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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:21 PM
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Why don't any of America's Airlines have flights to Africa
that are nonstop or to the Middle East?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:32 PM
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1. I forgot one phrase
discuss
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:33 PM
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2. probably a couple of reasons
1) It's far. Most American airlines only have directs from the east coast to Western Europe. I could see possibly a NYC - Casablanca flight, but not much else, as the three other big cities Americans are likely to go to; Cairo, Johannisberg, Nairobi, are VERY FAR AWAY from North America.

2) Not much of a market for Americans going directly to west Africa, except for possibly Morocco. Visiting Sierra Leone, Liberia, or Cote d'Ivorre is probably on the bottom of the list of US vacation destinations.

There aren't any nonstops, AFAIK, from the US to say Dehli, or Moscow, or otherwise because they're very far from the US. Nonstops from the US to Buenos Aires and Sydney are the maximum amount of time I think people are willing to be stuck in an airplane.

There could be some socio-political reasons Carlos, but I think the distance and lack of a market outweigh them.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:36 PM
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3. Actually
There are nonstop flights from JFK to CAI run by Egypt Air. Delta does have flights to Moscow.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:43 PM
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4. well again
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 11:51 PM by DinoBoy
1) lack of a market for Cairo, as it is still a much less visited destination than Europe.

2) Moscow is a LOOOONNNGGGGG way from here, and I suspect that's why only one US airline goes there.

Carlos, I worked in a tourist oriented foreign exchange burough. It was in Seattle, and granted we've got some biases towards Seattle, but do you want to know where people went to?

Canada
Mexico
United Kingdom
France
Italy
Japan
Germany
Holland
Costa Rica
Australia
China
Czech Republic
Spain
Portugal
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
New Zealand
Switzerland
Austria
Egypt
Hungary
Morocco
South Africa


The list is missing some countries, but be damn sure about where Egypt, Morocco, and South Africa are in relation to Asia, Europe and the rest of the Americas.
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displacedyankeedem Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:48 PM
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5. There is one ME flight I know of
Last I checked Continental flies a nonstop from Newark to Tel Aviv. Northwest is planning a direct Detroit-Amsterdam-Bagdahd route
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:58 PM
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9. To Baghdad?
Are you serious?
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:50 PM
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6. I've wondered if there were some sort of regulation involved
Every time I've been to Africa, it's been on either a European (British Air, Lufthansa) or African (Ethiopian Airlines) carrier. I can see why there wouldn't be any *direct* flights from the U.S. to Africa, but that doesn't explain why there don't seem to be any connections either. Lack of a market in the U.S. may also be a factor...however, the flights I've been on from Africa have all been pretty full (except on Ethiopian, and their transcontinental flights aren't really their focus anyhow -- much more a regional carrier). Of course, it may be that the market is saturated, so to speak.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:57 PM
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8. Did you take Ethiopian from Dulles
It's the only connection Dulles has to Africa. Dulles also gets service from Saudia Arabian Airlines.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:07 AM
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11. That was a couple of years ago...
I actually started out in Indianapolis, but I think we picked up Ethiopian in Newark...yes, that's right, I remember the chaotic airport construction.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:11 AM
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12. Was it a good flight
Everyone tells me that Ethiopian is a great airline.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:19 AM
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14. Yes, it was
The best part was that the plane was only about half full, both ways, so you could spread out once you were in the air. The food is fine for airline food. It's not a fancy airline (no individual movie selections in coach class -- or up front either, I think) but it seemed like a very good value to me. From Newark to Addis there's one stop, in Rome; nobody gets on or off, it's just for fuel and food service. (That's the only thing I didn't like -- no way to arrange a stayover in Rome, or even get off and stretch your legs. Not that walking around the Frankfurt airport on my last trip -- United/Lufthansa -- was terribly exciting, but it was nice to get off the plane for a little while.)

The little thing that I'll never forget is that when they were showing the map that illustrates where you are on your route, there was always a little indicator showing which direction to face towards Mecca. I thought that was a nice touch -- there are of course a lot of Muslims in Ethiopia, but the government/business is mostly run by Christians, AFAIK. Actually, the world could learn a lot in terms of religious tolerance from Ethiopia's example. /end of off-topic musings :-)
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:22 AM
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15. So
what brought you to Ethiopia
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:26 AM
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16. I'm an anthropology grad student
I've been working at an archaeological/paleontological site in the Afar region; one of the post-doc researchers at the research center I'm affiliated with is the principal investigator on the project. He's an Ethiopian citizen, and has been associated with the site for many years now, so lots of ties with the local people near the project, etc. Some of the stone tools from the site are going to be a small part of my dissertation.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:29 AM
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17. Ok
What is your thesis?
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:45 AM
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18. It's on the biomechanics of stone tool making
Mostly it involves experiments with human subjects and a couple of bonobos. The idea is to find out what's involved, biomechanically, in making simple flakes (the earliest surviving technology) and eventually apply it to the fossil record. The biomechanics and analysis of the experimental artifacts will be most of the dissertation, but I'm also going to compare the experimental tools with a sample of archaeological artifacts. It's looking like a frighteningly massive amount of data so far -- all told, I'll have 45 human and 2 nonhuman subjects. :-)
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:47 AM
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19. Ok
Seems too complicated for me to understand.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:54 AM
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20. Well, it's a bit complicated for the "uninitiated"...
but after hearing about it for a couple of years, my parents and boyfriend now understand it probably better than they care to...lol. There's a lot of esoteric methodological stuff behind the scenes, but the results boil down to physics plus anatomy, plus some stone tool measurements. But of course, I'll have to find a way to *make* it easily understandable if I ever want to get a job! :-)
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displacedyankeedem Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:55 PM
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7. Also
There is a new trend toward alliances and something called "codeshares". Now, let's say I want to fly from Atlanta to Kuwait City. I call up Delta and tell them this; they then in turn book me on a Delta flight to Paris(lets call it Delta Flight 14) and on a connecting alliance Air France flight from Paris to Kuwait City. However the Air France flight is ticked as a Delta codeshare flight(call it Delta 9876). To the passenger it appears as if he will be flying on Delta all the way to Kuwait City, but Delta doesn't actually have to fly the route, saving it a lot of money on what would be a losing route for them.

Make sense?
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:12 AM
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13. Yep...and sometimes it's not even a code-share
What I've seen more often is that you take a U.S. carrier to Europe, and then switch to a European airline under that airline's flight codes. For instance, earlier this year I flew to Frankfurt on United, then to Addis Ababa on Lufthansa, and my itinerary named both airlines, both of which are in the Star Alliance. Maybe they don't need codeshares when they have the alliance thing going, and of course no need for the American carrier to run routes that are not profitable. I suppose the reason they don't go after those routes with their own planes is that the markets are pretty well saturated and it would be extremely difficult to get in.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:01 AM
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10. Quick answer, no demand
Not enough people want to go there.

Simple enough really. If they can't fill up the planes then they don't make any money. Heck, they're not making any money on DOMESTIC flights.
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