Is the "Bush Lied" issue dead?

[imhotep]

or are there any more optimists who are still living in denial?
Maybe We should "get over it" (ala Kerry) and "move on"(Clinton) to another potential Bush scandal that he will never be held accountable for.

[linazelle]

1. They're trying to kill it

see my attention deficit disorder thread.

They are bombarding us with all kinds of idiotic news to smother the issue. I hope it will survive the onslaught.

[Stevendsmith]

2. Dammit, it better not be!

I'm tired of these massive abuses vaporizing into thin air.

What the hell?!!

[gratuitous]

3. We'll see

Chimpy as much as admitted today that he is indeed responsible for the words that come out of his mouth. I think that confers a certain amount of culpability on him for launching an illegal invasion of a country that now appears not to have been the immediate threat to the U.S. that he made it out to be.

I'd like to think that there is still some sort of a repercussion for killing thousands of people based on a rationale of lies, half-truths, shadings, and misdirected emphases.

[Poiuyt]

21. The press corps let him off the hook

When Bush said he was responsible for everything he says, the press should have asked him why did he say those things when he knew they weren't true.

The only reason he now said he was responsible is because of all the flack he received for not taking it during the Blair news conference.

[DEMActivist]

4. Like Watergate it will smolder for a while

and then something (can you say CIA leak?) will bring it back to the surface again.

Each leak will become worse and eventually heads will start to roll.

Have no doubt, the CIA agents AND the FBI agents are not finished with this evil cabal.

[mlawson]

9. Yeah, it took a LONG time to get Nixon.

And now we have August (the "Silly Season") upon us. Just hang on and see; there will be more entertainment for us.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. No.

[oasis]

6. Bush has pissed off many on the right as well as the press corps.

It's not over.

Some of the Bush faithful are beginning to have doubts about their Chimperor's credibility. That stain on Bushes spotless honor will not be easily erased with them.

There will continue to be residual "fallout" from the whole Nigergate flap.

[gulliver]

7. No. There's a lot more oil in that well.

Bush side-stepped the Al Qaeda non-link with Iraq in today's press conference. He said something like "It's only been 90 days and David Kay reported to me on how they are reviewing bunches and bunches of documents."

But I doubt anyone missed the problem with that. The problem is that Bush should be able to cite documents already in U.S. possession. Bush claimed with certainty that there was Al Qaeda linkage before the war. Now he's saying, in effect, "We're searching diligently for evidence for what I said a few months ago when I was selling the war." That won't fly.

After that, the whole "28 pages" thing will ripen. Tons of Americans don't know that there were no Iraqi hijackers on 9/11. They don't know that 15 out of 19 were Saudis. They don't know that Saudi money probably bankrolled most of the operation. And they are going to wonder why Bush protected the Saudis. And then why he attacked Iraq.

The Bushies are hanging by a thread now.

[calimary]

8. We can ensure that it stays alive.

As I think Amen1234 put it not long ago - "have you called your congressman today?"

If not, you need to. YOU MUST!

Go to www.congress.org - and you can click to the directory part that will give you the phone numbers and fax/email/snail mail info for ANYBODY on Capitol Hill. Both their local offices and their DC offices.

DO IT! Let them know that the Uday/Qusay orgy didn't change anything. There's too much skullduggery going on.

He MUST be held accountable.

Also, try [e-mail] - to applaud John Roberts' reports. He seems to be one of the few journalists out there who's actually reporting the truth. Let him know he's on the correct track!

[blm]

10. Why do you think gay marriage is on the menu now?

Rove knows THIS will be on the cable shows and talk radio for WEEKS.

[nolat]

11. Did you guys see

his press conference. He will tell us what to think and when to speak. DAMMIT Fall in step or else. You don't want Tom Ridge coming down on you, do you?

[The Lone Liberal]

12. Wow, he stopped lying? Hell is frozen over.

[Catshrink]

13. The morons will say "it's over, let's move on"

and we need to say, "no, Jr. lied to the American people about issues of national security. As a result, thousand of people died. Clinton was impeached for less."

[RichM]

14. Yes. (Clinton helped kill it, too.) It played no role in today's "press

conference." A search of the conference transcript shows that the word "uranium" was used exactly ONCE. This was in the question about Condi, that Bush just blew off. No other reporter had the guts to even attempt to raise the subject.

[LEW]

15. I'm agree with the other poster

that it is on smolder. Everytime a new piece of info comes along or new stories happen, this issue will be brought out over and over. Not dead....

[neuvocat]

16. Nope.

I can tell Bob Graham will keep this in the spotlight.

