Why did Booosh remove aristide? C-L-I-N-T-O-N

[niceypoo]

Yes, thats right. Its another reaction to Clinton. The admin has hated aristide since day one. The GOP were ferverently AGAINST removing Raul Cedras and putting in Aristide when Clinton was president. Amongst the coup leaders are are death squad leaders from the 90s.....Cedras' death squads. Booosh is definately undoing what Clinton did. Booosh has his revenge......or does he? Personally, I think this will blow up in Boooshes face. As low as his numbers are he just cannot help himself at a chance to upstage Clinton regardless of how illogical it is. If Booosh wins we can look foreward to booosh evacuating US troops from Bosnia AND Kosovo. Pure Reactionary.

[coloradodem2005]

1. I hope it does make Booosh look bad.

I hope that does not make me a bad person for some reason.

[evil_orange_cat]

2. IIRC, Bush didn't want to touch Haiti with a ten foot pole...

but I guess everything is his fault... :eyes:

I do think that the call to Aristide to step down is a bit wrong, considering his opposition is full of thugs, drug lords, and human rights abusers... AND the fact Aristide was democratically elected... twice.

I heard Pat Robertson calling for Aristide to step down... so I do suspect there is some right-wing agenda. But let's be honest. Haiti is a sh1thole... and there's no oil there... and Aristide didn't try to kill poppy. If there is a motive for the right, I don't see it yet.

[niceypoo]

3. Reactionaries dont follow logic

They react to what the left does.

[evil_orange_cat]

19. so is this reactionary or a bush conspiracy?

just curious... the general consensus on these forums seems to be "bush conspiracy". I just think Bush is placating the public on this one.

[niceypoo]

36. Its purely reactionary

Im sure they planned this from day one. They want to make Clinton look bad/upstage him.

[Zero Gravitas]

25. Election Year Politics

I don't think that the Booosh regime was behind starting the rebellion but I wouldn't be surprised if the story about them forcing Aristede out is true. They weren't going to intervene militarily (no oil or natural resources) and to sit idly by while the country collapsed into a bloodbath would not look good, it would only draw attention tot he fact that Bush's foreign policy is a complete disaster (just like his domestic policy).

[librechik]

4. fortunately we are OUT of Bosnia

turned over to an international force in 99.

[leetrisck]

16. We do still have troops over there and I honestly

believe bush wants there to be problems there

[DarkPhenyx]

5. Who is Boosh?

I don't recognize that name at all. I thought I was pretty well read up on current events too. :-(

[Sparkle]

6. Boosh is your unelected president.

[DarkPhenyx]

7. We don't have an unelected President.

We do have a President Bush. That's the only President of the US that I know of.

[Sparkle]

8. Bush isn't my damn president.

[DarkPhenyx]

9. Do you live in the United States?

If so then he is, indeed, your President. For better or worse. reality dosen't change simply because we don't like it. We may not approve of the way it happened. We may believe that there was some underhanded doings that put him there. Many people believe he cheated. Regardless, he did win in that election. He is President. Saying he isn't dosen't change that. Nor does calling him a childish name. I object to the conservative calling Clinton "Klintoon", I will object to us adopting their childish and inane tactics simply because we do not like the current Administration.

[Sparkle]

22. I will call Busch whatever I damn well please.

Your objection is overruled!

[DarkPhenyx]

23. nice of you to decree so.

always good to not let realigy get in they way of an opinion. just remember to fail to object when the same tactic is used against your candidate of choice.

[Sparkle]

28. I did fail to object back in the 90's.

I didn't give a damn.

[DarkPhenyx]

29. I think you missed my point. n/t

[barbaraann]

24. He's as much my President as an lecherous old man chosen by

the "elders" to marry a 14-year-old girl is her husband.

[DarkPhenyx]

32. Considering there is no logical connection...

...between those two points I guess I'll have to ignore them. Unless you can explain the logic behind the parallel.

[bobbieinok]

18. he was not elected - he was sElected by a 5-4 vote of SCOTUS

...

