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[chimpymustgo]

1. Gore will CREAM *. Rampant buyer's remorse.

And sense of justice.

[prolesunited]

2. No flames here

I agree with you. One of the problems is that they already have propagandized the perception of him as stiff, boring, and a liar. All they would have to is throw a few codewords out there and all of the negative associations come flooding back, such as he invented the Internet. None of it's true, but it is the reality of the situation.

With another candidate, virtually unknown at the national level, it would take time to build the smear campaign against them and program in the negative connotations. With Gore, all of the background noise already is established.

It may not be fair, but we have to be pragmatic at this point.

[ewagner]

3. Wisely

Wisely Gore announced he wouldn't run because the campaign would be about the past and not the future. That proved that the man has much better judgement than the _______ we have in the White House now!

[tjdee]

Nope--his "I told you so" is the only one that will work.

I'm not a fan of "I told you sos", but Gore has a unique position and without saying too much can make Bush look like an utter fool.

*If* he takes the gloves off as he promised to do, and acts like he's been acting since the day he conceded.

*This* Al Gore can fairly easily get past the "oh, you said you weren't going to run" thing.

Like Clark though, I hate all this spinning of wheels. If he's going to do it, he should do it before September/October.

Methinks the DNC feels like a bunch of assholes for dumping him, as they should, and are now trying to get him back in. I think Terry and co. may be slightly in a panic, and are trying to woo whomever they can!

I don't think he's going to run though.

[JI7]

4. "the clinton stigma"

i hear al gore had some horrible advisor and pollster who gave bad advice to gore in the campaign. he told gore to stay away from clinton (including his policy record) and play the family values thing which was what got him to get joe lieberman as vp. the democrats play into right wingers strategy by allowing them to attack clinton on monica lewinsky and associating other democrats with it by their strategy of totally distancing from clinton. what they should do is use clinton's times and the economy and overall good during those days in their campaign. since the right wing will use the "negative" to attack, the democrats should embrace the positive for themselves. the right wing would like for the democrats to not bring up the better times. in the end those who vote based on clinton and sex will not vote for democrats no matter what, but the less ideological and independents and moderates will think of the better times when voting.

[Drifter]

5. There seemed to be a big ...

"Aren't you thankful AWOL was pResident rather than Gore during 9/11?". Unfortunately this was probably the case for swinger voters (uninformed, not associated with a party). I read recently where the swing voters are swinging away from AWOL because of the mess in Iraq. They have had enough.

I honestly think many who were once "Thankful" for AWOL during 9/11, are now pondering what might have been if corrupt partian members of the Supreme Court didn't over throw the US Government by installing Idiot Boy. We definitely wouldn't be in the mess we are in now, and 9/11 may have prevented.

Cheers
Drifter

edit: spell

[Videlicet03]

6. Gore harmed himself by now bowing out gracefully in 2000

IMHO. Joe should have been the top guy. Gore is a much better second banana.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Joe

Lieberman is George Bush without the big belt buckle

[Videlicet03]

13. No, Joe's IQ is 100 pts higher

for starters. Lieberman is the only one out there not ranting. He is the only Dem who can win

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. 100 Points Higher Than Al Gore

I'd like to see that.

Gore had a SAT in the high 1300s.

That prolly put him in the top 10-15% of Americans.

Lieberman is the worst candidate and it has nothing to do with his positions.

He lacks passion

He lacks fire

Everytime I watch him I cringe.


He lost a debate to the robotic Dick Cheney. If that was me. I wouldn't have run for president in the next election. I would have found a disguise.

[Videlicet03]

24. No 100 pts higher than Shrub.

Well, it was a mistake to debate Cheney. He is so quick at the draw. But debating skill isn't what makes a great president is it? No.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Don't Want To Bash Joe

I just think he is not an effective challenger to Bush.

For starters, welcome to Democrat Underground. I don't want you to lose your enthusiasm. Some times I feel the Democrats are a vanishing species. I want to embrace every one I meet

Bush is the incumbent. For the Dems to have a shot he must be destroyed in the debate the way Carter destroyed Ford and the way Reagan destroyed Carter.

Sorry Carter fans, substance or not, it was devestating to see Ronny say "there you go again" to a demoralized Carter.

