Ask Ralph Nader not to run this year. (Easy form).

[Eric J in MN]

Nader will announce next month if he will run as an independent this year.

Please fill out this quick form to ask Nader not to run in 2004.

http://www.naderexplore04.com/survey/survey_start.php

[KG]

1. why are democrats so afraid of nader?

if they were a real opposition party with a real message for voters, ol' ralph would be irrelevant.

[Lindacooks]

3. I'm afraid of him

because the votes he claimed in 2000 gave the election to Bush. Or, gave Bush the opportunity to steal the election with the Supreme Court's assistance. It's as simple as that.

I've got a question for those of you who 'traded' votes in 2000. If your state was going to go for Gore no matter what, so you voted for Nader and 'traded' votes with someone in another state who would vote for Gore, how can you be absolutely positive that person even voted for Gore?? The only way to make sure that your vote is counted as you want it to (assuming Repukes don't cheat on BBV) is to vote yourself.

[mermaid]

4. Because He Will Pull Some of the Fringe

Like Kucinich supporters, who we need to rally behind the ABB effort, and get Bush the hell out of the White House!

NO=ONE who would vote Repuke would EVER vote for Nader...but there are Dems who would...and that is scary! We need EVERY VOTE WE CAN GET right now, to kick Bush out of the White House.

Do YOU want another four years of Bush??

I swear Nader must hate his country, and his countrymen. He screwed us in 2000...now he's looking to screw us AGAIN in 2004.

"Consumer advocate" my left clavicle!!

If he WERE a consumer advocte, he would know that nothing in the world is more critical right now than getting Bush OUT of the White House!!

We fear Nader for the same reason Poppy feared Perot.

Perot was a spoiler in 92 and 96. Without Perot, things might've been a lot different!

[ulysses]

29. ...Some of the Fringe Like Kucinich supporters...

How's the ally-making rhetoric working for you?

[icymist]

31. Normally I'd vote for Nader, but this year I'll vote Democrat

even with my extreme beliefs. Don't get me wrong, you guys, I'll still vote green over dem..... It's the most liberal party..... The fact here is.. I want Bush out of office, much the same as everyone else! We need to claim-back the word Liberal! Liberals unite! Together we can make our country a place where sane discussion can shape the direction we go politically!

[Ardee]

17. Bravo KG

The Nader meme is an excuse by which "loyal"democrats can avoid seeing the inherent weaknesses of their current leadership, the lack of uniformity in opposing Bush and the absence of any coherent rallying points.

To blame a man who excercised his constitutional rights of free speech, whose words hit too close to home and make democrats uncomfortable and who got all of 2.74% of the vote is easier than doing the hard work of self appraisal....pity.

[mermaid]

2. I Filled It Out

And every chance I got I implored Nader to not run!

My top three issues, on his questionairre (I wrote them all in) were

1. Getting rid of Bush
2. Getting rid of Bush
3. Getting rid of Bush!!!!

[UTUSN]

5. He Don't Care What We (or Anybody) Think

There was another one going around a month or two ago. I put the same things on mine back then. He's still at it. He's purity-gone-wrong. As SHAKESPEARE said, "Lillies that fester smell much worse than weeds."

[Eric J in MN]

7. Maybe, but the poll only takes a minute to fill out, so

Maybe, but the poll only takes a minute to fill out, so might as well.

[calimary]

13. I did something similar. #1 was Get bush OUT! #2 was Get Dems IN!

#3 was environmental protection. And in the comments part, I said I sincerely hoped they WOULD call me, so I could tell them in person how badly I want Ralph to stop this shit, and how pissed I am at him for ruining our country and allowing bush to steal the White House.

And for everybody who wants to do that "send a message" shit, that's what it is. SHIT. OKAY? It's shit. It doesn't help. It doesn't send any message at all, it just helps the bad guys win. And THAT is the only "message" they'll get.