[DarkPhenyx]

20. It's a debatable point.

SCOTUS decided, by 5 - 4 vote, that he was elected. In their opinion the vote went his way, even if by only a very slim majority. We may not like their decicion, and may even believe that they were not the ones who should have made that decision, however it is who and how it was done. An election was run, our candidate conceeded the election, Bush was declared the winner.

[Zero Gravitas]

27. not quite

It wasn't the SCOTUS opinion that the vote went Bush's way. It was their opinion (well 5 of the anyway) that a full vote count might hurt Bush's interests, i.e. that "the other guy" would wind up with more votes if a full count were allowed. And guess what they were right, if a full count of ALL the votes had been allowed Bush would have lost. Therefore, in my opinion, Bush did not "win" the election and is not the legitimate President.

[DarkPhenyx]

30. Please show me the documentation where...

...SCOTUS actually said that. Most appreciated. :)

[leftistagitator]

33. RE: documentation

http://www.daveross.com/marklevine.html
there ya go, especially this part
"Q: So why not separate the votes into piles, indentations for Gore, hanging chads for Bush, votes that everyone agrees went to one candidate or the other so that we know exactly how Florida voted before determining who won? Then, if some ballots (say, indentations) have to be thrown out, the American people will know right away who won Florida.

A. Great idea! The US Supreme Court rejected it. They held that such counts would likely to produce election results showing Gore won and Gore's winning would cause "public acceptance" and that would "cast[] a cloud" over Bush's "legitimacy" that would harm "democratic stability." "

[DarkPhenyx]

34. This isn't documentation.

It is the opinion of Mr. Levine, who is a lawyer, not a SC Justice.

[Zero Gravitas]

26. not elected

Your president (he damn well is not MY president) lost the election and had to be appointed by the Supreme Court . Don't you remember?

[DarkPhenyx]

31. You don't live in the US then?

That is the only way that Bush wouldn't be your President. We'll, you could be a resident alien. That would qualify you for taht statement as well.

[found object]

14. boosh, as in boosh mon

now go roll yourself a big fat spliff.

[DarkPhenyx]

15. eh now mon...

...you gon be that way bout it I be happy to join you in da spliff, mon.

[zbdent]

10. Don't forget that Clinton restored the rightfully elected President

into power in Haiti in a bloodless show of force.

The first casualty of the US was a few months later (after Aristide was restored), when a US military person was killed in a driveby shooting at a tollbooth.

Listening to the Repukes scream about the sanctity of one soldier's life in an "illegal and unjust war", dealing only with "humanitarian issues, not issues of national interests", was rather ironic, given the current calls of how invading oil-rich Iraq was really for "humanitarian reasons".

Oh, and don't forget, the term "imminent threat" was tossed about like candy from a Shriners' Parade.

[tom_paine]

11. Yes, the Busheviks require a more Evil Dictator

Aristide wasn't torturing enough or stealing enough.

Most importantly, his kick to the Bush Crime Family was gettin' light!

[Loonman]

12. Aristide tacitly supported drug running through Haiti

Rigged the 2000 election, too.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. Kinda offtopic -- "undoing what Clinton did."

But will he undo the DMCA? NOOOOOOOOOO. :argh:

[leetrisck]

17. Did anyone else hear on the news this AM that bush

was at Camp David (Condi also). Apparently meetings went on without bush, then someone called Condi, Condi called bush (when Aristide stepped down or was kidnapped or whatever happened), then later Condi was called again and she called bush again (awakening him) to tell him he needed to call Rumsfeld to send in the Marines. As far as what I heard, bush didn't lose any sleep over this. Wouldn't you have thought he might have talked to Aristide - one Democracy to another - sometime during this process.

[PVnRT]

21. It would fit the pattern, wouldn't it?

They ignored and dismantled Clinton's anti-terrorism efforts, his environmental protections, etc. - this would be just another step in the long line of anti-Clinton moves.

[stldemocrat]

35. I agree

The whole thing is infuriating. :grr: I hope Kerry comes out swing hard on this one.