BBV - Florida result glitch

[harmonyguy]

Well here's one for Glenda Hood in Florida.

According to the results spreadsheet at enight.dos.state.fl.us, downloaded at 7:50PMcst Escambia County reported 4828 votes for Carol Moseley Braun with zero votes for any other candidate. The same spreadsheet downloaded at 9:20PMcst shows her total dropping to 333 votes with a plausable distribution of votes for other candidates. (Of course, these are *unofficial* results....)

An isolated case? Probably. A computer glitch? Maybe. Still doesn't explain why it happened though, does it? Where in the system did the glitch occur? How many other glitches were there?

Only once one looks into the isolated cases and the computer glitches does one find that electronic 'faith based' voting isn't as perfect as Ms. Hood would have us believe. All of her talk of Mr. Wexler and others '...doing a dis-service to the voters...' appears to be hollow rhetoric.

Perhaps she thinks that the voters can be easily HOOD-winked.

HG

[montanacowboy]

1. Boy, how about that witch

she was on Lou Dobbs last night and all she could do was to knock the democrats who are trying to bring legitimate complaints - she insisted everything in the louzy state of Florida was just hunky dory, we are ready, out supervisors are ready. blah blah blah A real katherine harris clone only 40 years older

[Andy_Stephenson]

5. I thought they were

the same age :shrug:

[ParanoidPat]

2. Nice catch HG!

Someone needs to ask her about that, preferably in front of an audience. :evilgrin:

Or a Grand Jury perhaps. :shrug: :)

[Andy_Stephenson]

7. I wonder if Glenda Hood

and Mischelle Townsend have the same PR firm? :shrug: I wonder how I could find out.

Anyone :shrug:

[BevHarris]

8. Heh heh heh.

you sneaky bastard, Andy. Could that be why their talking points are identical?

In fact, (hint hint) could it be that various counties are "represented" by people who are paid for by the vendors and in turn the vendors are calling their own investment in PR firms (who, remember, identify themselves as representing THE COUNTY) -- with the vendors saying this is part of their "public education" portion of the contract with the county and seeking REIMBURSEMENT UNDER HAVA MONIES?

Oh geez. What a racket. And, me being a PR person, why didn't I think of that? Yoo-hoo...Paranoid Pat...is this part of the RICO dance? Can nostamj include it in his new review?

Cough Cough. I think I have something stuck in my head now.

Bev

[Andy_Stephenson]

9. Hmmm...Vendors do the Black Box Shuffle

The officials are doing the RICO twist. When all along we thought the officials were shuffling.


:evilgrin:

"RICO...RICO Suave"

[ParanoidPat]

10. (Cough) R. Doug (Cough) Lewis (Cough cough)......,.

.....excuse me, (HHAAACCCKKKK) NASS (Choke) NASED (Gurgle) Secret teleconference of election systems vendors (Cough cough) ITA (gag) Shawn Southworth (HAAACK) HAVA Hearings (Snort) Election Center.com (Pffft) LWV (arrrghm) AAPD (Wheeze) R-I-C-O! (cough.....ahemmmm.......)

Did you say something Bev? :shrug: :evilgrin:

[Andy_Stephenson]

11. LOLOLOL

I am off to go speak...chat with y'all later.

[BevHarris]

12. Catch R. Doug Lewis doing the RICO twist in Vanity Fair:

He says, basically, don't blame me, don't look at me, it's not our fault, no one was helping us, and The Election Center has nothing to do with any of this any more.

hack-hack Except that R. Douggie, from what I've heard, plans to be getting a cushy position in the new HAVA bureaucratic setup.

Don't look here, he says.

Sorry, we're looking straight at you folks. Wait, here's a gray room with a metal table and a bright light shining in your eyes. What did you say, again?

[ParanoidPat]

13. I have a TRANSCRIPT right here.....

......if you need your memory jogged! :evilgrin:

Thank you Al Gore for 'inventing' the Internet! :)

And Thank YOU BEV AND ANDY, for knowing how to use it! :loveya:

Most fun I've had in years! :toast: I'm off to go pick up my copy of VF!

[leftchick]

24. I sent a letter to my county election supervisor and asked him

Just what The Election Center does since he is a member. I said it certainly appeared they were working to help out the vendors of E-Voting machines more than the voters. He has not answered me and I am not holding my breath.

[nostamj]

28. "Can nostamj include it in his new review?"

oops! i totally missed this.

sorry BBV kids, you'll have to live with The BBV Blues this time around....

[harmonyguy]

3. And another 'glitch' - Bay County

.... now recounting by hand !!
At least they have something to recount, and doing it by hand is the ONLY way to do it.

It'll be interesting to see what the cause actually was - improperly printed ballots or a software glitch.