And for anybody who says it wasn't Nader at all, it was Gore's running a crappy campaign, that's shit, too. Yes, Gore ran a crappy campaign. Donna Brazile ought to spend the rest of her life doing MAJOR sackcloth-and-ashes penance for the shameful, pansy-ass campaign she ran for him. BUT THE FACT REMAINS: GORE GOT THE MOST VOTES. OKAY? EVEN WITH THAT SUPPOSEDLY LOUSY CAMPAIGN. OKAY? And if you added up Gore's MAJORITY votes, AND those that Ralphie siphoned away, we would have had enough of a solid, undeniable, unfuckable margin of victory that the bush people would NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO STEAL.

GOT IT?

[Eric J in MN]

6. I think it was reasonable for someone in the year 2000 to predict that

I think it was reasonable for someone in the year 2000 to predict that a Gore Presidency wouldn't be very different from a George W. Bush Presidency.

But now know that such a prediction was completely wrong, and we also know that ANY of the 8 Democrats, even Lieberman, would be extremely different from George W.

Please fill out this quick form to ask Nader not to run in 2004.

http://www.naderexplore04.com/survey/survey_start.php

[UTUSN]

8. O.K., Just Because You Asked - My Comments on the Form:

"I grew up with the image of NADER as being that of wonderful idealist. With the 2000 Campaign, he has been trading off of that image for a shrunken shell of "purity" that helped the BUSH forces of evil to prevail. As SHAKESPEARE said, 'Lillies that fester smell far worse than weeds.' "

[Skittles]

15. it was NOT reasonable in 2000

I got the CHILLS when I realized republicans were running this mornic, incompentent PIECE OF SHIT for president. It did NOT take a crystal ball to know the consequences would be DIRE.

[FreakinDJ]

9. Nader SUCKs

The guy is funded by the Free Republic I swear. Is he stupid enough to believe he is any thing more then a spoiler for the democrats.

The problem is he feels unless he can run the Dem party then he might as well destroy any chances we have to form real opposition to Bush in 04

If Ralph really wanted to do some thing in the interest of the causes he supposedly supports then he would ralley his support behind the Dem candidate and use that to secure a position in the administration.

But NO he rather play the Republican game SPOIL the election for the Dems and RAKE IN tons of CASH.

NADER SOLD OUT

[laura888]

10. All 38,000 DU members should tell Ralph...

..."please stay home."

[chemp]

11. my response

The Republican party, and their Talk Radio co-horts are gleefully talking of your running.
Due to your standing from the last election, the Democratic party paid notice. Most of the candidates are using talking points reflective of the left wing base of the party.
This country cannot survive four more years of Bush. He must go. We need a unifying front against the dangers of King George. Independent voters, Greens, and Democrats MUST put their differences aside and unite against the Bush Presidency.
Greens should focus on building their base. Locally. Get Greens elected into town and City Halls. State Senate and Representative positions. Target Conservative Democrats already elected locally.
This country will be better off with a strong third party. A third party will change election laws created for a two party system. But the Greens need to develop slowly.
Follow the example of the Cristian Right. They started local, targeting school boards and the like. Greens should do the same. Once they win more local elections, they can focus on the national scene.
You yourself should target a Senate or House seat. Build your experience in national matters. Create your voice from within the system and change the system from there.

[Eric J in MN]

12. Good reply. I agree the Greens should stay local for now (nt)

nt

[lovedems]

14. I wanted to write cuss words in all capital letters

asking his what in the fu#k did he think he was doing? Don't worry, I didn't, I was polite. I just stated like everyone else, WE NEED TO GET BOZO THE CLOWN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!

[Eric J in MN]

16. kick

kick

[Ardee]

18. stop bashing Nader and start fixing the democratic party

http://www.umich.edu/~michind/84/nader.html

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But even with those points aside, the hatchet truly comes down in Florida. Sure, its safe to say that without Nader many of his 97,000 votes would have voted for Gore, thereby assuring his victory. But Nader is only a small piece of the puzzle. What happened to Clinton's easy victory in 1996? It cannot be that all of these formerly Democratic voters were captured by Nader, who after all the hoopla walked away with a meager 3 percent of the national vote. Other demographics must have been responsible for Gore's defeat, and in fact the voting demographics show this to be the case.

