Compare OKC bomb damage to WTC7...

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Why didn't the building implode conveniently like a three of the WTC towers did? Recall there were two totally differet styles of plane hit. One in the center, one right through the corner of the tower.

Shouldnt WTC7 have done something like this, rather than completely coming straight down? Like OKC, all the damage came on one side...



based on this photo of OKC, I would have expected to see WTC cave in in one part and leave most of the rest standing.

Getting three buildings to implode like controlled demolition without any careful effort is about as lucky as hijacking 4 planes at once.



The Interstate Bank Building fire consumed several floors but did not damage the steel superstructure.


WTC7




Edit: Took out the crap and left the interesting part.

Realize this is the wrong forum, move please.

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1. Aliens did it

to keep Clinton from exposing Area 51.

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2. Oh please - no "conspiracy" nonsense!

I think the point about WTC7 in the most interesting one.

I suspect a steel frame building does not come straight down very easily.

[Solon]

3. One problem with the 2 explosion theory.

The sound and glass shattered for blocks around the explosion. Unless the explosions were syncronized to within a second or two, people would have noticed.

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7. My theory

has as much evidence as yours does.

[tobius]

9. why do people want to kill osama b4 a trial? what do they want to hide?

If you watch the time sequence, you'll see that it happens like this:

- A plane hits tower #1, blowing a hole in it high up. The expected things then happen:

- The building stays up.  A reinforced concrete building is *extremely* strong.  Terrorists set off a large bomb *inside* that building without significant damage. ...

- The second plane hits the second tower, lower and moving faster.  It blows a bigger hole through it, showering debris on the street, but the building is clearly still standing and still looks quite solid.

- The second building begins burning, also from the impact point up.

- Perhaps a half hour later, the fire in the first building *goes out*.  It is still smouldering and letting off black smoke, but there is no flame.  ...

- The fire in the second building goes out.

- Then, later, the second building suddenly crumbles into dust, in a smooth wave running from the top of the building (above the burned part) down through all the stories at an equal speed.  The debris falls primarily inward.  The tower does not break off intact and collapse into other buildings. ... The crumbling comes from the top (above the  damage).  It moves at a uniform rate.  All of the structural members are destroyed in a smooth pattern, so there is no remaining skeleton.  The  damage is uniform, symmetric, and total.

In summary, it looks exactly like a demolition — because that's what it is.

- The first tower collapses in a similar demolition wave.

There's no doubt that the planes hit the building and did a lot of damage. But look at the footage — those buildings were *demolished*. To demolish a building, you don't need all that much explosive but it needs to be placed in the correct places (in direct contact with the structural members) and ignited in a smooth, timed sequence. ... http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm
The attacks against the WTC and the Pentagon were brought to us by the same group of people (though "human" may not be the correct term for them) who gave us the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing and the Oklahoma City Bombing.

There is evidence that the former was actually planned and directed, not by Arab terrorists (who were merely the operatives), but by the FBI.

[LoZoccolo]

4. You could almost feel something like this was going to happen.

I remember that period, fall of 1994 up until spring of 1995, and for some reason it seemed the militia movement was coming out of the woodwork. I'd see stuff from people who were into that on the Internet, even saw some infomercial for some New World Order-type conspiracy theory stuff on TV, then I saw the Michigan Militia ordering that some UN flag be taken down and chanting in front of some government building...so by the time this happened and I heard that it was a federal building (they are suspicious of the federal government), I was like, sounds like something they'd do.

So I'd believe the commonly accepted story - it even verified my own conspiracy theory I had about it nine years ago in a sense.

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5. Remember the conspiracy theoy of that time?

Black helicopters; tinfoil hats, anti-semetic rhetoric...

Then the same people go and support all the things they were opposed to under Clinton, ans long as they got to go use their guns on real people...

but WTC 7... Seeing this building makes me realize how strong a steel structure really is. It doesn't just flop down all at once. Pieces of it would fail and others would still stand.

Seeing this makes it hard to believe WTC7 was not an implosion - it came down so perfectly and cleanly all at once. The damage was from debris from the other two towers, but it would have been mosly against the exposed face. It would have ben un-uniform damage similar to OKC. What should have happened is the side facing the twoers should have caved in like OKC, but not the whole thing at once...

[Dogmudgeon]

6. A stab at it

First, the irregular shape of the damage doesn't necessarily mean that there was more than one explosion. Explosions are very chaotic events (duh, bkl!) and no blast is completely ideal. Also, the bomb was made of hand-mixed ANFO -- Ammonium Nitrate and Fuel Oil. Irregularities in the mix also shape the charge.

Second, while I can easily accept a LIHOP scenario, I can't easily accept a MIHOP scenario. There are too many levels of morality to get through. Although we like to think otherwise, people such as Cheney and Bush do have consciences. Looking the other way is much easier to justify to oneself than giving an order to kill 160 people -- or 3000.

WTC 7 may have collapsed because it burned for several hours. The Murrah building in OKC did not burn; ANFO is a concussive explosive, and jet fuel just burns. The falling of the main towers would also have produced a powerful local earthquake and could have weakened WTC 7. No one really knows, but no sinister ideas need be considered -- there are plenty of mundane ones.

Clinton's MO for bringing peace to the Middle East did not involve war -- he wanted everybody to be friends and do lots of business. This idea worked pretty well, up until the end of 2000, when the recent intifadeh began. Timothy McVeigh may have been a "useful idiot" to someone, but the feds never pursued the third guy, Mr. Swarthy. Since McVeigh was dispatched before 9/11/2001, we lost our chance to ask him about it.

Explosions, collapses -- and human irrationality -- can not be easily predicted. I don't rule out the possibility of conspiratorial meddling, but it doesn't seem too likely. McVeigh and company wanted to start a civil war against the government for ideological reasons. What they ended up doing was killing a lot of people -- including children in a daycare center -- who happened to be in a government building.

--bkl

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8. Fire schmire - ever light a sparkler?

what's left at the end? a piece of metal... it doesn't melt.

The diesel tanks would have ben localized and would not have produce an even distribution of fire throughout the whole structure, we are talking about a large building.

What OKC tells me is that the side facing the towers should have maybe slid off, but I don't see how it comes down like a Controlled Demolition with this localized damage.

It takes experts to do a clean demolition, it doesn't just happen by chance 3 times in a row with 3 completely different occurrences of damage.

one was a direct plane hit, one was through the corner of the building and out the other side, the third was falling debris against a single face of the building, as in the single face of damage in OKC.

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10. You overlook those SEC documents

Inside the lower floors of WTC was ALL the evidence to convict
most of the wall street banks of fraud during the dot com boom.
There was not a banker on the street that did not breathe a sigh
of relief when they used controlled demolition to take it down
the next day.

The last thing they wanted was that evidence to survive.