[ParanoidPat]

17. I don't see how! It was the TOP STORY on tonights CBS EVENING NEWS!

I still see stories DAILY in LBN and my local papers!

I just wonder you mean when you post, "or are there any more optimists who are still living in denial?"

What's up with this thread? is your point? Can you read?

[whoYaCallinAlib]

18. Not dead but barely on life support.

I think it will stay on life support all the way through the election and will not get the media attention it deserves.

[BeFree]

20. Have you seen the tape recently?

The one of the SOTU where, in his best acting performance ever, the Smirk issues forth those most famous 16 words?

Unless all copies of that tape are destroyed, this story will continue simmering to a boil.

[whoYaCallinAlib]

24. Those 16 words are not resonating with the American public.

Or if they are, I don't see it in the polls. Maybe I'm missing something but I think the public at large thinks he probably exagerated or maybe even lied about some of the evidence. Unfortunatly, the public at large seems willing to give him a pass on it and still support the war. Something like 7 out of 10 people STILL think the war was justified even with the Bush lies. Have you seen something different than what I've seen? I hope you have. It makes me sick that Bush didn't have to resign for the SOTU lies.

[Cheesehead]

19. Rest assured that several things are true:

- Bush cannot stop lying. It is pathological. He lied again today in the press conference when he said that he takes responsibility for everything he says. You know he will be called on that, and will lie again or pass the buck any time he is cornered on anything substantial. He will never actually accept blame.

- Anyone who viewed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee grilling of Wolfowitz on Tuesday knows that the jig is up on waffling, spinning and bullshitting in committee hearings. Biden, Chaffee, Boxer, Feigold, etc. know the truth and will not allow unchallenged BS on the record any more. Wolfie has a brand new asshole to prove it.

- Any amount of spinning cannot disprove the fact that the rush to Iraq was based on not one, but several big lies. The uranium (I still don't understand why this was even used as justification since Saddam had no capacity to refine and weaponize yellowcake even if he got his hands on it. Amb. Wilson claims they already had 500 useless tons of the stuff on hand. Remember the story of the looters emptying barrels of radioactive stuff just to get the drums for water storage?), the aluminum tubes, the connection with Al Queda, etc. They are still repeating this stuff even though it was debunked months ago.
Eventually it will haunt them.

- The entire administration is adicted to misleading the citizenry, and cannot stop the process now that the ball is rolling. New lies are required to justify previous prevarication and the whole construct will collapse of its own weight in due time.

Like Bush said in the press conference, "It's ony been 90 days. Give it time."

[tom_paine]

22. Trotsky's "Perpetual Revolution" at work

Goddamn, the little Commie bastard had one hell of an idea!

So good, Uncle Karl, Uncle Dick, and all the rest of the Busheviks have made it their mantra.

[MrPrax]

23. No Way...it's Summer

The issue will never go away until the US leaves Iraq...the economy and every dead American will evoke the question? Why are we there?
It's actually worst than Vietnam because you can't simply attack someone as 'being a Com Sym'
It is interwined with every foreign policy decision...anytime NK or Iran or Syria or whoever...questions will be raised and the bar is that much higher...
Face it...on Feb 5/03 Powell went to the UN and gave a presentation in which NOTHING was correct...period
And the admin topped it arrogance off with--your irrelevent.
It won't go away...

[Pepperbelly]

25. the '16 little words' defense is what took its steam ...

and the press, in their usual fashion, chased after that one stupid line while simulaneously ignoring the elephant sitting in the national living room.

They forced the focus to that one line ... concentrating on those few little words, and never would show the folk the forest.

[killbotfactory]

26. We killed Saddam's family. Case closed!

Nothing to see here! Go away!

[BuckeFushe]

27. You'll have to pry the Constitution from my cold, dead fingers first.

George Tenet accepted responsibility for the "16 words".

Stephen Hadley accepted responsibility for the "16 words".

Condi "Rice-a-Roni" reluctantly tried to accept responsibility for the "16 words" yesterday: "I certainly feel personal responsibility for this entire episode,".

In only the ninth press conference of his term (Clinton 33, Bush Sr. 61 at a comparable point ), GWB uttered these words to attempt to take the heat off his minions:

"I take responsibility for everything I say, of course. Absolutely."

GWB decided yesterday (after everyone had fallen on their swords without belief) that he should take responsibility for the "16 words".

He should have done it from the beginning.

A few days ago, nobody was responsible; they were all passing the buck. How inconvenient that the closest thing they had to evidence, turned out to be a fraud.

He has compromised the nation's credibility by the use of questionable intelligence information to justify war and "cover" for the incompetency of his minions.