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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:08 PM
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The History and Significance of Reaganomics I, II, III, and IV
The History/Significance of Reaganomics I, II, III, and IV

You might think the big difference between Democrats and Republicans is really about issues of gun control, abortion, health care, and other matters.

Ready for a wake up call on what the real bottom line difference is? One that affects whether or not we might even HAVE a country in the future?

Oddly enough, it’s as simple as this.....whether or not it makes sense to have a progressive income tax. Sound too simple? You bet it is. Unfortunately, that may be part of the reason why we’re losing the battle on this core issue.

We Democrats represent the only base of people that understand that taxes might go up or down depending on circumstances and the needs of the country. We also fundamentally understand that capitalism only works when it works for the people. This is a proven fact in history. What we also endorse is the use of a PROGRESSIVE tax system because it is fair and it allows capitalism to work for all the people, not just a small minority on top. History has shown that a progressive tax does not stifle the capitalistic system.

Capitalism without a progressive tax produces the statistical inevitability that MORE and MORE profits get concentrated to fewer and fewer people. The exact “adjustment point” for taxes levels or the “progressiveness” has never been historically established and it is obviously impossible to look at the argument in those terms. What does need to be completely embellished however, is that there is a core NEED for a progressive tax to be in place. Without it, we do quite literally fall into the “haves and have-nots” as Marx hypothesized.

The other side (and quite literally the enemy) are those in this country that seek to eliminate the progressive tax system. They are a hard core breed of Reaganites that have evolved and who have filtered through the political system.

Ironically, Reaganomics has evolved from something that might not have been all that bad an idea at the time to something which is quite out of control today. Actually, the original principles and advantages of the early theories of Reaganomics have long since passed. The new Reaganites in power have no more morals or business sense then a common criminal. They represent actually the worse Reaganites that could be in power now because they vehemently believe that the profits that they were given by Reagan were taken away by Clinton. They are completely motivated to get back those “lost profits”.

Consider this condensed view of “Reagonomics I, II, III, and IV” to put the evolution of Reaganomics into perspective:

“Reaganomics I” – (1980-1984) Previously, Kennedy had reduced the upper echelon tax rate from 90% to 70%. The American business community was maturing and this proved to be a timely and advantageous move. Enter Reagan. His move to reduce the upper rate from 70% to 50% and also loosen up other regulations was viewed quite positively by the business world and helped promote the small businessman. Although a growing movement in the business world was taking shape to give more emphasis on corporate profits for the shareholders, everything was going rather well (for the time being). An upper tax rate of 50% is comparable to many of the European countries and cannot in any stretch of the imagination be considered stifling to a capitalistic system. America was more or less in balance.

“Reaganomics II” – (1984-1992) Reagan’s clear intent of his second term was to knock the upper rate to unprecedented lows. The rate was thus lowered from 50% down to near 30%. This in combination with long term increases in defense spending and soaring debt resulted in Reaganomics first tipping the meter into the “capitalism overload” zone. Unfortunately too much of a good thing was music to the ears of the business world, and the momentum of profits for the sake of profits was fueled. Reaganomics became in this timeframe fully embellished and glorified by Limbaugh and others who had dreamed of an age of profit making that would allow a common rich man to achieve Rockefeller type wealth. Reaganomics thus became entrenched in the minds and hearts of a growing number of Reaganite Republicans that would now bring their power to bear on the American political system.

“Reaganomics III” – (1992 to 2000) This phase was an extremely important phase in which hard core Reaganites organized and mobilized to act out their ambitions through the political system. The common bond was between those that were literally shocked and emotionally torn by Clinton’s logical move to raise the upper rate just 8% to near 40% and bring our economic house back in order. While the economy and business world thrived and there was growing evidence that the 40% was NOT stifling at all to capitalism...."taking back money that had been given" was completely intolerable to these people. This growing movement of Reaganites vowed certainly to come back and get not only what they had “lost” during the Clinton years, but to notch up Reaganomics another dangerous step. During this phase the extremely important concept of “the government is stealing your money” was perfected. This was an important departure and considerably more insidious than Reagan’s original “you made it, you deserve to keep more of what you earn”. The flat tax was championed, and those radical right wing Reaganites that had no sense of history or sense of good for the country were about to organize and take back the White House.

