Extensive web-site says that Bush is descended from extra-terrestrials...

[OKHRANA]

Extensive and serious web site contends that Bush is descended from extra-terrestrial race, and links Bush and other leaders to secret society (the links for all that are below, but read this intro first if you can).

George W. Bush is at least the fourth confirmed Skulls and Bones President (S&B thought to be related to the secret centuries old Illuminati society dedicated to world domination; T.Roosevelt, Taft, Bush I, & Bush II). Note, at least two of them became President after assassination attempts (of McKinley in 1901, and of Reagan in 1981, though Bush I later became President anyway after Reagan survived his assassination attempt).

Kerry (and I like him) is also a Skulls and Bones graduate member by the way, so this election year, if Kerry is the Democratic nominee both Presidential candidates will be Skulls & Bones members, guaranteeing victory for the highest leadership position in the world?s most powerful nation for one of them. Based on this and my deeper knowledge of Skulls and Bones (after a lot of reading over some years), I can tell you right now (and write down that I told you), Kerry will be the Democratic nominee (and bet on it and make some money if you can ? where legal - if you are so inclined).

The odds of two Presidents being from the same state, let alone university, let alone secret fraternity and within the same university (Yale), are highly unlikely; yet Skulls and Bones has produced at least 4 into this select Presidential club, and more are certainly on the way. Many other ?Bones? members have sprinkled significant high government positions at key times in the last 150 years (You?ll never think of Yale or S&B in the same way). Many of the most successful educational institutions in America fail to produce any Presidents, so how does Skulls and Bones beat those odds and get 4? Good question. Other Presidents have been controlled by powerful S&B underlings - FDR is one, read article recommended below).

The fact is, we all need to learn about Skulls and Bones, Illuminati, and their extensive intelligence links and links to other apparently similarly driven leaderships in other nations. Here is a site with excellent articles on Skulls and Bones. The articles are fascinating. Open and copy the best articles:

"New World Order". In this link, first read the long article down past the middle of this very long page, titled: ?George Bush , Skull & Bones and the New World Order, A New American View -- International Edition White Paper, April 1991?, apparently written for the Japanese Government:

http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm

I?m not generally into weird stuff, and I still find it hard to believe all this, but (David Icke, the man that writes this, who now writes book about this and more, and does lecture tours, is a former BBC reporter and seems to know his stuff) after reading it and a lot about Skulls (and some UFO documentaries) I did not immediately dismiss this extra-terrestrial allegation. It is sincere, extensively researched, and based on many little-known but verified facts known to me, thus lending it significant credibility to me. A sample but admittedly outrageous red-meat quote that really has to be read in context: ??Kathy talks about the fact that George Bush had told her that they were an extraterrestrial race, who had taken over the planet and no one realizes it, and that they came from deep far-off space?? Here is the link for that (search the page for references "Bush"), but read some of the other articles too:

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/biggestsecret.html

Finally, lending some credibility to the extra-terrestrial angle is none other than Monsignor Corrado Balducci. Balducci, who is the official Exorcist for Rome, former diplomat in the Papal Nunciature in Washington, DC,, and close advisor to the Pope.

Balducci has gone on Italian national television five times in the past several years to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real (and positive) phenomenon! He says they are here among us and are mixing with us (DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON HIM, a lot will come up). I am not making this up.

An American PhD, also apparently very serious, offers a lot of info on extraterrestrials, and recently met with Monsignor Balducci, is at:

http://www.drboylan.com/sardnia.vtcanrprt.html

(His home page is at http://www.drboylan.com/index.html )

Anyone with knowledge of more aspects of any of these connections, I would welcome any good narrative or links. Also, any serious input or opinions from anyone would also be very interesting and appreciated.

Please, if you think this is dumb, I understand, but try not to dump a lot of comments of ridicule on here, the fact needs to be sorted from the fiction, and there is a lot of fact, thanks.

[barbaraann]

1. I find it all great food for thought, but not gospel.

The thing that really fascinates me is the explosion of human civilization in Sumeria 5,000 years ago and how Bush allowed the plunder of the Iraqi National Museum with artifacts from that time.

[lucidmadman]

6. Icke shares speaking platforms with...

...some pretty way out charactors from the far right.

http://www.publiceye.org/main.html#upfront


This link is to some interesting and informative material on Left/Right alliances, conspiritorial thinking etc.

Not 'dumpin' on you. Just some stuff you might want to read...

