Homosexual marriage shot down in OH. New England should secede.

[mrgorth]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/21/marriage.ohio.ap/index.html

<snip>
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- After seven years of debate in the Statehouse, lawmakers are close to passing a law that would keep Ohio from recognizing same-sex marriages and keep some state employees from getting benefits for their domestic partners.
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The country needs to split. Give the conservatives their states and let us have ours.

[Guaranteed]

1. Yup...something bad is coming.

This is ridiculous.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

2. Hell, New England's practically Canada, anyhow.

[Bill McBlueState]

20. western provinces

From what I hear of the Western provinces, would other Canadians be interested in chopping them off?

Ontario, New York, the Atlantic Provinces, and New England would make a great country!

Quebec can fend for itself. They'd be happier that way. ;)

[Screaming Lord Byron]

28. BC, Washington and Idaho would make a great country

As for Alberta, yeah, we're basically Texas. However Saskatchewan and Manitoba are as much Socialist as Conservative.

[KamaAina]

30. Joel Garreau was way ahead of you there

in The Nine Nations of North America. Here's the map:



He attaches Canada's Atlantic Provinces to New England.

Interestingly, writing many years before NAFTA, he views both the Canadian and Mexican borders as nearly as arbitrary as state lines, throwing southern Ontario with the Great Lakes and Mid-Atlantic as "The Foundry", coastal B.C. with the Pacific Northwest as "Ecotopia", and so on.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

34. Urban New England is much more integrated with the Mid-Atlantic

than rural New England. Just follow the Amtrak: Boston/DC Northeast corridor is where a lot of business is done. Rural New England has more in common with upstate NY and rural Canada.

[zanana]

33. Excu-u-u-u-u-u-use me!

Are you saying we have an identity crisis here?

[NewJeffCT]

3. The south would implode

Didn't somebody post a map on here that showed that the states that gave the most to the federal gov't and received the least in return were the states in the Northeast and on the West Coast? If the Bible Belt didn't have the government teat to suck off of and make them fat, they'd never survive...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

39. That's right-our tax money pays for the rest of the country

not exactly fair.

I'm looking for a link that shows that the Northeast and California comprise most of the GNP of the USA. The country would be fucked without us, though I think a lot of Americans would love to get rid of us "elitist Northeast liberals". :eyes:

[i_am_not_john_galt]

4. What would you eat?

"The country needs to split. Give the conservatives their states and let us have ours."

[Screaming Lord Byron]

5. If they joined Canada, we's got plenty o' Bacon and Beer to go 'round.

[mrgorth]

13. There's trade. There's Canada.

[patdem]

14. Does that include butterfly ballots and the felon purge?

seems the farther away you live from your neighbor...the more you are a republican??? What does that tell us...the more anti-social you are the more republican you are???

[cosmicdot]

15. In lieu of the freeper/GOP version of the map you posted ...

[i_am_not_john_galt]

16. That's a cool map - who did it?

Presents a much better reflection of reality. Is there a county-by-county version?

[cosmicdot]

18. I'll have to do some searching ... I had saved it from awhile back ...

[cosmicdot]

22. I've googled a bit ... found these links

not sure if these folks did the red-blue-purple map

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/002678.html
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/001870.html

but, there might be some helpful info there

[Bill McBlueState]

19. what do the colors represent?

I'm assuming redder = more support for Bush
bluer = more support for Gore

but it's hard to tell without a key

[i_am_not_john_galt]

25. Yes, red is bush voters in 2000, blue is gore voters

[AndyTiedye]

24. Is That all the Counties We Have Left?

I didn't know it was that bad.

[dusty64]

36. Yeah, but thats

where most of the people live.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

38. Yup-Population is concentrated on the coasts

The population density from Philly to Boston is the highest in the nation.

[morgan2]

6. sounds unconstitutional

I know there is either some law or part of the constitution about states having to recognizing all legal contracts from other states. I'm fairly sure thats in the constitution, but I'd have to check.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

8. Fair faith and credit

A marriage valid in one state is valid in all.

[cosmicdot]

17. Full Faith and Credit

Interpreting in the red jerseys, we have Scalia, Thomas, O'Conner, Anthony Kennedy and Rehnquist ... whom some have called traitors ...


Article. IV.

Section 1.


Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section 2.


The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Section 3.


New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Section 4.


The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

[Stabidak]

10. But........

A law like that would allow one state to impose its will on ALL states, wouldnt it?

http://pub63.ezboard.com/finformationwarsfrm9

[i_am_not_john_galt]

12. Sure, happens all the time

That's why businesses incorporate in Delaware, for example. Anyone doing business with them does so under the laws of Delaware.

[T Wolf]

7. there are many moments

when I think that this country should split in two. And I have thought about this for a long time.

Organizationally (from a systems approach), it is just too damn big to operate in a fair manner. With any organization (family, company, school, government, etc.), the larger it is the more bureaucratic it has to be to function. And with the larger size comes stratification and that produces differences in power.

The Iowa caucus system works because thery are small. Imagine 25,000 people in an arena or 100,000 in a stadium. Democracy disappears.

With the increasing division in America today, maybe we should just have the people in each state vote which side they want to belong to. Then, the losers have to move to one of the areas they fit better into. It would result in a lot of disruption and hardship, but it beats a civil war.

Also, if you let enough people live under the repukes absolute rule, the truth about them would be evident.

We tend to think that everything will always be as it has been - but change is the natural way of things. America is a little over 200 years old. That's enough.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

9. it's been tried

[i_am_not_john_galt]

11. Actually libertarians

have been plotting to take over a small state govt and try to run the state on libertarian principles.

http://www.freestateproject.org

[NicoleM]

21. I think we should split into regions.

We should remain one nation, but have regional governments for everything except defense.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

27. The genius of the founders, now gone.

That was the original idea of the "states" within the United States, and why they were so concerned with limiting the national government to specific, "enumerated" rights.

[JohnKleeb]

23. yeah and leave people like me in their states

:eyes: You think I wanna live in the Conservative States of America. I cant help it my grandparents moved down here from PA, and dont say why just move because that aint point. Point is, this is all our country, from Alabama to Wyoming.

[AndyTiedye]

26. BushCo Is Turning the US into the United State of Texas

[i_am_not_john_galt]

29. I've been to Texas. It's not pretty.

[Cannikin]

31. We just need to move to some of those key states and vote dem!

[Kathy in Cambridge]

32. The Northeast Should Secede-Esp. When We're Told Our Candidates

are 'unelectable' because they're Yankees, or, to use a loaded Republican term spoken frequently on this board, 'elitist'.

'Elitist' is a code word for Northeast Urban Liberal. Many Dems use it on DU when making the North/South arguments we hear frequently. I am honestly sick of catering to other areas of the country who say 'Yankee' candidates can't get elected. These areas of the country have to get over their prejudices.

[Yupster]

35. I bet army recruitment would go up mightily

in some parts of Georgia if New England seceeded. It would be a long time coming, but it would be revenge time for some families who had their livestock killed and valuables dug up and stolen to up north.

I don't think secession is such a good idea.The southern states had one fourth of their adult white male population dead in four year.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

37. Oh for Christ's sake. The Civil War is Over.

GET OVER IT! It would be like me hating the British for fighting in my backyard (and killing my relatives, mind you).