BCCI UK lawsuit: Harry S Truman private documents 'available'

[emad]

As yet unreported in the media, the testimony of the Head of UN Military Intelligence - a Field Marshal who outranks Secretary-General Kofi Annan and all UN Security Council officers - is believed to be providing in depth evidence on behalf of the 6,500 UK creditors who are suing the Bank of England for £1 billion in the misfeasance lawsuit in London's Royal Courts of Justice. Further, much of the background of this evidence is derived from documents and private papers entrusted to this Field Marshal by the late President Harry S Truman shortly before his death in December 1972, following his unease with the findings of the Warren Commission investigating JFK's assasination in Dallas 1963.

Quotable information from this sub-judice material alleges that in the 1960s, the notorious P2 Lodge recruited heavily amond UK and US political hopefuls to suppress evidence of Stalin/Hitler financed WW2 and cold war agents who had infiltrated public life and were running drug trafficking, money laundering, vice, arms dealing and terrorism. Further, it is alleged that the P2 Lodge was a paedophile organisation which had infiltrated the Catholic Church and had bankrolled both WW2 and cold war atrocities. Many of these agents were allegedly 'doubles' - lookalikes who had targeted and assasinated their prey, and assumed their identities in order to penetrate public life.

The UN Head of Military Intelligence evidence allegedly shows that Margater Thatcher, George Herbert Bush, Henry Kissinger, Ariel Sharon and Armand Hammer were among the key players in the late 60s and early 70s who were recruited to find a viable financial operation such as a 'third world commercial bank' with which to run P2 activites. Subsequently, the murder of 'God's banker' Roberto Calvi and the collapse of Banco Ambrosiano scuppered many of the P2's original activities, and the Lodge went dormant, siphoning off its operations to the Opus Dei Organisation and activating BCCI as the felons' bank of choice.

Alleged documentary evidence to be heard before the BCCI UK lawsuit shows that in the 1980s and 90s, Thatcher, Bush 1, Kissinger, Sharon, Hammer et al ran a campaign of vilification, criminal harassment and assassination attempts on the life of the UN Head of Military Intelligence and family members. Further, that many acts of terrorism attributed to 'IRA', Bader Meinhof, Eta, Hamas, various Palestinian organisations etc were orchestrated by them to smear this Field Marshal, who held and holds evidence not only deriving from Truman's legacy but also from other immpecable sources. Further, that using BCCI funds, they set up the inner core workings to enable the creation of 'Al-Qaeda' - by creating appointments in security, policing and military intelligence agencies worldwide in order to suppress criminal evidence and recruit mercenaries among disgruntled 'third world militants'.

Unconfirmed stories say that acting on a plea from presidential hopeful Bush 2 during the 2000 campaign, Blair was responsible for events leading to the hostage-taking of the UN Head of Military Intelligence in the summer of 2000 and the removal of all military data concerning the destruction of WMDs in Iraq following the first Gulf War from UK intelligence files. This places MoD man John Scarlett in an invidious position, following the death "by the bushes" of Dr David Kelly.

Much of the above is as yet uncorroborated but is expected to be systematically wheeled out in the BCCI lawsuit. It is unsurpirising, therefore, that Blair's man Keith Vaz MP made a desperate last minute please on the TV yesterday for a settlement out of court "in order to save money" and offered a "full public enquiry" to replace the open court proceedings which are now taking place.

Edit:

Addendum: Much of the above was suppressed by Blair in order to secure his laughable 'Good Friday Agreement' with the IRA. It is said that as a pre-condition of any 'peace process', republicans demanded the obliteration of all evidence held by the security and intelligence services of references to sex offenders/paedophiles, the P2 Lodge and the IRA/Provisional IRA/Irish Republican Movement.

However, DNA is still pretty incontrovertible evidence! Shrub's Poodle is not as smart as he would like the world to think....

[seemslikeadream]

1. Thanks

I was looking for some news from you with the trail starting yesterday! Now I'll go back and read it.

:wow:

Yes IRA orchestrated by them

[emad]

2. I've just posted on yours!

Also in Latest Breaking News

[seemslikeadream]

4. Is there anything stopping the trail now?

except an extreme diversion

[emad]

6. Like: "we plan to send a man to Mars, any man, Paul O'Neill?"

The BFEE is toast. What an election campaign the Brits are running from the Royal Courts of Justice! You couldn't BUY this kind of publicity if you wanted to! Just hope the Dems get their act together and the right candidate and then its WOOSH! straight to Guantanamo for Shrub and his evil coterie of repuke luminaries....

[blm]

18. No kidding.

And people wonder why the Bush-friendly press pushed Dean down our throats for a year. BushInc. needs Kerry OFF the national stage QUICK and before the Bank of America/BCCI trial starts in June where more Americans are likely to hear about it.

[seemslikeadream]

108. Kerry's back on the national stage

now. I'm waiting to hear him speak, speak the truth!

[emad]

109. Good man, probably well briefed about the timing of his

'specialised subject' BCCI. I expect more will be rolled out into the media about the UK proceedings after tomorrow's BBC Panorama programme when they show footage of DR David Kelly saying in October 2002 that Saddam's WMD programme was activateable withoin months and not 45 minutes.

[Nihil]

3. Need to keep track of this

Thanks for the heads-up emad (though would have been nice to read it
elsewhere as well).

I suspect we know the outcome of a Vaz "full public enquiry" before
it starts but an open court trial ... that's a bit more difficult to
derail (though not impossible).

This could become very interesting indeed.

Nihil

[emad]

5. Even more interesting when certain members of the Truman

family publish details of all the lawsuits they've won against Shrub and the BFEE! And the huge financial damages, restraining and anti-harassment orders and injunctions etc.