[OKHRANA]

11. thanks, no problem at all, good info...but

the fact that David Icke has connections to the far right I think only gives this credibility because basically what he is revealing doesn't help Bush, who is from the far right, so maybe he is disclosing it because that's just what he knows.

I'm going to read this...

[rman]

32. carefull with jumping to conclusions about credibility.

you're not saying there's not such thing as disinfo, are you?

It's well known that RW activists are masters of manipulation of information.

I think you need more tin foil.

[Tinoire]

8. Did you, by any chance keep track of those stories?

There's an occult aspect to some of the things taking place right now that I like to keep an eye on. I know that many of the artifacts we stole had an occult value and I am trying to piece a few things together. Did you save those? Thanks

[OKHRANA]

12. Yes, I saved them...

you mean the articles I provided links to? Yes I saved those, and a lot more of them. Why? (They're still there)

[Tinoire]

21. No I meant the ones about the occult artifacts that were stolen from Iraq

the Iraqi museums/ There was a really good thread about it too but I've mis-placed my book-mark. Thanks for your stuff. There's a lot of truth to many things he says. I just have a hard time with the reptilian talk though I must admit that everytime I see Bush on TV with those beady eyes darting all over the place and that scaly skin, I wonder if David Icke might not be on to somehthing there ;)

I've combed through what you posted in the past and too much of it is sourced, except for the reptilian bit which seems so legendish but hell, in a world where so many believe in Gods, Demons and Angels and most people believe in good vs evil, I won't discount even that. Thanks for the links.

[barbaraann]

28. Oh, sorry, I haven't saved anything about the museum.

I am not sure but I think there were a lot of priceless clay tablets there that are very significant.

If I find some info on that, I will let you know!

[OKHRANA]

16. I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE INSIGHT ICKE PROVIDES:

Icke describes one classic technique common to Skulls & Bones, for obtaining power and gaining control of people's rights, practiced by Bush in Iraq. You create a crisis (blame someone else for it), then offer the "solution" which was the thing you wanted to begin with but could not get approval for, but with the fear your crisis created, now get people's approval for (sound familiar?). Here's a quote:

"I have written and spoken many times about the technique I call problem - reaction - solution. You secretly create a problem and ensure that someone else is blamed for it; you manipulate public opinion to demand that "something must be done" about that problem; then you openly offer the solution to the "problem" you have created - the very "solution" you planned from the start. Here I look at two topical events, the war in Bosnia and the bombing in Oklahoma, from the perspective of problem - reaction - solution."

"The first thing to appreciate about wars is that, above all else, you need two things to fight them: weapons and money. So whatever war you wish to name has involved the supply of weapons and money to both 'sides', usually by global manipulators."

[hang a left]

18. When I first started reading about this, I thought no freakin way

Not even me, the queen of conspiracy can go to the reptilian/ufo thingy. But I have now read many books, and visited many sites on this subject. I just finished Icke's 9-11 book. There is definately something to this, because it is so secretive, alot of people are guessing. I for one totally believe this is what is going on. But don't expect to find any sympathy here. Debunkers will crawl out of the woodwork to knock you around. Thanks for the links. Yes, Tinoire, I believed it all started in Sumeria.

Really evil stuff, that is how you explain what the hell happened to this country.

on edit who to how

[LosinIt]

2. Hey, let's not insult the Extra Terrestials, some of my best friends are..

n/t

[OKHRANA]

4. They say we are "a nation of immigrants" don't they?

And maybe this explains why some of them are referred to as "aliens".

[OKHRANA]

29. With Bush maybe they're insulting us...

But if these aliens don't exist, then the S&B issue is still there though.

[asjr]

3. Could be

something to this. After all, we know he is not human.

[soothsayer]

5. cool, thanks

i'm always calling * a shape-shifting reptilian, and godnoze he might be. plus, i feel the same way as the authors about the skull n bonzemen ensuring a victory for "them" whoever they are. consider the fact that reagan HATED poppy bush but was told that he was going to take him as his running mate and that was that. assuming that's true of course

[OKHRANA]

9. a "shape-shipfting reptilian", you must be kidding?

Was that just coincidence, or did you read about this before? Apparently the article I provided a link to uses just these terms "shifters" and "reptilian" in regards to the Bushes.