Bay County uses ES&S Model 100 precinct scanner along with a Model 650 scanner for absentee ballots.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040310/NEWS/40310002/1060
** snip
That Florida Panhandle county suspended its count when U.S. Rep. Dick Gephardt - who dropped out of the race two months ago and polled about 1 percent elsewhere in the state - took a 2-to-1 lead over with almost two-thirds of the county's precincts tabulated.
** snip
County elections officials said the problem happened because coding on the ballots was printed incorrectly. A hand recount of the ballots was to resume Wednesday morning.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/8146414.htm
** snip
County elections officials believe the problem was caused by a computer software glitch in the optical scan machines that counted almost all of the 19,000 votes cast. On optical scan machines, voters use pencils to mark their ballots, which are then tabulated by a scanner. Bay officials were going to recount the ballots by hand.
** snip


HG

[harmonyguy]

4. How about this one in Texas - scanner/ballot printing trouble

First you print the ballots.....
- candidate Mike Warren's name is not on some ballots
- candidate Norman Terry's first name appears as "Norma" on some ballots
. snip

Then you REPRINT the ballots....
The technician concludes that a line underneath the ovals on the ballots was printed too close, causing the machine to count the line as a vote.
. snip

Then you REPRINT the ballots, AGAIN
....the bar code along the left side of the ballot doesn't extend far enough down the page to count all candidates or doesn't match up with corresponding ovals. On other ballots, officials in the county clerk's office say the paper quality is different.
. snip

http://athensreview.com/articles/2004/03/10/news/news14.txt

Then you say 'so much for technology' and you hand count the &%^$&^$ ballots, (which is what they should have done in the first place.)


HG

[Andy_Stephenson]

6. Diebold's just another word for

votes, we never loose....


Think Bobbie Gentry.

[ParanoidPat]

14. LOL!

:kick:

[UrbScotty]

15. Good one, HG! And welcomne to DU! (nt)

[ParanoidPat]

19. Harmonyguy may not be the most prolific of posters.....

.....but he's been around DU and BBV.org long enough to have been a valuable ally in the BBV fight. :evilgrin: :toast:

IIRC, he's not even an American, (Shame on the rest of my own countrymen who haven't done nearly as much!) and he's been helping our cause since last year.

Cheers HG! (Although I suspect you're just trying to help us keep Bush* from jumping off on your country! You French speaking, peace loving, surrender monkey sympathizers!) :hi: Thanks.

[harmonyguy]

20. Blush.

Ummmmm, Je suis tres rouge !
but
q'ues que se le 'surrender monkey'?


HG
(pssst - don't show this to my old high school french teacher. She'd have a fit about how little I remembered)

[ParanoidPat]

21. RE: "q'ues que se le 'surrender monkey'?"......

.....It's an American thing! Have some Freedom Fries! :evilgrin: :toast:

[harmonyguy]

16. Another scanner problem in Texas

Bexar County
Now, read the quotes below. Notice anything wacky about this?
The scanner was feeding back inaccurate information. They updated the files. (Is that anything like a last minute software change?)

"Officials say the problem was with a scanner designated to count the 3,000 mail in ballots for this election."

"They say the scanner was feeding back inaccurate information, so officials had to shut down the system and update the files."

""We ran them the first time. We ran them the second time, they were one vote, two votes off — just in about three different races," Elections Administrator Cliff Borofsky explains. "

http://news9sanantonio.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=9834


HG

[ParanoidPat]

17. Thanks HG! Keep posting these.....

.....I'm adding them to the list as fast as you're finding them! :evilgrin: :toast:

"No problems with the electronic voting" MY ASS! :mad:

[harmonyguy]

18. Thanks Pat!

One of these days, I'm gonna ask you for that list.


HG

[Andy_Stephenson]

23. Holy Shit!

I went to high School with Cliff...Well Well Well...that's a fine kettle of fish!

[ParanoidPat]

22. This just in from Slashdot.....

..... :( With over 100% of the voters reporting!
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Orange County: More E-Ballots Cast Than Voters |
| from the perfectly-normal-orange-county dept. |
| posted by timothy on Tuesday March 09, @20:02 (usa) |
| http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/10/0337257 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

Nofsck Ingcloo writes "Orange County, California has discovered the joys of
electronic voting. The story originated in the LA Times, which
<0>requires registration to view it. <1>Yahoo News has a copy here.
Problems occurred in races throughout the county. Among the symptoms of
the problem were turnouts exceeding 100%." Read on for more.

This story continues at:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/10/0337257

Discuss this story at:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=04/03/10/0337257

Links:
0. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-machines9mar09,1,5058076.story?coll=la-politics-pointers
1. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=2026&u=/latimests/20040309/ts_latimes/7000orangecountyvotersweregivenbadballots&printer=1

[harmonyguy]

25. Yet ANOTHER scanner problem in Texas....

At this rate Texas is gonna need their own thread !!
ZAPATA County

"The drama surrounding the already spirited race was amplified by election night woes in Zapata County, the southernmost county in the district. Some optical scan equipment broke down and 3,600 ballots had to be counted by hand — a task that took 13 hours to complete."
snip
"A faulty computer chip was blamed for the counting delay. "
snip
".... a dozen advanced-placement students from Zapata High School came to help."
snip

Hmmm..Just like at home - when technology fails, call in the high school kids to help. Maybe they're on to something here. Rather than using machines, maybe give high school kids an activity-based lesson in democracy, by having them count the voter verified paper ballots.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA11.01A.district28A.5389fc5e.html


HG

[UrbScotty]

27. Lest we forget the number 18181.

Remember that?

[donsu]

26. kick

nt