they are not perfect either.

[jsw_81]

16. I consider them to be completely insane

[tom_paine]

17. Yes. Because they stand for the opposite of what Jesus said in almost

all things:

"Cursed are the poor, the lazy leeches!"

"Blessed are the warmakers, 'cause they murder brown-skinned people not like us."

And so forth.

If Jesus was alive today, Ashcroft would throw his Black ass in Gitmo.

Hell, he might be there now, imprisoned with the other swarthy, "enemies of the Empire".



Didn't I see this dude with a hood on, earmuffs, and chained in a dog pen in Cuba?

[Dr Fate]

18. "Assholes" works for me. n/t

n/t

[sweetheart]

20. No, rather all americans

The pharisees are those who denied christ whilst he was alive.

Here is another christ figure who is alive in our time:
www.adidam.org

Who denies him while he is alive. The official media and the
religious orthodoxy. Who knows he's for real. The thousdands of
devotees who support him.

THis would make the pharasees much more than simply the fundy christain nutters round bush himself, but 99% of mainstream
america as well.

[0007]

21. All Pharisees have fat fingers and are assholes

Jerry Falwell comes to mind

[rustydog]

24. You cannot support Bush and be a true Christian.

You can call yourself one, that doesn't make you one.
Your ACTIONS will identify you as a christian or a pharisee.

Christians follow the word of God.

Thou shall not kill
Thou shall not bear false witness
Thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods

If these pseudo-Christians support Bush, they can't be true Christians because Bush refuses to follow God's laws and the teachings of his alleged personal savior, Jesus Christ.

If Christ returned tomorrow, Bush and his Christian fundamentalists would meet him with a cross, nails and hammer.

[Woodstock]

25. They are certainly like the hypocrites Jesus talked about

But in some ways worse.

I can't bring myself to call them Christians. They have perverted everything Jesus taught.

[ButterflyBlood]

26. yes

they represent everything Jesus taught against it. They'd be calling to crucify Him again if He returned.