Also, I always knew that Reagan hated Bush I, and I always thought Bush I with his past CIA background and involvement in Bay of Pigs and possibly the JFK assassination, was involved in trying to "sanction" Reagan, but that was even before I learned of the Skulls and Bones connnection.

When I learned of Skulls and Bones, that was too much coincidence for me, and only added more substance to that suspicion, and the fact that S&B grad Teddy Roosevelt got his office by way of the crazy lone gunman and patsy, as with Oswald and Hinckley (and led to the act by mind control techniques including hypnosis that the CIA which Bush was a member of and all S&B had deep connections to) made it very hard to dismiss.

And Hinckley's dad by the way was a friend an business associate of Bush I, and Hinckley also went to school with George W. Bush! Bush brother Marvin I believe had dinner with a brother of Hinckley the night of Reagan's attempted assassination.

In fact, somewhere I have a direct quote denial by George W. Bush from the 80's where he denied ever meeting Hinckley, even though they went to the same high school, though Bush was a couple of years ahead of him.

It is highly suspicious that Hinckley's psychiatrist was in a position to provide him mind altering drugs and hypnosis, and that man was a psychiatrist with a CIA past! Oh man, it just goes on and on.

[Tinoire]

25. You are the second person to make that Hinkley connection in 2 days

The other time wasn't even at DU. Kind of puts a whole new light on the fact that Bush was probably up to his neck in the Kennedy assassination.

Sick.

[OKHRANA]

27. In the late 80's Bush involvement in the JFK assasination almost came out.

A document from the FBI (through the Freedom of Information Act) came out (available in the internet on some JFK assassination sites).

It was from J.Edgar Hoover, addressed to "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" regarding a "briefing on the JFK assassination," only days after 11/23/63. Hmmm. George Bush was sent copy of briefing by J.Edgar Hoover on the JFK assasination, days after the event...very interesting.

Bush Sr. was asked about it I believe in 1989 by a reporter, and he denied that he ever worked for the CIA prior to 1975 when he became CIA Director. "Who me??" he said.

The CIA then soon came up with a statement that there was another "George Bush" was then employed by the CIA (who left the CIA many years before).

Well, a reporter decided to check this out and finally tracked down the other George Bush, interviewed him, and yes, he did work for the CIA during Nov 63, BUT, this fellow was a very low-level employee in D.C., did not travel, and never had contacts with the FBI or about JFK.

FOR SOME REASON THE MEDIA NEVER REPORTED THIS (but it's in the internet).

And Bush Sr. was involved in the Bay of Pigs operation.

[RUexperienced]

7. Bush? no Ross Perot? Possibly

Maybe its the ears.

[OKHRANA]

13. By the way, there is an interesting story on Ross Perot and the Bushes...

Remember he was running in the Summer of 92 as a third party candidate and doing real well, over 20% in the polls, then suddenly he quit the race??? (only to re-emerge months later but by then it was too late)? Think about it, no third party candidate in his right mind would ever, EVER, quit in the Summer if he's got over 20% in the polls, unless for a very good reason.

Well, I have links, and can provide them if anybody asks for them (try Google first though, as I'll have to dig them up), that alleges / documents that Bush I ordered a CIA hit team to "take care" of Perot and maybe his daughter. Perot found out about it, got the message quick, quit the race and made up a story about why he was quitting (Perot had an intelligence background and knew what he was dealing with). Well, according to Chip Tatum (do a Google) the CIA operative Bush I used, accustomed to doing hits for "national security' in other countries, questioned this one, he knew Perot was a former Marine and hero, and patriot, and refused this one, and warned Perot, refused because he could see this had nothing to do with national security, though by refusing, Tatum greatly endangered his own life and has had to live in hiding ever since, and nobody really knows anymore if he's alive.

Ever notice in years after 92 why Perot so passionately hated Bush I? If you remember his appearances on Larry King for example, it comes through real strong. I understand not liking someone but at the time this was different. At the time I did not know this. Perot just hates Bush I but likes Bush II. Very very interesting.

[jonoboy]

10. I think Icke says he's a reptile !!..with no feelings ! could be true

[librechik]

14. there's always Alternative 3

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/alternative3.html


nowadays I find myself thinking, "I know it's crazy, but it explains so much."

Makes a good metaphor, anyway.

[TomNickell]

15. Right.... Candidate extraterrestrials--

Candidates for extraterrestrials..

Arnie S., Liebermann, Michael Jackson, Osama Bin Laden,

all cats...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

17. excellent disinfo!!