[seemslikeadream]

9. You could read about it here

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/economics/story/0,11268,1120347,00.html

[Minstrel Boy]

7. The paedophilia wrinkle

to the P2/BCCI story is a new one for me, but it fits a disturbing pattern I've seen of officially protected, and sometimes sanctioned, elite rings engaging in child abuse.

Six-part study of the "Pedophocracy", beginning here: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html

"George Bush (Sr), The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse":
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

"Conspiracy of Silence" thread, from September:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459


Thanks for the thread. Fascinating, and awful stuff.

[Generic Other]

64. I followed your links and my firewall went nuts

1st, someone from Toronto, then someone from the United Emirates, and finally someone in Rome tried to "probe" me...does that not seem reasonably suspicious given the subject matter you linked me to?

[9215]

65. Someone did a "denial of service" attack on my

computer that had a couple of tech friends of mine baffled. I was also digging into this shit. This kind of stuff scares the *(*&)_## out of the Bushies IMO.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. "Head of UN military intelligence"

I'm a bit confused by this term. Might the position be better known by another name?

[whatelseisnew]

13. I'm confused about this too, n/t

[emad]

31. Also known as 'Governor-General of the United Nations'

Not often mentioned or discussed in the public domain.

[emad]

93. ADDENDUM:

The military blockade of all Israeli flights at the end of Gulf War 1 was apparently ordered by the UN Head of Military Intelligence after reports that Bush had ok'd the firing up of nuclear warheads aimed at Syria, after the UN Security Council stopped him marching into Iraq itself, laying down the law that the co-alition only had UN permission to kick Saddam's butt out of Kuwait but not finish him off in toto.

There was apparently a huge stand off with General Norman Schwarzkopf and the UK's General Sir Michael Jackson, who found it hard to understand that the UN Head of Military Intelligence outranked them and could over-ride any tantrum-induced madness of Bush I. I think it was a sexism thing as well - apparently they found it hard to take orders from a mere woman.....

[emad]

22. Damned right!

Very private for obvious reasons

[RainDog]

10. This sounds so bizarre

I have to say that I hope there is some sort of evidence which will be available to support these claims.

Until then, I have to remain skeptical...not to say that I do not think any of this is, unfortunately, unthinkable.

Considering the huge and long-term coverup of pedophilia in the Catholic Church which was finally brought out in the last few years, obviously there is the capacity for powerful people and organizations to engage in heinous activities and keep this information from the public for a long time.

Nevertheless, the information you relate boggles the mind and before I can accept the basics of these claims, I suppose I need to have some sort of reference point beyond a post on an internet site.

Again, not to say that what you relate is not possible, but it is all so bizarre I have to wait to see if any of this can be verifed elsewhere.

But thank you for sharing.

I hope these claims find their way to the public knowledge as soon as possible.

I believe that the UK has a greater possibility of finding out the truth or not of these matters because there seems to be actual opposition, while here in the US, all pols seem unwilling to break ranks for the sake of our nation's well being.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. Paging John Kerry! Paging John Kerry!

Paging John Kerry! Hello?

[RBHam]

12. kick

Yep. When 3.2 trillion dollars goes missing from the Pentagon coffers, and there's no accounting for it as the mssing dollars are used in "black operations", then you have to wonder...

Now, consider, with homicidal "ends justify the means" types deciding how, when and where that money gets used...

I had heard that "left wing" terrorist groups across the world had been created by the Military Industrialists to discredit true left wing democratic aims, and I'd always thought there was a lot more behind P2 and BCCI than has ever been publicly acknowledged...

Shee-yit, this could be the beginning of the end for these elitist bastards, IF this story doesn't get buried down the memory hole...

[Minstrel Boy]

14. P2 was tied to false-flag "left" terror in Italy

I posted this in a Berlusconi thread in Breaking News earlier today:

...

In his testimony given last year before the Commissione Stragi (Commission on terrorist massacres), General Maletti, who in order to escape justice took refuge in South Africa under apartheid, said that the creation of "second generation Red Brigades" was discussed at the highest level of the Italian government. He did not deny that some of their members were trained at Campo Maraggiu, in Sardinia. This was the secret training ground for the Gladio forces, which were linked to a network of fascist organisations. The favourite of the CIA, and undoubtedly of Henry Kissinger himself, was Ordine Nuovo, led by Pino Rauti, the avowed admirer of Hitler and Himmler. Only last year Rauti made an electoral deal with Silvio Berlusconi's Forza Italia. At the very top of the secret plans however was the fascist Licio Gelli, head of the notorious P2 Masonic Lodge.

Gelli, known to the CIA and friendly with the former US President Ronald Reagan, recruited about 1,200 members, including Maletti and other heads of the secret services and the military. P2 was later described by an investigative commission as a "government within the government". It was a subversive organisation, a military coup in waiting, with men ready to take control of key structures throughout the country. An attempted coup did in fact take place during the night of 7-8 December 1970, when the Home Office in Rome was briefly taken over. Known as the "Borghese coup", it was called off at the last minute apparently because Gelli did not get the green light from the United States.

On the list of P2 members found in Gelli's villa in Tuscany was the name of Berlusconi. Among the many mysteries in the tycoon's early career concerning the source of the funds that enabled him to buy estates in Milan and later launch his television channels with licences given to him by the corrupt Christian Democratic-Socialist government, the Gelli link highlights the Gladio-P2-Berlusconi-CIA jigsaw.