I don't think Joe is an effective campaigner. This is from someone who stood in the sweltering October Orlando heat at the Lake Eola Bansdhell heat with my mom in a wheel chair to see Gore and Lieberman. He doesn't have it.

[Terwilliger]

22. he's the only Dem that will assure the dissolution of the Democratic party

because if he ends up the nominee...fully half of the party will go Green. Or more.

[Videlicet03]

25. No way in hell

'half the party would go Green'. You have to be cognizant of where America is one the political spectrum today. You aren't going to win with a flame-throwing liberal today. When is the last time one won the presidency? When is the last time an outspoken liberal made it even close?? You gotta be smart. A calm rational centrist to highlight the Drugstore Cowboy's reckless bravado is what will carry the day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Sympathetic

I agree with your diagnosis but not your prescription

If you want a centrist candidate that can beat Bush go with Gephardt, Edwards ,or Graham

And Graham even opposed the war but his centrist bonafides gave him the political lee way to do it

They all have a better shot than Lieberman but I am not in the mood to catalogue them now. They also have liabilities that I am not in the mood to catalogue.

If you want a traditional liberal go with John Kerry. He's to the left of the electorate but his cool demeanor and war heroics gives him credibility with the American people.

[drdigi420]

31. Lieberman is a republican

pretending to be a democrat.

We already have a religious nutball in teh WH, don't need another.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Read This Thread I'm Not A Joe Fan

but he's not a Republican.

He's prolly close to a Scoop Jackson Democrat. Totally hawkish on national defense. Hell he was to the right of Nixon on defense.



Joe supports:

affirmative action

gay rights

a women's choice to an abortion

a strong safety net

I just don't think he's electable.

[Monte Carlo]

7. Gore needs to wait for the next election...

... to make a serious run for a national office. He has publicly committed himself to stay out of this election, which would make him stumble in the race right from the start. Personally, I do not believe he is ready to withstand the onslaught of smear attacks that WILL come at him from every angle, nor do I believe he can unite the Democrats in the way that they will need to be united to oust Bush. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

[Videlicet03]

35. All Gore has to do is stop all the phoney shit

This is his biggest downfall. He feels the need to ingratiate himself with an audience by coming up with some big boner of a story. I have know idea why he has this tendency. He certainly doesn't need to embellish. His biggest problem is that he can't be himself. He always tries to be this persona or that, whether it be the tough guy persona (Remember when he sidled up to Bush in the first debate like he was going to coldcock him? When Bush did that exaggerated wince, that was the end of Gore in that debate), the black preacher persona (That phoney growl on the stump speeches he does has got to go) or the folksy "I'm just a hard-workin farmer-businessman like you" ordinary Joe persona. Why can't he just be the funny, dry, self-deprecating, friendly guy he really is??

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. maybe he's all those people

[Videlicet03]

37. I like you DemocratSinceBirth

You disagree in a friendly way without insulting.

[Videlicet03]

38. I like you DemocratSinceBirth

You disagree in a friendly way without insulting.

[Kahuna]

8. I love Gore. But I'm still clinging to.

Clark entering the race because I think he has the best chance of ousting the bushistas. I don't care who wins in '04 as long as it isn't bush.

I think Gore would make a fabulous attorney general. Think of the possibilities. :evilgrin:

[searchingforlight]

14. An idea that had never occurred to me but good call.

[JI7]

15. i don't think gore is an attorney

although i'm not sure one needs to be a lawyer to get the job so maybe he can still do it. i hear you don't need to have passed the bar or have a legal degree to get on the supreme court, although those who do get on have them.

[dwillison]

17. The attorney general is in effect the peoples lawyer. Probably

should have at least passed the bar.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. We Had A Race In FL

the dem candidate for AG got the highest score in the history of the test

the puke failed it the first time

the puke won

but at least that Dem is now the mayor of Orlando

Orlando, Florida is a Democratic mayor

Miami too

[ArkDem]

23. You are the KING of

understatement.:evilgrin:

[bowens43]

9. No flames, I agree 100%

Gore should have won decisively in 2000. He had everything in his favor and he blew it. the idiot is a much stronger candidate now then in 2000 and gore is a much weaker candidate. republicans are probably down on their knees every night praying that gore becomes the candidate. He doesn't have what it takes to overcome his political baggage. There are far to many negatives real or perceived for gore to win in 04.