“Reaganomics IV” – (2001 - ?) Reaganomics was one of the first items on the list of George W. Bush when he came to power as Clinton tax increases were immediately reversed. Goals to achieve as low as 28% and beyond, plus elimination of the inheritance tax, and potential move towards a flat tax emerged as if they were intended as a true knock out blow to Democrats. Moderate Republicans like John McCain who discussed the possibility that the rich who had profited immensely in previous years didn’t necessarily need new tax breaks were quickly shut down. What appeared over the preceding years as tongue and cheek rhetoric from a psychotic talk show host had actually come to fruition (and unfortunately owing to a very close election of course).


The most effective fixes I can recommend at this point are:

a. Bring the knowledge of the triumph of the progressive tax system into the political mix. Get the message to the point that it can be embellished by the common household. Whether it takes charts and pictures and simple math, the case must be made that we live in a capitalistic economy which generates an inordinate amount of wealth, and that that wealth doesn’t naturally “trickle down” to the bottom.

b. “Bring it on” – yes take the fight to them directly on this issue. Our key candidates must be willing to say, “They tell us we don’t believe in anything. Well we believe in a progressive tax system for this country and we have nothing to be ashamed for believing that. Belief in that system DOESN’T mean that we are stealing money from the rich. It is a fair system and IT WORKS. The other side has been attempting to sell the argument for years that it is unfair to take money in taxes and that this is stealing. That type of conditioning has been only for the purpose that they can exploit higher and higher profits for their own use”.

c. Neutralize the “class warfare” argument once and for all. Provide clear and ever repeated historic examples which show the rich have increasingly profited off the system while the middle class has seen only modest gains (and poor gap widening) while other services and infrastructure are suffering.

We do have a fundamental core difference, especially with regards to the extreme right wing Reaganites that are now in power, and it’s time to really start thinking about making and perfecting the argument before we lose the fight and the country with it.



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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:23 PM
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2. Unbrilliant
The government needs money to operate. It's that simple. I'm surprised (or maybe not), that you can't understand that.

You are aware (or maybe not) that transfer payments and entitlements are only about 50% of the budget and 80+% of that is Social Security and the people getting that money PAID INTO THE SYSTEM.

Try to pay a little bit of attention and then you won't have to write posts that reveal your ignorance.
The Professor
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:34 PM
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5. Growing income gap is not good for democracy
Kevin Phillips addresses the issue well in his book "Wealth and Democracy". Unfortunately, with Bush's tax policies, and with the sad state of campaign finance, we are headed for a plutocracy.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:25 PM
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3. My Only Quibble
Your use of the term Reaganomics apropos the Clinton years. The increase in taxes and subsequent economic success is the exact opposite of what Supply-Siders want. Remember that almost every single conservative economist and pundit predicted economic doom. They were completely wrong. So, assigning the term Reganomics to an economic boom period that was the polar opposite of what they preach seems inappropriate.
The Professor
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:27 PM
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4. Reagan tax cut was in August 81 - followed by 14 month deep recession
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:28 PM by papau
do, in my opinion, to the effect of the marginal changes on long term (10 year to 30 year) interest rates that anticipation of more federal debt always has.

Indeed I was a capital project "approver" - or at least one of many who provided input - during the 80's and 90's - and our hurdle rate was adjusted upward to reflect anticipated changes in the interest rate that we expected from the deficit increase.

Reagan's tax cut - unlike the JFK cut into the labor /supply and demand situation in 61 - was a disaster -

and was repeated in 2001 by Bush - so we are 2 for 2 in disaster as the effect of large tax cuts that cause deficits - so perhaps folks could note that Bush achieved the same economic activity slowing effect that Reagan achieved.

