Bush killed my son , says soldiers mom

[Mari333]

"My son died for absolutely nothing," Lt. Dvorin's mother, Sue Niederer, declared with quiet, forceful bluntness in her Hopewell Township home on Lake Baldwin Drive Friday. Ms. Niederer blames President George W. Bush personally for her son's death.
"Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta," she said. "Bush put us where we should never have been. We're not even in a declared war."
Ms. Niederer says the growing national controversy over the failure to find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq proves that "we have a very big problem in this country. If the intelligence on which this war was based is as inefficient as it now appears to have been, there is something is seriously wrong here."




http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1091&dept_id=425744&newsid=10958951&PAG=461&rfi=9

[Killarney]

1. And some freeper responds at the bottom

telling her to leave America and move to France.

Real nice.

[Mari333]

3. Dont worry I responded

and as the mother of a soldier over there I responded well. Hopefully they will put it up soon. Gads, people are cruel.

[Obamarama]

19. HI From Kalamazoo, Mari....

Have you heard from your son? I thought of you the other day. I ran across the most profound quote made my a relative of mine. She was a pioneer (pioneeress?) for peace in the years following WW1 & WW2. Her quote was (I'm parphrasing at the moment):

"If the government came to our homes and took away your automobiles, your cars and other creature comforts, Americans would be outraged. But they come and take away our sons to be sent away for cannon fodder and we wave them off, flags waving."

[Mari333]

22. Hi K Zoo...he called from Madrid tonight

hes in Spain. They are on their way, and he cant call us for 2=3 weeks and then he can email us where he is in Iraq.
this story really freaks us out. But this woman is a hero.
a real hero.
god bless her.
You guys doing anything in Kalamazoo on March 20? I want to march to bring the troops home..
and yes, I dont understand why so many people think we are flag waving about this..they are insane. Id like to stick the flag right up Bu$shs ass, pointy side first.

[mike1963]

23. I replied too, but nothing new has appeared for half an hour. I imagine

they are being careful to toe the party line.
:grr:

[mike1963]

28. There are other links from this "newspaper"...it appears to be a consortiu

consortium of RW nutballs...here's another one with the story with no comments posted yet (I made one but don't know if it will be put in)
http://www.pacpub.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10958761&BRD=1091&PAG=461&dept_id=425716&rfi=6

[diamond14]

2. may the spirit of Seth Dvorin, 24 years old, haunt bush* every single

hour of his days and nights....may Seth's screams enter bush*'s dreams every single night...may the souls of those that bush* KILLED ghost through bush* brain always....

may the families of the dead remember this photo.... showing how much the shrub really cares about the Seth Dvorin and other Patriotic soldiers....while they grieve, shrub entertains himself at NASCAR races....

[Malva Zebrina]

14. I agree, but who the hell are those smiling assholes behing him?

Do they have sons in Iraq? Are any of their family in harms' way? Why are they smiling at the asshole who makes a circus out of thier sport and takes advantage of the tax payer money in order to get votes?

He is corrupt and an evil man--why are they smiling and apparently approving of the evil sleeze emanating from his smell?

[lovedems]

4. OMFG! Did you see those heartless responses????

I am shocked! Go ahead and feel bad that your son died, but don't you dare blame the pResident! Who in the fuck are these heartless people? I cannot believe the audicity of these god damned jerks who belittle and shame a family who are speaking out about the manner in which their young, loved one died.

I don't think I have been this pissed off for a long time (hence the language). Who are these heartless bastards????? :mad: :grr:

[Mari333]

6. They are assholes

and in major denial..they are so stupid its beyond belief..send a response supporting this woman..
she needs some decent responses...I sent one..

[lovedems]

10. Me too. See below.

I just couldn't let this one pass. My stomach is in knots reading some of the God awful responses to a mourning family.

[OneTwentyoNine]

7. Those heartless bastards are the ones that stay at home in the easy chair.

How easy it is for them even NOW when we have proof positive that BUSH LIED about WMD to not care about the people getting killed in Iraq.

They still lie and cover up for Bush,holding on in desperation that this supreme idiot will do at least ONE good thing in his four years.
I can tell you right now,it won't happen and Bush WILL be voted out in November.

David

[Skittles]

8. I agree

considering the circumstances, if you cannot agree with a grieving familiy then at least have the common decency to say nothing. But that's exactly what freepers and neocons lack - a sense of common decency.

[Sophree]

21. I share your anger

They all ought to be ashamed of themselves. Calling the parents "anti-American," presuming to "thank" this poor family's son, as if he would not be steaming angry about her hateful, insensitive comments toward his poor, grieving mother?

We do live in a country in serious need of de-Nazification. Lord help us all.

[CityZen-X]

5. Your Son Comes Home In A Box

And you and 500+ families grief the lost of a loved one under the guise that he or she died for their country. I am so sorry to state here that your loved ones died for a lie whose machinations were only to line the pockets of golf buddies who chuckle and take pride of getting away with the ultimate crime!
I have two children that are in the so called Armed Forces, and if they were to lose their lives or their limbs as a result of this evil regimes endeavors, I would take it upon myself to bring about the same unto their elitist buttock's!!!!!!
That you have my ultimate word on.

