BBV: Stage Is Set For A Californian Coup

[althecat]

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/hanging_chads_ca_style.html

HANGING CHADS: CALIFORNIA STYLE
A TvNewsLies.org ALERT
TO ANOTHER POTENTIAL ELECTION FRAUD!
March - 2004 Downloadable version: Click here.

It’s almost that time. Another presidential election is only months away and voters’ rights watchdogs are on the alert. They have vowed to monitor every polling place in Florida with unprecedented caution. This will not be a repeat of 2000. Hanging chads and off-center ballots are history, and Katherine Harris is otherwise occupied. And so, on Election Day 2004, thousands of observers will descend on the Sunshine State to make certain that Jeb Bush doesn’t pull off another presidential coup. Does that sound comforting? It shouldn’t.

This time around, there may be an even more serious problem. While the Florida scam remains fresh in our memories, something even more ominous seems to be brewing. There is a distinct possibility that the table is being set to make California the center of the 2004 election fraud!

Flashback: On the eve of the 2000 election, those conducting the George W. Bush campaign did something extraordinary: they claimed to KNOW that the reported Florida exit polls were incorrect. As other exit poll indications were being reported, Bush and his cohorts accepted the results without challenge as is the norm. But, when the Florida exit polls were announced, George Bush and his handlers confidently refuted the results as being wrong. For some reason, they singled out Florida as the only state in which poll results could not possibly signal a Gore victory. That alone should have raised an alarm. Was GOP intuition superior to that of all other humans that day, or did the party honchos know something about the Florida election that the exit pollsters did not? The answer soon became clear. Today we can look back and see that the fix was in.

Now, more than three years after the Florida fiasco, and there is a real possibility that the coming Florida election will be an honest one. Democrats have a fair and square chance to compete in the state for a strange reason. It won’t be because anyone has made an effort to clean up the Florida election flaws. It won’t be because of a Congress concerned with election machines with no paper trail. It won’t be because the manufacturer of the election machines is being stopped from fulfilling his promise to deliver the election to George Bush.

John Kerry has a chance to win the state because on Election Day 2004, EVERYONE WILL BE WATCHING FLORIDA! Now, does that sound comforting? It still shouldn’t – because the next coup may very well take place in the state of California!

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(Not sure if this is a dupe...)

[DianeG5385]

1. Over my dead body!!!

I'll do my best to get every Calif. demo to the polls

[Andy_Stephenson]

4. BBV baby...no matter how many you get to the polls

BBV is gonna get ya.

[maggrwaggr]

2. I think they had a nice dress rehearsal with Ahnold

I sure didn't see that much support for him, and I live here. Then he won by 850,000 votes? With supposedly 900,000 votes "lost"?

[fearnobush]

3. Absentee please.

[Andy_Stephenson]

5. Don't be so certain.

if you vote absentee...take it to a polling station anywhere in your county anad drop it in yourself.

[grannylib]

19. And READ the directions...remember all the absentee votes for Gore that

got rejected? The voters marked the ballot for Gore, then in the space that is designed for write-in candidates, it said "Write in the name of your candidate here." So people ALSO wrote in Gore's name, thinking it was a validation of some sort, to verify which box they had checked above or whatever, and they really invalidated their entire ballot since you cannot vote more than once on the same ballot for the same office.
If I remember correctly, over 3,000 Gore absentee ballots were rejected for that reason in Florida, which was more than enough to win him the electoral votes and the White House. I realize that rules are rules and that anyone voting "twice" for Chimpy would have his/her ballot similarly rejected; just pointing out that, as we all know, no matter HOW you counted the vote, Bush did NOT win the 2000 election, and NO, GODDAMMIT, I AM NOT GOING TO GET OVER IT

[Kazak]

6. Election fraud...

should be aggresively pursued and prosecuted. A spectacle should be made of those who would willingly undermine Democracy.

[mopinko]

10. tar, feathers

and a tall tree.

[leesa]

15. Should be, but it has been completely overlooked in 2000, 2002 and

in the Arnold California screwin'

[IronLionZion]

7. There's no way in hell California can go Repub

It's so Democratic. If it does, then everyone will know that they cheated.

[veracity]

8. Absentee ballots are the answer....

Someone in Calif who read this suggested that everyone vote with an absentee ballot...leaving a clear paper trail. Not a bad thought. Someone should start the ball rolling for everyone to refuse to use any electronic machine that has no printer.

[Crachet2004]

9. Well of course we all suspected some nastiness like this when...

they went to all the trouble of installing Arnold. If we lose California-I shudder at the thought.

Logically, I have to wonder if they have the guts to even try such a thing. Who would believe that California would ever go for Bush? Not me. I think it would be one step too far over the line on the part of Bushco.