Do you think you could get me a job on the Kerry campaign for the next two months or so?

[OKHRANA]

19. "DISINFO"??? BACK IT UP...

Check the link I provided: http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm

Then hit Ctrl-F and search for "Kerry" on that page. You will see many references to John Kerry, including the following text:

Read below and you will also see that apparently KERRY'S WIFE is also a daughter of a second generation Skulls and Bones initiate. WOW.

The Washington Post broached the subject on 25th February 2000 - 'Shred This After Reading!' Lloyd Grove called the article:

"Before George W. Bush was a good ol' boy, he was a member of Skull and Bones. Author Ron Rosenbaum calls this club "the most powerful of all secret societies in the strange Yale secret-society system." Its roster includes Averell Harriman, Henry Stimson, Henry Luce, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Dubya's dad, former president George Bush. They all engaged in "certain occult rituals of the ruling class," as Rosenbaum writes, in a windowless mausoleum on Yale's New Haven, Conn., campus...."

...Current U.S. senators who are Skull & Bones members:

Sen. Jonathan Bingham (D-N.M.).

Sen. David Boren (D-Okla.) is chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.); Former Navy Secretary and on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Sen. John Heinz (R-Pa.): Recently killed in an airplane crash. was a Bonesman as was his father. The Heinz family has one of the largest food-producing companies in the world.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.): Formerly on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Kerry is now on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. disinfo - tying Russell Trust with *ALIENS*

You know what - we've seen this before. Here's a hint: Russell Trust and S&B have nothing to do with aliens. People who try to associate serious concerns about crimes committed by RTA members with aliens and other nonsense science fiction conspiracy theories are spreading disinfo.

Now who benefits from this disinfo? Bush and Kerry.

So can you get me a job? I'll work cheap! :evilgrin:

[maggrwaggr]

26. Ha! Like you can back up this claim!

Thanks for making us all look like a bunch of paranoid schizophrenic freakezoids.

[rman]

31. back up the ET claims

much of the info on that site (and other similar sites) can by verified by other sources - things like, corporations are ruling the planet and the wide spread deception fraud and corruption that goes with it, globalization being one of the covers, even stuff like illuminati and S&B.

The fact there exists such a thing as Skull and Bones does not equate to many of its members being aliens, or being descendant from aliens.

There's nothing to back up claims about ET's, "fourth lower dimension" or moon landing hoax.

The fact that there are many sites that mix highly controversial conspiracy theories with crackpot pseudo science is, lets say, "interesting". If nothing else it will probably result in many people turning away from any of these issues - now who would benefit from that?

[Cleita]

22. Hey we knew that.

So where is Hell anyway? It could be on another planet.

[Zellscks]

23. Definetly not from my planet

This would explain a few things.

[hedgetrimmer]

24. your wrong! so is icke, if he was right he'd be dead... follow the blood

lines, see what you come up with... try bush, clark bloodlines, happy day.

[OKHRANA]

33. I have to admit, that is a good argument...

Except that once somebody speaks out offensive things against the S&B then he would be in danger unless he passed a certain threshhold where if something happenned to him too many would notice his sudden misfortune and that itself would arouse too much suspicion.

David Icke may have made it there.

[DenverDem]

36. Killing Icke would cannonize him

he's worth a lot more to the conspiracy alive, so they can discredit him, as is happening in this thread, and if he is on to something, then they can use Icke's "crazyness" (note a similar meme in the current campaign) to "disprove" his theory.

Where exactly do the blood lines lead? I'd like to see your research on this. We already know the Bush bloodline leads directly to Nazi facilitators, but where beyond that?

[Sugarbleus]

30. LOL...I just remarked on this the other day

The Bush family and friends are not of this world....THEY ARE POD PEOPLE. Mom's eyes are way too mysterious. Ha Yikes!!

[Q]

34. Uh.....

...nevermind.

[Enraged_Ape]

35. I could seriously get behind this theory...

if astronomers ever discover a planet of the shitbrains.

[seemslikeadream]

37. Denver Airport

Has anyone read what's supposedly going on under there? Goggle it. Bechtel built it, extreme cost over runs, built between the bushes reign, maybe the aliens aren't down there but it would be a good place for selected government people to go in case of another world war. Make sure to check out the shape of the runways and the murals!

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

Here's some good pictures
http://www.thetruthishere.com/denvermurals.html

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/nwodnver.html