Berlusconi is now flanked by deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini, the former secretary of the fascist MSI (Movimento Sociale Italiano), and by Umberto Bossi of the racist Northern League. The rise of what has been described as the most dangerous political triad in Europe appears to be the successful fruition of a long sought objective. "The CIA wanted to assist nationalism with the extreme-right contribution", declared Maletti to the Commission.

Given the efforts of both the United States and Britain in setting up the Gladio network in Italy in 1949, which relied on fascists as the most trusted soldiers to keep the Communists at bay, it would seem that Prime Minister Tony Blair's steadfast support for and efforts to give legitimacy to Berlusconi's government, even when it appears anomalous and disreputable in the eyes of the world, is just a rerun of old alliances outside parliamentary democracy going back more than 50 years.

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stories/ItalyMay2002.htm

[RandomKoolzip]

15. This subject (P2, Calvi) has been

the locus of so much wooly-assed conspiracy theory, like the Satanic Ritual Abuse scam...to think that the P2 conspiracy is bound up somehow with the the IRA and a pedophilia ring....to think that it's a centralized thrust; shit, it seems to pat, too tidy. Are there more links? More proof?

[Minstrel Boy]

17. It sounds crazy, I know, but then again,

these are crazy times.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, ritual abuse has not been discredited. Paul Bonacci was awarded $1 million civil judgement against Larry King. (No, not him. Another Larry King.) King was laundering money for Iran/Contra through his Nebraska Credit Union, sang the national anthem at the Republican Conventions in 1984 and 1988, was running a lucrative and covert paedophile ring which engaged in Satanic ritual abuse and enjoyed ties to the first Bush Administration and the CIA. Bonacci was one of his boys, and was treated to a late-night tour of the White House, a tour organized out of VP Bush's office. (Reported even in The Washington Times, of all things.) And it's known the CIA at the very least had an interest in exploring the power of occultic imagery and ritual abuse as a method of mind control. I know - "mind control" takes us into the true foily zone, but MKULTRA and similar black projects are not projections of our paranoia. And many of the leading proponents of "false memory syndrome" have demonstrable ties to the Intelligence community.

http://www.konformist.com/2002/curio-tribune3.htm
http://www.towardfreedom.com/may98/messing.htm

A year ago I wouldn't have thought the charges had any merit. But since then, I've read The Franklin Cover Up by John DeCamp, viewed the supressed video "Conspiracy of Silence," and I can't shrug it off.

Some things are too terrible to be true, and yet are. That's the lesson I've learned, courtesy of another Bush in the White House.

[emad]

23. Yes. Harry S Truman left key seminal documents entrusted

to the person who is UN Head of Military Intelligence.

Members of Harry's own family were assassinated in late 1963 in the UK by the same gang that murdered JFK and later his brother.

Harry's nephew Captain G V Truman (twice decorated with The Soldiers Medal, the UK's George Cross and - posthumously - the UK's Victoria Cross) - his pregnant wife and their younger son Christopher were all murdered by this gang. His eldest son subsequently sued the Pentagon and the UK's Ministry of Defence and won substantial damages in this respect.

GV was working directly for JFK doing covert intelligence work on the proliferation of the P2 and their inflitration of public life as well as security, policing and military intelligence.

Will say more about this when I can get an OK from those concerned.

[seemslikeadream]

24. I did not know that Senator Harry Truman

when investigating the national defense program, as committee chairman told newsmen before Farish testified: "I think this approaches treason. Farish began breaking apart at these hearings. He shouted his "indignation" at the senators, and claimed he was not "disloyal."After the March-April hearings ended, more dirt came gushing out of the Justice Department and the Congress on Farish and Standard Oil. Farish had deceived the US Navy to prevent the Navy from acquiring certain patents, while supplying them to the Nazi war machine; meanwhile he was supplying gasoline and tetraethyl lead to Germany's submarines and air force.
Communications between Standard and I.G. Farben from the outbreak of World War II were released to the Senate, showing that tFarish's organization had arranged to deceive the U.S. government into passing over Nazi-owned assets: They would nominally buy I.G.'s share in certain patents because "in the event of war between ourselves and Germany .. .it would certainly be very undesirable to have this 20 percent Standard-I.G pass to an alien property custodian of the U.S. who might sell it to an unfriendly interest.
In August, Farish was brought back for more testimony. He was now frequently accused of lying. Farish was crushed under the intense, public grilling; he became morose, ashen. While Prescott Bush escaped publicity when the government seized his Nazi banking organization in October, Farish had been nailed. He collapsed and died of a heart attack on November 29, 1942.
The Farish family was devastated by the exposure. Son William Stamps Farish, Jr., a lieutenant in the Army Air Force, was humiliated by the public knowledge that his father was fueling the enemy's aircraft; he died in a training accident in Texas six months later. With this double death the fortune comprising much of Standard Oil's profits from Texas and Nazi Germany was now to be settled upon the little four-year-old grandson, William...overlapping the intelligence and financial worlds-The Bush Farish axis started George Bush's career.

A Senate investigating committee under Senator (later US President Harry Truman of Missouri had called Arnold to testify at hearings on corporations' collaboration with the Nazi. The Senators expressed outrage at the cynical way Farish was continuing an alliance with the Hitler regime that begun back in 1933, when Farish became chief of Jersey Standard. Didn't he know there was a war on?
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/listservs/spoons/woodco-greens.archive/woodco-greens.0006

[RainDog]

26. lots of interesting info there

When George Bush was elected vice president in 1980, Texas mystery man William Stamps Farish III took over management of all of George Bush's personal wealth in a "blind trust." Known as one of the richest men in Texas, Will Farish keeps his business affairs under the most intense secrecy. Only the source of his immense wealth is known, not its employment. Note #3 Will Farish has long been Bush's closest friend and confidante….
President Bush can count on Farish not to betray the violent secrets surrounding the Bush family money. For Farish's own family fortune was made in the same Hitler project, in a nightmarish partnership with George Bush's father.

