The Passion

[historian]

Havent seen it and probably wont but lets face it - the romans were brutal and if Jesus had been flogged and tortured the way the new testament says then it would not have been pleasant, no matter how you want to portray it. Again, this is a lot of fuss over nothing - if you think the movie will offend you - dont go!!!

[Walt Starr]

1. Why should I see it? I already read the book.

And I wasn't too impressed with the plot.

[knight_of_the_star]

3. LOL!

[frankly_fedup2]

5. I dunno . . .

I have never been real religious, not an atheist . . . maybe agnostic because I have too many questions as to where evolution fits into it all.

However, I took offense to your comment.

Freaks me out that it did too.

I mean, I have always been brought up in the Christian faith; however, I know other faiths do not believe Jesus was the son of God but a great prophet.

I guess we'll all know once we are dead and buried.

[Walt Starr]

6. Well. I'm of another faith

and as far as I'm concerned, the Jesus described int the New Testament never existed in reality.

And I'm not afraid to give my opinions on the subject.

[frankly_fedup2]

8. Fine. No one is trying to stop you. I was just

giving my opinion and you know what they say about that . . . opinions are like assholes . . . everyone's got one.

[Walt Starr]

15. I just find it interesting that you'd take offense

at my refusal to accept Christian Mythology.

:shrug:

[frankly_fedup2]

19. Kinda like I was saying Walt

It was kinda weird to me too. After all, you are 100 percent sure Jesus Christ never existed, and I am not sure either. But I'm not 100 percent sure it is mythology.

However, when you stated that, It kinda ticked me off. I don't know why. Guess I learned more (or paid closer attention than I thought) in Sunday School?????

Plus a lifetime of living in the South and all the different fundamentalists around here.

Like I said, I guess we'll all know the truth to it all once we are dead.

[H2O Man]

11. You might enjoy

reading Carl Sagan's 1977 best-seller, The Dragons of Eden:Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence. Carl deals with how the old stories of the tribal Jews desribed evolution in the beautiful poetry that is the Old "T". Of course, the more dull-witted among us are prone to believing in everything as literal, which is at very best a tiny step up from believing in Santa.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. I'll PASS!

[anti-NAFTA]

4. I haven't seen it yet.

Although I think it probably inspires anti-Semitism as the New Testament does, what the ADL is doing is reprehensible and isn't doing us a favor. Going to the Vatican and trying to pay them off to condemn the film and whining about it on TV is like picking at a scab.

[frankly_fedup2]

7. I was always taught that we all killed him. . .

He was born to die. To die for all of us. If you're not Christian, of course, you wouldn't feel that way. I have never (in reading the New Testament) felt any hate toward anyone. I find it amazing that anyone says that the New Testament spreads hate!

Now the Old Testament is pretty brutal and warped in a lot of ways . . .but the New Testament is about Christ and his preachings of love and peace and understanding for everyone.

Of course, that would be a perfect World and we know there isn't any such thing.

[brainwashed_youth]

9. ur kidding?

ur still believing that crap. Really, these arguments of anti-semitism sound cartoonish now

[frankly_fedup2]

10. Just being frank and honest. Like I said, I'm no

theologian; however, I do believe we are all to blame for the death of Christ. That is why he was born, he was born to die because of all of us. Not just Jews, Romans, Italians, Muslims, Christians, all of man-kinds' sins. I've never been antisemitic. And reading the NT sure did not bring any feelings of hate toward anyone. Really, just sympathy.

I guess I'll go see it and get more brainwashed (or so you would say I suppose). But I'm interested in how close to the NT it really is.

Maybe it will help to educate me and then I will become antisemitic like some of you all seem to claim the New Testament and Jesus Christs' preachings have turned Christians into.

[Catholic Sensation]

16. he was referring to the guy saying this could inspire anti-semitism

which is such a ridiculous idea it's scary. Anyone who would hate Jews after seeing this movie probably already was inclined to hate them. Seeing Caiphus condemn Jesus won't push anyone over the edge that wasn't already there.

Plus, wouldn't the movie inspire hatred of Italians since everyone associates the Roman Empire with Italy? The Romans still did the deed. It works with more than just people of Semitic origin.

[Tinoire]

13. He said probably which isn't definitive & I would hazard my friend

Anti-NAFTA never read it in its entirety. Few, few have to include most Christians. Anti-NAFTA is one of the nicest most thinking posters on this board. We're all getting testy I think. After conversations with both of you on various subjects, I would love to see it with both of you. As soon as the lines dwindle, I'll write my film review ;)

If it's that good, I might have to add it to my signature line right next to old Hugo there.

[Cleita]

12. With all the gay and passion threads today I couldn't help

but think of Matthew Shepard, the young gay kid in Laramie, Wyoming who was beaten, tortured and hung on a barbed wire fence until he died, by a group of young Christian men who hated gays. If this isn't a modern day version of the passion I don't know what is.

To make this into a metaphor, if the Christians, who murdered Matthew Shepard believe in the Second Coming, couldn't Matthew have possibly been the new reincarnation of Jesus and they killed him?

http://www.matthewsplace.com /

How little things have changed. Perhaps we still are only a bunch of Cro-Magnons with guns and nukes.

[Tinoire]

14. Young Christian men as in practicing, believing Christians or

self-labeled Christians? There's a huuuuuuge difference.

There are also, on many far-away corners of the world, people who consider the crimes being perpetrated on them as a Christian Crusade brought by you & me.

All that calls itself Christian is not Christian. There are several quotes in the New Testament to this effect.

So no, that wasn't a modern day version of the passion. That was a hate crime, which unlike the crucifixion, had nothing to do with politics or religion.

[Catholic Sensation]

17. Nope

for one HUGE reason:

Jesus doesn't come into the world in the second coming as He did in His first coming, He comes as he left (though I'm sure not bloody and wearing a crown of thorns) to fight the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon.

Unless Mount Megaddo is in Wyoming, and the Tribulation started seven years before, Matthew Sheppard wasn't Jesus' second coming.

[brainwashed_youth]

18. um....

how about not. Matthe Shephard was the unfortunate victim of a vile crime, nothing more, nothing less

[frankly_fedup2]

20. Exactly. There was no religion involved in what these

murderers did. They "claim" he hit on them in the bar. They were just sick homophobes. If it hadn't been him, it would have eventually been someone else from another minority probably. Wrong place at the wrong time.

[brainwashed_youth]

21. that was a sad time

I remember when that happened. I also remember Fred Phelps protesting the funeral....man, that guy made me sick.

[Cleita]

22. You believe that?

That's the classic homophobe line, "he hit on me". If Matthew had been a woman and they raped her they would have said, "she came on to me." BULLSHIT!!!

I have known too many gays in my life including relatives and I know they don't approach anyone anymore agressively than heterosexuals. And what if he had? They can say NO! Women do it all the time. Not that men always listen.