[berner59]

15. These families should be the voices...

For the 2004 campaign... NOBODY can ever really imagine what the loss of a child is like unless it happens and to think it was a death caused for the wrong reason is beyond pale... My dream is to have Bush at one of these town meeting debates and have one parent of a killed soldier approach him and ask why...

[CityZen-X]

17. My Approach....

would not be a why, It would be a serious ass kicking. Something I would be proud of as I sat in my cell in some Federal concentration camp!

[lovedems]

9. I responded too. Not as a person who has sent a family member

to fight this unjust war but as a person who also feels this war is based on lies and misrepresentations.

I said that I was embarrassed by the responses and I wished the family courage to continue to speak out because there are alot of Americans who agree with what they are saying.

I am still so mad!:grr:

[Mari333]

12. good..I also sent this article to mfso.org

Hopefully Nancy Lessin and the other military families will help this woman as a catalyst for her to speak out..
I also posted mfso.org and bringthemhomenow.com in my response.

[kenny blankenship]

11. But you can take consolation, Ma'am,

because John Kerry did everything in his power to make sure that your child did not die in an illegal pointless war for Empire...

Oh oops, my bad!

[Mari333]

13. ABB....we have no choice. ABB

and then we hold Kerrys feet to the fire.
Anyone But Bush.

[Malva Zebrina]

18. right

and that is what we will be stuck with.

Oh wait- they all thought they were being told the truth by Bush!!
They trusted him implicitly! He is indeed, they all thought, the final word on what was going down in Iraq! Yeah--and I have bridge to sell you too.

It is not their fault that the CIA gave them wrong intelligence. Oh wait==but that is what Bush said --he had the same intelligence as they!

We, the American people have been skinned down to our bones by all the politicians who are looking out for themselves be they
Democrats or Republicans.

and that includes Kerry and Clinton, Edwards also.

We have no choice but to vote for Kerry if he gets the nomination.
WE are shackled to a Kerry , it appears. He is a rich somobitch as so is his wife. All rich, all the time.

And there is nothing better in a democracy than to be forced to vote for someone who approved of the murder of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in order to get the guy that ordered the murder of tens of thousands of civilians, out of office. So funny, if it were not so sad.

There seems to be something very wrong with this whole act.

[wellstone_democrat]

24. That's nice---Asshole

Take a sarcastic tone toward the original story posted about a grieving mother (I might add) by a mother waiting for news of her son headed to Iraq. That takes some nerve. But, hey, your chance to slam one of the candidates is more important isn't it?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[kenny blankenship]

25. sorry dude, I take the needless deaths of American kids

(and Iraqis for that matter) MUCH MORE seriously than John Kerry does --and so it seems, more seriously than many of his supporters, who know of his role in sending kids to die for the American petro-empire, but don't care.

Kerry wanted the Whitehouse, the IWR looked like a safe bet. To him the kids were "expendable."

[mike1963]

27. Then why not place the blame where it belongs instead of crapping on

one of 82 senators who did vote for the IWR. (It didn't include a provision for invading the goddamn country, in case you were napping and didn't notice.)
:grr:

[screwfacecapone]

16. I wonder if.......

.......one of those freepers who told her to 'get out of america' etc would feel if that was one of thier kids?

[Mari333]

20. No, freepers dont support the troops they support the lies

of the bU$h administration. They are traitors to the troops. They are traitors to military families.
They follow the Ultimate Traitors... The bu$sh admin.

[rasputin1952]

26. I wrote a response...

but I'm afraid it may not be posted.

In essence, I wrote that those who were heartless enough to support bush and his policies, should they themselves join up, or if there were age, medical or other complications, they should send their children. I had ended with a statement that I had nothing but the utmost respect for those that stand before our flag and the Constitution to defend them. But I had hoped that those who support bush would open their eyes and see that our military is being used as corporate bullies.

Not sure if this will fly w/ the editors; but give it a shot!

O8)

[Mari333]

29. Maybe the responses will be posted tommorrow

or not..my local paper put my letter in today, and gave me a headline, about my anger at the Bu$sh administration and their occupation of Iraq and my stepson going..but its a small town..glad I have an unlisted number after reading some of those responses.
However, another larger paper wouldnt print my letter in St Joseph. They are all republican shills.
Its a shame isnt it, when the chickenhawks wont even print the letter of a military mother because she doesnt agree with them.
Trying to protect their little KING.

[rasputin1952]

30. UPDATE on this story...

when I e-mailed them yesterday, there were 15 responses, many were heartless and cruel.

Today, as of 5:20 PM CST, there have been 124 response, the vast majority of them sending their condolences to the family, and chastising those that had written what I consider heartless comments.

This shows me that the vast majority of people in this nation remain dedicated to the decency we've shown time after time as a country and a society. I am proud of these individuals, and although mine was not one that was printed,, as I read through them, I could feel the compassion these writers had, and the passion they have for getting rid of the current regime.

My heart goes out to this family, and I hope they find 'closure' quickly.

At the same time, I see the tide turning against this evil SOB in OUR WH. People are no longer afraid to speak up. The American people have not lost their sense of dignity and will oust this creature from gov't, his minions will return to the tunnels they dug to show themselves. We ARE winning!

O8)