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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:12 PM
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Democrats might as well have not responded
Pelosi's botox eyes were too evident. Daschle looked better but he said nothing. Very rarely do I agree with that spitting serpent Matthews but he has brought up a list of items (including Iraq) and empty promises from last year that the Dem response didn't touch. They should have done so much better.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:18 PM
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1. I thought they did a good job of pointing out that only 3% of imports
are inspected in the ports. They basically pointed out all the failures of the administration's war on terror. Besides the rather dull delivery, there message I thought was pretty good. They pointed out alot of failures and offered reasonable, sensible solutions. They probably had to respond with some caution because we are constantly being told how "popular" the chimp is. We all recognized the chimp would get a boost after the speech so that probably had a huge effect on their response.

I didn't think it was that bad.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:21 PM
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3. What works against Bush is attack
playing nice or fearing his "popularity" only leads to defeat. The Dems did this for a full year after Sept 11 and look what it got them. Bush isn't that popular (at best 50-55%) so why are Dems chickening out. Its one thing for Kerry, Dean, Clark et al to attack his flawed promises....but it sure would help if our "leaders" did so on national TV.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:27 PM
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7. I agree whole heartedly, I think they just used some caution
and didn't attack RIGHT AFTER the SOTU. It would have added to the argument that dems are just political and * is "above the fray". You know, all that BS. In my opinion, he will get a bump in the polls, let that sit for awhile, then attack. Of course with the candidates attacking right now in NH. I think they took the right course on this one.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:37 PM
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12. Democrats have to smash the public persona of Bush
and they won't do that by being nice and civil. They have to treat Bush with the same viciousness that Newt used on Clinton.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 02:01 AM
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15. It didn't work too well for Newt
did it?

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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:23 PM
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4. I think we all appreciated the fact that Dean was standing up to
Bush, but it was only last night that he came in third in Iowa. Do you think the fact that Dean lost made Pelosi more cautious? I don't think Daschle is capable of being animated.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:29 PM
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8. Not necessarily, I just think it wouldn't look good to do a full on
frontal assault right after the SOTU (see post above). The way the dems are treated by the media, it probably would've hurt them.
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:33 PM
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10. The Media

The Media would criticize them either way. Better to deserve the criticism.

This is just like Gore turning into a jellyfish after people found him too "agressive". No, if they say your too agressive that means your making an impact. Attack HARDER!!!!!

Pelosi and Daschle are both embarassments. They are just the type of Democrat that the media likes.

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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:36 PM
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11. I didn't hear them criticized by the media tonight
and of course the local RW nutty radio shows don't count tomorrow. I heard Mark Sheilds say it was one of the best rebuttles he's ever heard.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 02:03 AM
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16. It's hard for any opposition
after the SOTU. There's all the pomp and applause, and then there you are following sitting in a room by yourself. I think all responses have been weak in my memory.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:21 PM
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2. I didn't think it was bad.
Not great, but they're not in power. Pelosi has white teeth and that's all I saw.
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:23 PM
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5. they seemed good on radio, if that's any encouragement.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:25 PM
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6. Pelosi and Daschle were excellent...but Pellosi does look a bit scary
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:32 PM
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9. Did Shrub Bring Up Osama Bin Laden? -NT-
Whats the deal with this "Daschle didn't mention Iraq" thing?

Jay
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:38 PM
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13. No, Pelosi did the foreign policy statements and Daschle did the
domestic. Therefor, he wouldn't have mentioned Iraq.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:46 PM
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14. I wasn't so unhappy with dems..
Yeah, if it were me, I'd have been "booing" from the gallery or have everyone raise anti-policy placards after each vile sentence "he" spoke.

Pelosi I like well enough...Boxer I like even better (from Calif.) Daschle, on the other hand, is a weenie. There he was walking in right behind the punk smiling and laughing la la la laalalalalalaal all the way to his seat. BUT, when the entire left side of the aisle refused to stand up at MOST of "his" outrageous proposals etc. I was pleased. Gotta remember, we are out numbered in congress and the right wing does eat it's young.........yikes!

I thought Ted K was pretty much tied in knots while listening to the diatribe by "the punk". All is not lost yet but I am sick to my stomach after that blabber fest.

Hey folks, we have to get this devil out no matter who wins the nomination. Let's roll............... :bounce:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:02 AM
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17. An appropriate respone
Ladies & Gentlemen:

Mr Bush is leading our country (and the rest of the world) right down the crapper..

The only people "better off" now are rich people..

Everything has gotten progressively worse since this loser had his Daddy's pals select him..

Enough's enough..

He's gotta go !!

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:08 PM
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18. did anyone bring up Mad Cow, Ann Veneman, the FDA, deregulation?
and, how such infrastructure is what taxes help to pay for and protect our health and lives?

and, what the GOP wants less of ... let them regulate themselves?
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 03:17 PM
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19. Sure, the delivery stunk, but...
I thought exposing Bush*'s tax cuts as "invisible tax increases" on the middle class was pretty effective.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:24 PM
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20. they missed the mark
mostly on energy and engaging personalities.
they were flat -- and rehearsed nearly enough.
the response should always be vigorous and this wasn't.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:00 PM
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21. Yeah she was scarry but Tom did well!
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