On March 25, 1942, U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold announced that William Stamps Farish (grandfather of the President's money manager) had pleaded "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with the Nazis. Farish was the principal manager of a worldwide cartel between Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey and the I.G. Farben concern. The merged enterprise had opened the Auschwitz slave labor camp on June 14, 1940, to produce artificial rubber and gasoline...

---wasn't Thyssens, Prescott's Dutch biz partner, part of the I.G. Farben/Austwitz deal?

interesting, too, that Farish's daughter married one of the Harrimans, the large shareholder in Union Bank, from which Prescott was also enriched, though not to the same degree as Harriman.

[emad]

33. And since June 2001 Farish has been top Shrubman at the US

embassy in the UK, living at the official ambassador's residence in the Outer Circle, Regents Park, London NW1.

He has personally ensured that all police/intelligence files on Shrub's extended family of children and siblings has been wiped off the UK records. No mention of the IRA thug son and daughter born in the early 1960s in the UK, and certainly no mention about IAN HUNTLEY (as mentioned in latest breaking news**) who was jailed on 17 December 2003 for the murder of 10 year old Holly and Jessica.

Edit: **check:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=313090

[starroute]

61. Lots of fascinating Farish family connections

The current Farish's wife, Sarah Sharp, is the daughter of Bush Sr.'s close friend, Bayard Sharp. Bayard Sharp's mother was Isabella Mathieu du Pont, whose three brothers were admirers of Hitler, plotted to overthrow FDR in 1934, and funded various overtly fascist organizations (to at least one of which William Stamps Farish, Sr. donated money.)

Farish's maternal grandfather was General Robert E. Wood, head of the right-wing America First Committee before World War II and a fervent supporter of Senator Joe McCarthy and of various revisionist historians in the 1940's and 1950's.

Farish's paternal grandmother was Libbie Botts Rice of Houston, TX. That's Rice as in Rice University and Botts as in James Baker's lawfirm, Baker & Botts (of which Libbie's grandfather, a former Confederate officer from Virginia, was a co-founder in 1866.) Rice University and Baker & Botts have always been closely associated -- and in recent years, both had a strong connection with Enron as well.

Farish, Sr. himself was the great-grandson of a sister of Confederate president Jefferson Davis.

Texas politics, big oil, extreme anti-New Deal right-wing politics, fascism, and the lingering resentments of the old South all twine together in this one family.



On edit: The Baker & Botts/BCCI ties should also not be overlooked:

"Texas ties became a habit with Bath’s future terrorist financier, author Peter Brewton implied, when in 1979 Mahfouz purchased the Houston River Oaks mansion of Chester Reed, father-in-law of John Ballis, who pled guilty to Savings and Loan fraud. Mahfouz paid $4.23 million through Houston’s Baker & Botts -- a law firm traversing many Bush family business deals -- which handled the Saudi Sheikh’s Houston land investments through James Bath. Wide reports say Mahfouz still owns the Texas mansion." (From "In These Times.")

[RainDog]

63. That's an interesting "six degrees"

of separtion from the origins of fascism and treasonous bastards of the Confederacy.

not even six degrees...

Do you have a link or a book source to cite this material?

I hope to soon start reading The Plot To Seize the White House, about the duPont and J.P. Morgan led attempt to assassinate FDR and establish a fascist govt here under the cover of General Smedley Butler's good reputation.

I'm so very glad he exposed them.

I wonder if his testimony before the House is available online?

[starroute]

76. Here are some links

A piece here at DU about the du Ponts, Standard Oil, and more fascist connections: http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/04/05_killing.html

The coup attempt against FDR: http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html

Farish donation to Clark's Crusaders: http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930sap.html

The papers of Robert E. Wood, with a list of his correspondents: http://www.ecommcode2.com/hoover/research/historicalmaterials/other/wood.htm

It's also an interesting exercise to Google "H. Smith Richardson" or "H. Smith Richardson Foundation" or "Smith Richardson Foundation." ("The Bush family knew Richardson and his wife through their mutual
friendship with Sears Roebuck's chairman, General Robert E. Wood. General Wood had been president of the America First organization, which had lobbied against war with Hitler's Germany. H. Smith Richardson had contributed the start-up money for America First and had spoken out against the United States "joining the Communists" by fighting Hitler. Richardson's wife was a proud relative of Nancy Langehorne from Virginia, who married Lord Astor and backed the Nazis from their Cliveden Estate." http://www.tarpley.net/bush4.htm)

Baker and Botts: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/BB/jyb1.html

Descendents of Jefferson Davis: http://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/gene.cfm
Ancestry of William Stamps Farish: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2690702&id=I13328
Ancestry of Libbie Raden Rice (my error -- Botts was not her middle name): http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2263394&id=I4240

Bayard Sharp obituary: http://www.napraonline.com/PublicPages/2001web/News/2002/081202nf.pdf
Bayard Sharp and the Bushes: http://www.mit.edu/afs/net.mit.edu/user/tytso/usenet/americast/wpost/1173

[RainDog]

77. These are great! Thanks

I'm really looking forward to reading The Plot To Seize the White House.

[Minstrel Boy]

80. The longstanding Farish-Bush connection, and their Nazi associations,

is a fascinating and important avenue of inquiry. Particularly since William Farish is Bush's ambassador to the UK.