But then, he's already stolen one.

[RedEagle]

11. Support the Legislation mandating Paper ballots for November

It was introduced by a Dem and GOP.

Then audit the heck out of everything.

[Andy_Stephenson]

12. You got a link to that?

I would love to see it.

[ParanoidPat]

17. Here you go Andy.....

.....From The Akron Beacon Journal:evilgrin:

Posted on Sat, Mar. 13, 2004

Calif. officials urge delaying use of e-votes

Lawmakers cite security snags in primary, seek decertification

By Erika D. Smith, Beacon Journal staff writer

Ohio legislators trying to delay the use of electronic voting machines got some company this week when two California senators asked their state to do the same.

Sens. Don Perata, an Oakland Democrat, and Ross Johnson, an Irvine Republican, sent a letter to California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley asking that the machines not be used in the November election. They also warned they're ready to push through emergency legislation to force decertification of the machines.

Fourteen counties in California used touch-screen machines on March 2, including some made by Green-based Diebold Inc. Although most counties had no problems, some of the most populous -- Orange, Alameda and San Diego -- counties experienced confusion that sullied election day and sent ripples of outrage around the state.

Problems with ``card encoders'' in Alameda and San Diego counties caused many Diebold machines to start up with an unfamiliar screen and low battery. Alameda had at least 200 problems affecting about 40 percent of the precincts in San Diego County.

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[RedEagle]

18. CA Senators ask for DRE decertification

Maybe this wasn't a bill, apologies, but still, good news-


Senators push to decertify computer voting systems

Associated Press
http://www.marinij.com/Stories/0,1413,234~26642~2013132,00.html

SACRAMENTO - Citing problems in last week's primary election, two leading senators yesterday asked the secretary of state to decertify the use of touch-screen voting systems for the upcoming November election.

"California has a lemon law which protects consumers if they buy an automobile that doesn't work. So far, electronic voting in California is a lemon. It needs to be fixed," said Sen. Ross Johnson, R-Irvine.

Electronic voting machines have been controversial almost since their invention. Some computer scientists say the systems leave elections vulnerable to hackers, while other critics say that because most electronic voting terminals do not produce paper records, there's no way to ensure accurate recounts.

There's also a concern that system problems in California could lead to voter confusion like that surrounding the 2000 presidential election in Florida.

-snip_

[Cleita]

14. California has always been traditionally a very right wing state.

Just because our dense population centers are mostly liberal doesn't speak for the rest of the state. The gerrymandering of districts in the last census stinks. One of our Democratic senators sniffs up RW ass all the time. Read the news. At least a few of our newspapers, not many, still aspire to journalistic standards.

[Cleita]

13. League of Women Voters challenge me.

I have left my phone number with one of your members, who is an organizer in my area various times to help out with elections. I have been told many time that, yes, they need volunteers but, (lady's name) is so busy, she will get back to me, which she never does.

Now I have to admit, it is hard for me to be active because I really do have my own problems, so I don't always pursue as good as I would if I didn't have those problems. Yet, the primary election came and went. No one called.

What's next?

[DaveSZ]

16. Here are my thoughts:

Everyone who has to vote on one of these BBV machines should vote by absentee ballot (paper ballot).

Also elderly people, many staunch FDR/Truman democrats, don't even know the first thing about computers.

How can we expect them to know how to use an electronic machine?

We should just give them all paper ballots.

The DNC really doesn't have its shit toegether on all this does it?

[rucky]

20. I predict Bush over Kerry by 5%

will be the exact margin. just like Arnold-to-Davis in nearly every county.

[RedEagle]

21. Watch the Polls on This Race

They will probably indicate only a few percentage points between Bush and Kerry, no matter what the real spread is. That makes a Bush win look within the margin of error for polls.

What we need is truly outside, independent polling, both before and during the election. Note the necessary convenience of doing away with exit polling.

VNS wasn't a stalwart, but they screwed up in Florida and therefore, had to go.

Besides observers at the polls, need credible exit polling.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. Florida is no guarantee to be honest

"On March 9, I voted in a relatively affluent area of Florida using a touch-screen machine. It failed to record my vote properly, but being a reasonably intelligent person, I made efforts to correct the problem. I failed.

I then called over an election official, who didn't begin to know the answer. He got his supervisor, who finally figured it out several minutes later.

The experience caused me to shudder, thinking of the election this November and the possibility of this happening to others less persistent or argumentative than I.

Why no paper trail? Is Glenda Hood, the Florida secretary of state, trying to out-Katherine-Harris Katherine Harris?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/17/opinion/L17VOTE.html?pagewanted=print&position=