Carter over 4 years recorded a 3.25% compound annual after removal of inflation growth in GDP.

Reagan over 8 years recorded a 3.33% number - and needed a stimulus of 1.7 trillion to be added to the 1 trillion of debt.

Tax cuts tend to be a poorly designed stimulus in terms of bang for the buck - and with Bush - they can and are a job killer.

We always maximize whatever tax law loopholes that are available - and with Bush's new law added to his non-enforcement of IRS code section 482, Bush has sent jobs overseas.
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:38 PM
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6. Good points....
The economic argument is difficult to embellish in detail by the average person.

That's why I recommend the core appreciation of what tax breaks for the rich started as and what they ultimately morphed into.

Why is it such a hard argument to make that a progressive tax is "fair"?

I personally understand the "statistical" inevitability of everything going to the top if you don't have a progressive tax...but many might not even get that point.

Just like we fall to our knees when the interest rate is adjusted in the name of "cooling down" an overheated economy, what is such a big deal to adjust the progressive tax system in response to our needs to balance the budget or provide BASIC services?....

except for the very bottom line of what I was saying....it's like taking candy from a baby.....

and it's those babies that we're fighting now.....
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:53 PM
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7. As a somewhat interesting aside to the tax cut and regressive taxes,
some of the originators were the neocons like Irving Kristol who were originally more communist/leftist in philosophy. When they switched over to the right they went way far right. So one theory by Michael Lind is that the neocons have never been in the liberal tradition. They have always been anti-democratic radicals. So regressive taxation is no problem for the right. They have rejected any sense of community and government responsibility for the common good that liberalism and the Constitution are based on. I think Laffer's theory provides a useful smokescreen for the proliferation of tax cuts and regressive taxation. Laffer may have had a small point but it is nothing to base a tax policy on. David Kay Johnson's "Perfectly Legal" may make a better point. I haven't started it yet, but I did catch part of his interview on C-Span. The super rich want and get a regressive tax system because it is in their best interest, or so they think.
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:19 PM
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8. That's what they never tell you !!!

During the "golden days", the 50s the rich were taxed mercilessly. Seems like every time they cut taxes on the rich, we get farther away from the golden age.

The Repukelicans effectively snow people into believing that THEY are on of the elite. YOU are part of THEIR club. Someday, they think they too will be a super-earner, and when that day comes, they will want to keep it.

Time for reality. The rich are getting richer. The poor are getting poorer. Your chances of getting rich go down every year

Yeah, 90% taxation on income is fundamentally unfair. Not even Bill Gates deserves that rate. Though, I'd be happy to slap a 60% tax rate on people clearing $20 million.

What people have to realize is that NO ONE generates $20 million/year worth of value in an economy. Well, only in rare cases when an inventor creates an entirely new industry. Otherwise, it's simple theft and exploitation of all the little people without which an operation cannot succeed.

So here is the plan

1) No taxes for the poor. Cut payroll taxes.
2) Low taxes on the middle class.
3) Higher taxes on the affluent. No cap on payroll taxes (the great tax lie)
4) HIGH taxes on the rich. Plus, put the capital gains tax back in place. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard "People won't want to make money for nothing if the PROFITS are taxed, Duuuuhhhhh"
5) REALLY HIGH taxes on the super rich. 65%!!!!!! If you're so worried about taxes on your mega-bucks, perhaps you should consider paying your employees more as a tax shelter!!!!!

Deny overseas tax havens. ABOLISH the notion of the International Corporation. There is no international government to regulate it.

Plus, a constitutional amendment forbidding corporate welfare. No more $750 million dollar stadiums being built on the public dime!!!!
No more factories being paid for through tax "incentives (which are really subsidies)".




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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:53 PM
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9. Reagan raised the payroll tax (most regressive) to fund SS
in '85 I think... I read all about it in Krugman's book "The Great Unraveling"

I recommend it to everyone here.
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