[Minstrel Boy]

25. thank you for all of this

please keep us informed as best you can.

[emad]

30. Addendum

The report of the UN Head of Military Intelligence currently awaiting hearing in the BCCI class action lawsuit in London alleges that Thatcher's Minister for Defence Procurement - the disgraced ex-con Jonathan Aitken - set up the payment systems via BCCI affiliates registered to Saudis in the 1980s that fed cocaine cash to 'Osama bin Laden' and that this was directly linked to Mossad 'black' operations controlled by Arield Sharon.

Interesting to note that the only true beneficiary of the Bush/Blair Iraq war has been Sharon who has managed to amass over 200 nuclear warheads since 2000 - the time when all references to UN intelligence showing that Iraq was WMD free were wiped from MoD intelligence files.

Further, the BCCI evidence alleges that the UK's General Sir Michael Jackson was the chief orchestrator of this cover-up. It is significant that he and Norman Schwartzkopf were the key protestors at the end of Gulf I when there was a temporary blockade of all military air traiif in and out of Israel following key UN intelligence on an Israeli potential attack on Syria.

On Aitken: He rose in the ranks becoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury under John Major and resigned over an article in the Guardian newspaper. He eventually went to jail for perjury. As Thatcher's key man he is believed to be responsible for liaising with General Jackson in blocking 'Al-Qaeda' intelligence in the UK and ensuring the right MoD personnell were progressing up the career ladder at Blair's behest.

[emad]

29. Addendum

The gang that Gilbert V Truman was investigating directly on JFK's orders - and answerable only to him, at Harry S Truman's request - were threatening to blow up US airforce and other military installations in the UK - notably the airforce base in Daws Hill, High Wycombe and its sister base in nearby Cryers Hill. Much terrorist activity on these was initially blamed on the 'IRA' but GV's evidence showed that a gang of east european WW2 former convicts - mainly sex offencers interred during the 40s - were working for Emile Kleimann, and that some had infiltrated 'public life' by using aliases and replacing 'lookalikes'.

GV's wife Anne Margaret Wallace was related both to Harry S Truman's wife (Elizabeth) Bessie Wallace and Governor George Wallace. She is also said to have been involved in covert intelligence work although this has not been substantiated. The Pentagon still refuses to release the citations for the awards/medals that GV won and the UK's MoD is also reluctant to put into the public domain the citation showing why GV won the Victoria Cross.

Suffice to say that the surviving son sued both the Pentagon and the MoD for orchestrating the murder of his parents and sibilings.

Have found a link on Emile Kliemnann and his cohort Lily Sergeiev that might provide some background:
http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/july2001/secser3.htm#top

[emad]

32. Calvi was a sex offender and is linked to a paedophile ring that

raped and murdered children in the UK in the 1960s. There's been a cover-up because those kids that did survive and eventually went on to testify - and jail - their abusers, were subsequently stalked and tracked down by other members of the gang, who carried out repeated attacks on them, their family members and police officers/court officials who had been involved in the case.

[seemslikeadream]

16. Are these the hostages

the ones in East Timor and I find it interesting Sergio Vieira de Mello was head of the U.N. administration at the time, if so

[RainDog]

19. life out of balance

what seems essential to me in all these various accusations against various people is the fact that, with the fall of communism, the forces that enabled fascism, and those fascist forces, have too much power.

maybe at the time they thought they were choosing the lesser of two evils.

but now, they are the evil.

for this reason, alone, life has tipped too far to the extremist right in this nation and Italy and in various other spots around the world..you can certainly argue that Saudi Arabia, which reached out to Hitler, has more in common with fascism than any modern political ideology that relates to the western world.

because we situated ourselves as the alternative to a soviet empire, fascist tendencies have had it easy in this country, and more equitable govt has been continuously stymied by interests who always shouted "commie under the bed!" whenever anyone wanted to make America a better place by making the rich equal to and no better than anybody else.

well, now it's time for a great change. a correction.

sometimes I feel this change is inevitable, that such corruption as embodied in Bush and Cheney cannot be sustained..that absolute power corrupting absolutely thing.

If there have been rich and powerful political men involved in organized pedophilia, I hope they are brought to trial. That is only just.

If they are guilty, let them serve time in prison. When they are in prison, they can find out what it's like to no better, and really, much worse, than everybody else.

[seemslikeadream]

20. Something the founder of BCCI Agha Hasan Abedi said

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/business/articles/timid72921?source=

Bank officals had 'talked elliptically about special services to rich clients' from the BCCI boss. 'If you wanted little boys, you got it, if you wanted little girls you got it, money in suitcases or seats at the opera.'

[9215]

120. I'd bet that these pedophile rings are linked, like

the terrorist money, to the Saudis. How could Abedi get these boys and girls in secret and on call?????

One thing that is promising here is that these kind of sick habits require continued feeding increasing the chances that something will break eventually.

[Octafish]

21. BCCI, thanks to BFEE, runs clear through to 9-11.

The Bank of Credit and Commerce International BOUGHT INFLUENCE at the highest levels of the US Government, establishing a base of operations with the help Clark Clifford and those close to Jimmy Carter on the Democratic side. BCCI did even BIGGER Business with the Repukes, using the services of Henry Kissinger and his crowd ? and wherever there's a Kissinger, a Bush won't be far behind.

Fueled by all its dirty petrodollars, BCCI did Big Time Business with the money-hungry BFEE. Younger DUers might be interested in seeing how the BCCI affair from the late 70s to early 90s involves many of the same crooks who run the BFEE today, people like James R. Bath, kicked off the Texas ANG flight line along with fellow officer, George W Bush, who also was involved with BCCI through the bin Laden family.


