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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:05 PM
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Professor protests U.S. fingerprinting policy (refuses job)
Past the sell-by date for LBN, so it's here.
http://1010wins.com/topstories/winstopstories_story_017152516.html

Jan 17, 2004 3:22 pm US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) (NEW YORK) An Italian professor of philosophy and aesthetics has canceled plans to teach at New York University because of the United States' new policy of photographing and fingerprinting foreign visitors.

Giorgio Agamben, a professor at the University of Verona, compared the new policy to being tattooed at concentration camps in a Jan. 8 article in La Repubblica, an Italian daily newspaper.

"I only want to suggest that it is probable that the tattooing at Auschwitz appeared like the most 'normal' and economic way to regulate the registration of deportees in the camp," Agamben wrote. "The biopolitical tattooing that today is being imposed on us to enter the United States is the start of a relay race of what tomorrow they could make us accept as normal registration of the identity of the good citizen in the mechanisms and gears of the state."

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Big_AJ Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:16 PM
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1. That's nice
he won't be teaching those attitudes here.

AJ
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:32 PM
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3. Yes, let's keep our eyes closed tightly!
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Big_AJ Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 07:11 PM
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9. And just ignore ...
our nation's being compared to Nazi Germany.

AJ
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 07:23 PM
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11.  And st ick your head in the sand when all the comparisons made to date
Edited on Sun Jan-18-04 07:24 PM by TankLV
are extremely valid.

Care to name just one single thing that is being said in the comparisons that is not true!

Can you not see that this is exactly as the professor says?

OK, I'll give you an easy one. Just name one thing that this professor lists as a comparison that is not valid?

"Your papers please."
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Big_AJ Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 11:43 PM
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13. Since he's Italian
he must know Facism - since an Italian invented it!
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 08:25 PM
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12. You're right, he should have mention Mussolini, as well
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 11:51 PM
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15. just wait
it is becoming more like it every day! Four more years of Bush will all but guarantee it. I am glad that professor did what he did. Someone has to start standing up to these assholes.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:38 PM
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5. Hmmmm.
If you can't see what's happening right now in our own country, I would suggest you look around. Take a look at our archives- I'll even search terms of your choice for you so I can PM you the URLs to pages here with linked articles to, for example, sources discussing how the PATRIOT Act curtail Constitutional freedoms- and see things that were reported in the mainstream media such as what this man is talking about.

Your adage may be, "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about." Mine happens to be, "If I've done nothing wrong, 'they' do not have the right to surveil upon me."

Please PM me if you'd like me to search for articles from our archives for you. It just might open your eyes a bit.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 04:20 PM
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7. that's right, can't be questioning the Bush regime's crackdown...
can't be allowing people to actually THINK about what the Bush regime is doing...

Just salute and bend over.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:25 PM
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2. thank you Giorgio Agamben for defending liberty

an Italian with spine
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:37 PM
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4. I know other professors from Europe
who are not even political in any way, btw, and are the blond haired, blue-eyed "safe" looking Europeans.

who do not want to come to the United States anymore because of the Bush regime.

In other nations in which repressive regimes gained power, this same brain drain was also a feature...people don't want to go to such places.

The impact of Bush's total war on all levels of our society is staggering, actually, when you consider that the War College and all sorts of other people are on record as noting that a "War on Terror" is impossible and unsustainable and, frankly, stupid because it diverts resources from ways to truly fight terrorism, via sharing intelligence and increasing the ability to infiltrate terrorist cells to stop any planned acts.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 03:45 PM
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6. Is he a lonely fighter?
I admire his courage. My German newspaper printed his article.

But I wonder if he is the only one with access to the public who voices his critical opinion, whereas the rest says, ok, after all, the US have to fight terrorism, and if they had these procedures in 2001, some 9/11 terrorists would have been caught earlier (which is bs).
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Big_AJ Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 07:17 PM
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10. What courage
did it take to refuse a job in the US because he doesn't like the immigration procedures?
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 04:30 PM
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8. "biopolitical tattooing"
That should make the fundie freepers think twice. Sounds sort of like the "mark of the beast" in Revelations, doesn't it?

I like the way this gentleman thinks. Resistance is not futile.
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Big_AJ Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 11:45 PM
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14. "biopolitical tattooing"
Just make up a scary, silly term and it's an argument for a position totally bereft of evidence.

AJ
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 11:54 PM
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16. Sorry, I disagree... The comparison with Aushwitz is silly.
The fact that he can refuse to come to the US paradoxically proves that he is free to come here if he wants and free not to if he does not want to. Not a big deal. People who would be happy and willing to teach at NYU are a dime a dozen. He should probably spend his time talking about they way Berlusconi has been eroding democracy in Italy rather than making silly statements like the above.
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