[procopia]

21. Not really

Bush isn't really a stronger candidate than he was in 2000; he has continued to destroy everything he touches. My worry is that Gore realized he couldn't beat the heavily financed GOP smear machine and GOP-owned voting machines, and that no one else can either.

[salin]

11. Er... what makes you think any dem WON'T get completely trashed

by the press?

I think we just need to recognize that is the NEW reality. Any democratic candidate is going to be trashed unmercifully and untruthfully and unceasingly.

In this sense, the only disadvantage for Gore is that the press already has a head start (they can/will pick up where they left off).

But if someone is or isn't supporting a candidate because of how the press MIGHT act... wake up! They are GOING to act that way regardless.

The best candidate/campaign will recognize it - work from the presumption it will happen, and build a strategy from there. It is the new reality.

[LiberalLibra]

12. Sounds like a DU version of reverse psychology to me......

....I think every DUer knows that Gore, if he ran his own campaign his own way, could leave Bush in his dust. It just amazes me that DUer's claim to want Democrats in power and yet will spend days bashing every Democrat instead of finding new and more creative ways to telling the truth about Bush. If I was of the :tinfoilhat: crowd I'd say that FR was expanding its horizons these days.

[Q]

16. Gore would run and win...

...but the Democratic party is too divided to grasp that reality.

- I just might officially leave the Dem party if Bush* 'wins' in 2004. The party just can't survive with so many REPUBLICANS in their ranks.

- Been a Dem for 30 years...and never have I seen them so weak and rudderless. They threw away their rudder (Gore) and now they seem lost as to why they can't steer a straight course.

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. Gore did everyone a big favor

by stepping back when he did. By doing this, he allowed the public debate that is occurring right now, to happen. If he had stayed in, the media would have focused on him and it would be much, much harder for America to find out the truth about this misadministration.

Instead, we now have 9+ candidates, who are all over the media stating their positions and their opposition to W. Just in case, you haven't noticed it is finally acceptable to criticize W.

I am sure by Sept - Oct, both Gore and Clark will make up their minds and maybe the dems will have a real dream team for 2004.

[Terwilliger]

20. I don't agree

however, Al Gore would have to SHED his association with the Democratic Loser Collective

[Gringo]

27. Note a Gore fan, but

I'd vote for him as a nominee, and he might just have a good chance in a rematch. Honestly, I fail to understand all the Gore-bashing, just as I fail to understand all the folks who want him so badly to be our "savior" in '04. He's no better or worse than the others, IMO. He did, however win the 2000 election, and he may be able to do so with a wider margin in '04.

Whoever is the non-Lieberman nominee in '04, I'm confident that all democrats will stage an unprecedented effort in terms of volunteer work, grassroots organization, and small-amount fundraising to blow that motherfucker Bush back to his play-ranch in Texas. For me the priomaries are a tiny formality. I'll vote for my guy, then fight like hell for the non-Lieberman nominee. I was never involved in politics before 2000, and you can bet your bottom dollar that there are a LOT of others like me. The nominee is going to be SHOCKED by the huge, adoring crowds and massive support he is going to get. The resentment against Bush and his policies is so massive and palpable wherever I go.

[displacedtexan]

28. if you're right,...

it would be the first gore loss to *!
i somehow doubt your prediction is correct. do you think that the 500+ vote margin in florida remains unchanged?

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. Gore won Florida

by a lot more than 500 votes. It was more like between 10,000 - 20,000 votes. However, most of the ballots where the person punched Gore/Lieberman and also wrote in Gore were thrown out has overvotes. With the overvote ballots, the intent of the voter was very clear but they were thrown away anyway.

[whoYaCallinAlib]

32. I agree with you.

Gore won by at least several thousand votes. And if they allow felons who have served their sentences to vote, Gore will win even bigger in '04.

[GOPBasher]

34. I think it depends on the economy in 2004.

If the economy is still in the crapper by the summer of election year, I don't care how much the media smears him or how much money the right wingers would have. Gore's campaign slogan could be, "See, I told you so!"

[ObaMania]

40. B.S.!

.. I think he'd energize the DEM base and get people out to vote so they don't get screwed again!

If my thesis is incorrect, then there is absolutely no hope for the DEMs.