BCCI AND KISSINGER ASSOCIATES

Introduction

Beginning in the fall of 1986, and continuing through early 1989, BCCI initiated a series of contacts with perhaps the most politically prominent international and business consulting firm in the United States -- Kissinger Associates.

At the time, Kissinger Associates had five partners: former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, former Assistant and current National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, former Under Secretary and current Acting Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, international economist Alan Stoga, and investment bank T. Jefferson Cunningham III.

Ultimately both Stoga and a retired Brazilian Ambassador working as a consultant to Kissinger Associates, Sergio Correa da Costa, seriously explored finding ways to link BCCI's global network of banks with the services being offered by Kissinger Associates. Discussions between representatives of BCCI and representatives of Kissinger Associates took place over an 18 month period concerning the possibility of merging the capabilities of BCCI and Kissinger Associates on various, mostly unspecified, projects. Following BCCI's indictment, discussions continued as to whether Kissinger Associates could help BCCI respond to the ramifications of that indictment. These discussions ended in early 1989 at Henry Kissinger's personal insistence.

During the discussions, Stoga provided advice to BCCI on a possible public relations campaign. At their conclusion, Kissinger Associates referred BCCI to one its own directors, former Assistant Secretary of State William Rogers, and his firm, Arnold & Porter, who already represented Kissinger Associates on its own legal work. Rogers and Arnold & Porter in turn agreed to provide BCCI with legal services arising out of its indictment, although few services were provided as a consequence of the opposition of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman to the firm's involvement.

Although discussions concerning a broader relationship were cut short by the indictment, the BCCI-Kissinger Associates correspondence reveals much about BCCI's approach to seeking political influence in the United States. The correspondence also highlights BCCI's focus on doing business with, and ability, given its $23 billion in reported assets and 73 countries of operation, to attract interest from, some of the most politically well-connected people in the United States.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/20kiss.htm

Small world. And very, very bad.

[9215]

66. Henry Gonzalez here

He went after Eagleburger detailing his involvement in the Balkan Crisis and Yugoslavia selling arms to Iraq and the Hugo in the US. From what I remember there was this huge banking scandal in Yugoslavia when a bank connected to K$Assoc. got nabbed trying to pass $1billion in false promissory notes.

Gonzalez also nailed NSC's Brent Scowcroft for changing the military designation of vehicles sold to Iraq to "civilian vehicles". But not a fucking thing happened to Scowcroft.

[Octafish]

70. Great American, the Hon. Henry Gonzalez. Tied Bush1 to Iraq-gate.

THE BANCA NAZIONALE DEL LAVORO SCANDAL:  
HIGH-LEVEL POLITICS TRY TO HIDE THE EVIDENCE 

EXCERPT (from the Congressional Record)...

Mr. GONZALEZ. Mr. Speaker, as we know, President Bush wanted to make a friend of Saddam Hussein, and he vigorously pursued that policy right up until the eve of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. We also know that while the public part of that policy was to use the CCC Program, in the Department of Agriculture, to sell food to Iraq, there was another, a secret layer to the policy, and that aspect was to allow Saddam Hussein to operate a clandestine military procurement network in this country. 

Mr. Speaker, I have made reference to this distinction before because there was some confusion even reflected by the deputy Secretary of State, then, now the acting Secretary of State, saying that the CCC Program was it. It was not. You had commercial, financial transactions also financed through the Banco Nazionale del Lavoro. And this aspect, the commercial, I brought out in detail, so I will not allude to it in detail other than to say that it was this really secret operation that should be of concern particularly to those great guardians of security, all of the vast apparatus of the intelligence that this country has erected, plus the financial institution regulatory network, which we really do not have in our country, to protect our national interest, should be aware that made it possible, this commercial/financial banking access, to procure such things as a .155 artillery shell casing manufactured by an American corporation but into which some Iraqi interests bought the required percentage in order to have access to blueprints and everything else. 

So that when our soldiers went to the sands of Araby with their .155 military artillery shells, they had the same shells fired back at them. It is still going on. This is the reason for my concern. Iraq, actually, in all truth, has been one of the minor plans in this very canny, very astute, very knowledgeable way of working through the crevices and the gaps in our international banking regulatory system in America. 

The administration, last summer, was willing to admit that its public policy was a mistake: `Oh, made a mistake.' But they do not take responsibility for the mistake. It used to be, and it still is in other countries, like in England, Great Britain, when the Foreign Secretary Harrington, later an associate of Henry Kissinger & Associates, and still later recently the envoy to Yugoslavia, supposed to be the peace envoy, when Lord Carrington fouled up in the case of the Malvinas, as the Argentines called them, or the Falklands, as the British call it, he resigned. We used to do that in our country. We used to have members of the Cabinet, when they could not stomach something, they quit, and they say, `Look, we don't go along with that.' Not now, not since the ideological compulsion and the takeoff on an ideological basis of our governmental leaders since the President Reagan's advent, and Reagan/Bush, and now Bush. So that they make mistakes and they, `Oh, well, yes, sure, but we will admit now that you brought this out,' and they resisted stoutly bringing anything out, but, `Yes, it was a mistake, in retrospect it looks like a mistake, but at that time it was our policy to see how,' in the words of the President, `we could bring Saddam Hussein and Iraq into the confraternity of the civilized nations.' 

You are going to bring that kind of pattern of behavior by a leader of a country and his regime by arming them? It is ridiculous.
 
So, it still goes to the greatest lengths to prevent anyone from knowing about the secret policy that allowed Iraq to pursue the development of nuclear arms and other aspects and weapons of mass destruction, by means of its clandestine procurement network in Europe and here in the United States. And I say not only Europe, but China, North Korea. 

