Enemies of Kerry/Democrats

[Dr Fate]

Enemies of Democrats- whether its Republicans, the Media, Greens or the "What-if?" left...

...I dont care who you are- if you attack Democrats, you attack ME.

Dont pretend you are "enlightening" me or doing me a favor-I am well aware of the implications.

If you ATTACK Democrats and our candidates like the GOP or the media does, then do not expect a congragulatory party or whatever-expect to be treated like an enemy.

If you choose to ally yourself with the GOP and the media in attacking us DEMS, then dont expect us to just smile and take it.

People on this board act like they are benevolent gad flies or guardian angels or somthing- and act like they are beyond reproach when they are attacking DEMOCRATS.

If you are working to tear down DEMS, then you are no different to me than the GOP or media- my enemies.

Again, join the wonderful company of the GOP & media in attacking us DEMS all you want- but dont expect a Christmas card or a welcome party.

[cprise]

1. But it's not all about you

Is it, Mr. Know-It-All?

[Dr Fate]

5. At least I do not imitate the GOP & media. n/t

n/t

[H2O Man]

23. There is a big difference

between an honest debate of issues, including any or all of Kerry's positions on issues, and much on the nonsense on here. There are people who are convinced that their position is enhanced and advanced by distorting the truth, twisting facts, and outright lying, in order to create divisions in the movement to remove bush from the White House. If we put Karl Rove's face with many of the posts on here, everyone would instantly recognize the lies for exactly what they are. More, there are some who imagine that they are the cutting edge of a militant socialist movement, who believe that causing a disruption that results in the power elite clamping down will cause a "revolutionary movement" that will carry them to power. People on here have every right to be offended by their useless, empty rhetoric and their fantasies of being revolutionaries. I think that the original post was directed specifically at these two groups, NOT the majority of people on here who are engaged in a serious and honest debate of the issues.

[bluestateguy]

2. I will NEVER criticize the nominee

I will not provide soundbites for the other side. I don't care what the facts are.

[Dr Fate]

8. Fair criticism is one thing...

...but the constant tearing down and even lying is another.

Clear thinking DEMS know one from the other.

[thebigidea]

3. when you attack Zell Miller, you attack ME!

The minute someone criticizes Zell Miller on this board, I'm going ballistic.

[Dr Fate]

6. Zell Miller enables BUSH- like you do.

Zell endorses BUSH, not Kerry.

Zell, the media, the GOP & YOU all attack DEMS. Great company you are keeping.

[thebigidea]

7. I enable Bush? You better back that one up, Doc.

I'd love to see you point out where I attack Dems.

An apology might be in order once you calm down.

[Dr Fate]

9. How is attacking Zell like attacking DEMS who do not support Bush?

I thought your point was that defending Kerry is like defending Zell- what was your point?

[thebigidea]

10. last I checked, Zell was still a Democrat. I'm pointing out the goofiness

... of your position that an attack on ANY Democrat is an attack on you.

They're not ALL beyond criticism.

But thanks for saying I enable the GOP and so forth, I'm quite charmed. I understand what you're trying to say, but maybe the rhetoric is getting a bit out of control.

I mean, I'M a BUSH ENABLER?

ME?

How absurd is that?

Have you even seen any of the stuff I've done?

[Dr Fate]

11. But Zell OPPOSES Kerry & SUPPORTS Bush...

...so You can see why I was so confused.

Enemies of Democrats come in all shapes in sizes, I guess. Zell, the media, the GOP and many "Liberals"...

Okay- you are not a Bush enabler, but suggesting that defeating Bush is similar to supporting Zell was more than off base.

[thebigidea]

12. I didn't suggest that defeating Bush was similar to supporting Zell

Just saying that there are always exceptions, and that it's more than a little silly to expect no criticism whatsoever about ALL Democrats -I mean, if you said the candidate - well, ok, I can understand that in light of DU rules. But ALL dems?

I mean, how could people not wanna tweak Joe Lieberman now and again?

[Dr Fate]

13. No, enemies of DEMS can criticise and attack all they want...

...they can even join forces with the GOP, Zell Miller & media and coordinate attacks against Kerry. I never suggested that the enemies of DEMS not do all they can to destroy us.

Just dont expect a handshake and a smile from me while you do it, thats all.

[thebigidea]

14. I'm not talking about "enemies" - I'm talking about US.

So is it ok or not to make a Lieberman joke or criticize his stances on some issues?

Does that place me in the enemy camp, out to destroy "us"?

[Dr Fate]

18. I'm just upset. Sorry.

If the shoe dont fit- then dont wear it.

I see your point, but I think it goes w/o saying who is attacking DEMS...

I'm talking about people like Zell, Nader, the Media the GOP, and sadly, many DUers- people who will activly be my enemy by opposing DEMS in 2004.

For the record, I make a "Holy Joe" joke from time to time, but I also think he has a good record on many issues- I would certainly support him against a republican...

[thebigidea]

21. I'm not the one putting on shoes, I'm ducking the ones you're lobbing

And yeah, I understand your point - we're pretty much on the same page, so I'll drop it.

I'm a bit snippy too, I just got into an epic and quite hilarious thread about Venezuela. Bwhahahaha.

[Guaranteed]

17. Or anyone that voted for the IWR, for that matter. nt

[Dr Fate]

20. Yes- that is how the "Liberals" will attack Kerry...

...The GOP will accuse him of defense flaws too- the media will say whatever the GOP tells them to say...

A fine thing when us DEMS have to fight 3 enemies at once!!!

Not a fair fight, I know, but we will fight those fuckers regardless...

[NightNurse]

4. Well said,Indeed! As an Administrator overseeing 4,000 employees

I sometimes wonder why I bother to come here: I read the naked posts by Rove-bots that are permitted,dare I say, APPEAR to be welcomed;high school punks who have no life-lesson reference points are allowed to slur the name of a decorated War hero...on and on and on...my only recourse was to withhold our Spring DU donation we were about to send until the "Inflamatory Speech Underground" reverts to the "Democratic(party) Underground".

But..oh,well:shrug: that's just US.

Nn & GG:hi:

[Guaranteed]

16. Some people just have long memories. nt

[Dr Fate]

22. Like me- I remember the 90s...

back when DEMS, were running things- and quite well, I might add.

I want some of that back, despite what the GOP, media and Nader-lovers want.

[Guaranteed]

15. Are you attacking ME? Cuz I'M a Democrat!!!

That makes YOU a Bushlover!

[Dr Fate]

19. Will you join the GOP, Media & Nader in attacking DEMS???

That is the question. Will you?

[Moderator]

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