Despite Bush's threats to criminalize abortion, Gore lost among white women in Florida. Gore also lost among the seniors in that state, who were apparently undeterred by his opponent's ideas about privatizing social security. Nader support in both groups was negligible. Both of these were crucial demographics which Clinton carried in 1996 and Gore should have carried in this election. And despite the notion that all those Nader votes would have easily gone to Gore, exit poll data shows that self-identified "Democrats" were 12 (!) times more likely to vote for Bush then for Nader. What that says about the Nader campaign is downright saddening, but that's not the point. Incomprehensibly, sixteen percent of self-described Florida "liberals" voted for Bush, representing 3% of the state vote, and this demographic alone is larger than Nader's 2 percent in that state. Clearly, when your core supporters turn to the GOP candidate, the Green party cannot be at fault. There is one person to blame for Gore's failure, and that is Gore himself.

[UTUSN]

19. More Efficacious to Stop Bashing Dem Party and Fix NADIR n/t

[Terwilliger]

20. you really think so?

Does that mean Nader had MORE influence than you people like to claim?

[UTUSN]

25. Neh, He's Just an Irritating Shell of His Past Ideals

Just a hardened artery through which what's left of his ideals have less and less passage through.

[Terwilliger]

26. And which of his ideals are now in ruin?

Please...you seem to be an authority on the subject...

[UTUSN]

27. Just Opinionating, Like Everybody Else, no? n/t

[lumpy]

23. I had no problem filling out the questions.

I expressed my opinion that while I respect Nader for his past work it would be the PATRIOTIC thing to NOT run this time since his chances of winning are very slim and Bush has to be drummed out of the WH and the Dems have a better chance.

[mermaid]

32. Ahhhh...but you forget...

Perot was a spoiler for Dole in 96.

We didn't have a Perot spoiler in 2000...so all the disaffeted Republicans who voted Perot in 96, solidly voted Bush in 2000.

[Terwilliger]

21. Ralph Nader should run, and here's why

Whether the Dem nom is John Kerry, Howard Dean, or Wesley Clark, the media will paint that person as a far-leftists out of touch with American mainstream, and they can sell that to a sheeple public.

If Ralph runs, and Dems embrace his candidacy, it would be hard to depict the Dem as so far to the left with a real left-leaning candidate in the race.

I don't think any of this will happen due to crappy decision-making on the part of Dems, but it's a good idea and the leadership should explore allying with Nader rather than making a further enemy of him.

And before you idiots respond, don't. Speak to the subject or take your crap to the anti-Clark, anti-Dean, anti-Kerry threads.

[mdmc]

22. Run Ralph, but only if

Kucinich loses the primary. America deserves an end to the drug war + death penalty candidate.

[Terwilliger]

24. you don't think Kucinich will win the primary, do you?

:shrug:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

28. Done

I wouldn't have asked in 2000 but I had no idea, then, the atrocities of this administration.

[bif]

30. Did it! Thanks for the alert.

We don't need him screwing up another election.

[The Night Owl]

33. I have no problem whatsoever with Nader running, but...

... only if he drops out right before the voting starts.

Of course, Nader's ego will never allow him to drop out.

I will never forgive Nader for what he did to America in 2000. There was no reason whatsoever for him to stay in the race until the end.

:kick: Nader

[TokenDemocrat]

34. I'm sure the Bush campaign would be happy to fund Nader's run too

[NicRic]

35. Maybe we should ask Perot to run instead, LOL !

It would be great to have someone from the right run a thrid party bid for the White House ! Now we are so closley devided ,I fear another stolen election ! CLARK 2004 !

[Eric J in MN]

38. Absolutely. How can we contact Ross Perot and ask him to run? (nt)

nt

[Hubert Flottz]

36. Done!

Let's save the patient first Ralph and then we can do the plastic surgery later! No use trying to do cosmetic surgery on a dead democracy!

[DennisReveni]

37. Maybe Bernie influenced him.

I know Bernie was against the war. There seemed to be a schism of sorts between the two on the subject.
Maybe Imus finally listened to what Bernie had to say.

[Eric J in MN]

39. kick

kick