CONTINUED...

http://www.osamaskidneys.com/gonzalez.html

BTW, 9215: Ever hear about the time he almost popped E Howard Hunt in the chops? That story used to be on the web, now all I have is the memory that Gonzalez thought Hunt was about to pull a revolver on him. Gonzalez told him if he tried, he would "drop him where he stood." Hunt didn't.

[9215]

71. Oh Yea, I got that one

Henry Gonzalez is an unsung hero. When I sent a letter to Henry Waxman about Enron I couldn't help but get choked up at the coincidence of their same firstnames.


This is from a book I am/was? working on:

The head of the House Banking, Finance and Urban Affairs Committe, Henry Gonzalez included as part of his report on the BNL scandal that columnist Jack Anderson had "round the clock surveillance for a month" by the likes of G. Gordon Liddy. In this same report he related a bizarre encounter he had with ex-CIA agent E. Howard Hunt of Watergate infamy:
'The only thing I know about E. Howard Hunt was two years ago in July, in fact July 14, I go back to my district every weekend, and I came in that Saturday morning. I arrived at the San Antonio Airport, and there was a couple there that used to be in my district and move to a small town up in what we call the hill country.
They recognized me and said, " Oh, Congressmen. How are you? We are so glad to see you."
I saluted them and addressed them. I was leaving when this individual comes up. I had never met him before, but, from his pictures, I could tell that what he said was true.
He said: "You are Congressman Gonzalez?...Well I am E.Howard Hunt, and you are nothing but a ****" and he used a bad word.
Well I had two little bags I was carrying, very small so I just dropped them. I noticed he had a shoulder holster with a pistol. It was obvious.
So I said: " Mister, since you want to use sailors' language, here is what I think of you." Tnen I used some choice words.
I said: "Let me tell you something else. You take one step forward closer to me or you make a move for the gun in your shoulder holster, and I will swear to you I will take it from you and in self defense I will kill you with it."
He looked at me startled, turned around, and walked away. I picked up my bags and walked out of the airport. (Cong.record. House pp.8352, 9/14/92)

Henry gave it his all. He fought the son-of-a-bitches to the end and kicked some serious ass in the process and had not one fucking ounce of support from his "colleagues". I'd say Waxman is in the same boat, and has learned from Gonzalez's experience. Gonzalez cut through all the bullshit and hammered away at the bastards with subpoena after subpoena, letter after letter. He, like Waxman is presently doing, "built his case through correspondence"--unanswered requests for information tell alot.

[RainDog]

78. I'd read it

(your book, that is)

I realize writing books about these things is dangerous business sometimes, however...so take care.

[9215]

81. Thanks,

I keep thinking of Hatfield and Casolaro. People that knew too much.

I am well aware of how dangerous it is to cross these people. I network my info to people (official and unofficial)from around the country. I have filed police reports for harassment, I've had my place surveiled and had people suddenly "become friends" with me out of the blue. I've had my computer hacked and the files stolen and sent to US Senators with a virus attached, the same thing happened to Mike Ruppert a short time later. At a war protest in Seattle last year this guy approached me and started drilling me about the source of the quote on my protest sign. It was very strange, because I am a stickler for sources when I'm on the Internet. I started laughing and asked: "What branch of the intelligence community do you work for?"

He just slithered away as I started drilling him for questions. Very weird that out of the thousands of people there he targeted me.


Another thing Gonzalez was keen on was how the root problem of almost all the major organized criminal activity is money laundering. He went into that extensively during his investigation into BNL. I became aware of what he was doing after the fact in the mid-90's as I was researching Kuwait angle-drilling (whipsawing) into Iraqi oil fields.

[RainDog]

84. And this is the problem with the so-called Patriot Acts

And why I think they were enacted, in fact.

If they have "legit" ways to punish people for doing nothing other than seeking and publishing questions and answers about these questionable (that's the nice word) alliances and actions, they remove yet another protection from total fascism.

And I agree with Gonzalez and all other decent reporters- FOLLOW THE MONEY.

What's so amazing is that these people have so much money already, they're not in anyway kept from pursuing happy lives, or denied any of the perks of our nation and our increbile wealth...they don't have to be assholes...they simply are assholes.

[9215]

86. They can never have enough money

That is a good issue you raise. I have heard many people say that nobody could be "that" greedy. What so many people don't realize is that these fascists are part of a big "Octopus" that profits from war, chaos and misery. War is essential to their way of life.

The fascists are building their castles or fiefdoms on a grand scale. They are not just trying to secure creature comforts but they want to keep their nepotistic empire going ad infinitum. Their psychology is determined by the "zero--sum game"--some win and most lose.

The movie "Key Largo" comes to mind. In that movie mafiosi Johnny Rocko, played impeccably by Edward G. Robinson, is stuck in a hotel in Key largo in a hurricane. A cop who identifies him tries to arrest him and asks: "What do you want Rocko"?

Humphrey Bogart playing a disgruntled WWII vet says after Rocko doesn't reply: "More.....that's what Rocky wants....ain't that right Rocko."

Rocko's eyes light up and he say's: "Yea, that's right, that's what I want...MORE!

From time to time we see hints of their psychology come to the surface. Cheney saying the "world's a dangerous place", and then talking about endless war. He cannot concieve of an alternative because he has a vested interest in keeping war going. Susskind's book on ex-Treasury Sectretary O'Neil shows that diplomacy was not even considered an option by the Bush junta and is subverted whenever possible.

People like the Bushies cannot change; if they did their way of life would dissappear.

[KoKo]

103. Gonzalez was onto so much. Seems like after his retirement and death

investigation just stopped. Not that they paid that much attention to him...(just like they don't to Byrd), but he was the last one I remember who would dig and dig. A great loss.

[9215]

119. His prescience on the significance of the S$L scandal

is incredible. He was laughed at for saying it could be in the triple digit billions when it first broke. $500 billion and counting later he was proven correct.

He was just a hardworking honest guy that really knew what was going on. I guess watching the Bushies operate in Texas helped too.

[barbaraann]

27. Strange things are happening to a Yahoo story about this.

http://post.news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=NEWS&action=l&ft=1&board=37138459&sid=37138459&title=Hutton%20to%20Deliver%20Dead%20UK%20Scientist%20Report%20Jan.%2028&tid=nmiraqbritainreportdc&date=01-15-2004&url=story.news.yahoo.com%2Fnews%3Ftmpl%3Dstory%26u%3D%2Fnm%2F20040115%2Fwl_nm%2Firaq_britain_report_dc_1&.sig=.dakm3azJF9FsI8zTNno3g--

It seems that messages posted to this story are being deleted and blocked.

I tried to read a few and got a message that the message that the post was deleted or expired.

Scary. Must be big!

[seemslikeadream]

28. I'm sure it's just a coincidence

that DU was down yesterday at the time emad was posting this and in LBN

[9215]

72. They killed the photo editor of the National Enquirer

for meddling in such topics. Google: Bob Stevens+anthrax

[emad]

34. UPDAT UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE

Re: hostage taking: The alleged evidence from the head of UN Military Intelligence testimony purports that Blair was exposed by the UN as 'Peter Kliemann' the son of WW2 criminal mastermind Emile Kliemann, and that he is the half brother of 'George W Bush' who is a 'lookalike' - doppleganger - planted by Thatcher to continue her work of discrediting UN military intelligence and paving the way for the mass arming with nuclear warheads in Israel.

The testimony alleges that 'Blair' and 'Bush' had different fathers but are "uterine bastards" born to one Renata Goering, an Opus Dei activist living in the UK under assumed ID and linked to Emile Kleimann's 1960s gang of terrorism, money laundering and vice. She is also linked with a Polish money laundering outfir called The Marian Fathers in Henley on Thames, Berkshire, who were responsible for doshing up Lech Walesa and his political campaigns in the 1980s, with cocaine money laundered through BCCI affiliates in eastern Europe via Vaduz, Liechtenstein.

[emad]

35. UPDATE 2 UPDATE 2 UPDATE 2 UPDATE 2

More from the Deep Throat source at the Royal Courts of Justice:

Files subpoenaed by the BCCI creditors' lawyers from MI5 and MI6 last year are allegedly among Key Files to understanding UK counter-intelligence documents, especially those known as the Blue Book - alleged UFO sightings from the 1960s onwards. These documents of official investigations into 'Flying Saucers' such as the investigation into the Rendlesham Forest sightings (as in http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc664.htm) were an invention, a hoax, a campaign to cover up incidences of attempts by renegade military officers affiliated to the P2 Lodge to hold the UK to ranson by threatening to blow up nuclear devices on mainland UK. The documents allege Thatcher was ready to set herself up as president of a UK republic and take over in a military coup, with the full backing of Reagan and his crawler veep George Bush 1. The funding came from BCCI coke and heroin money laundered via Dubai and linked to convicted felon ABDUL WAHAB GALADARI and UAE ambassador to UK Mahdi Al Tajir. Seem to remember that this Galadari was in the news for getting busted in New York some time in the 80s and that his brothers subsequently distanced themselves from him.

Don't know exactly how many of these Key Files have been subpoenaed but it is alleged that there have been at least half a dozen instances since 1960 when a major nuclear bomb was used by renegades/terrorists/BFEE fan club members to try to stage a coup d'etat in the UK. More as and when my source contacts.

[seemslikeadream]

36. emad aisat sana

you know you're gone to lose some folks at this point but since I'm such a mystery hound, I'll keep reading. Just give me another clue about Ian.

[RainDog]

37. lost me

this seems to get into the "I am Anastaia, daughter of the Czar" territory.

[emad]

43. I wish!

Ever studied any Arabic? It's a close phonetic equivalent name to a 20th century Yemeni satirist imprisoned for breaking free speech rules in Saudi....

[RainDog]

47. Never studied Arabic

I know a few words in Farsi, and really love the Persian literature that I'm familiar with, like The Conference of the Birds and poems like The Wind Will Carry Us.

All I'm saying is the focus on this spectacular imagining of who is related to whom may be a bit of a distraction or willful misleading sensationalism.

...obviously I could be wrong, but it would take some strong evidence to convince me that this is not into the realm of Illuminati sorts of fantasy paranoia.

[emad]

54. The Bavarian Illuminati were certainly traced to Nazi sex cults

such as those run by H P Blavatsky and later associated with dissafected Russian crank chums of Rasputin.

Am trying to find an online connection to Capt G V 'Trump' Truman's son's published work on the Psychopathology of Criminal Cults. He is a Professor of Clinical Psychiatry and is reputedly the No 1 world authority on cults associated with satanism and paedophilia and is published on these subjects, including offshoots of criminal gangs linked in the 19th and 20th centuries to wackos like Aleister Crowley.

[Jackpine Radical]

59. Blavatsky? Nazi sex cult?

I never had any idea that Theosophy was tied up in this kinda stuff.
Details? Links?

[seemslikeadream]

58. Ibrahim Nabavi?

:shrug:

[emad]

92. Where DID you get a name like that from? Not an 'Abu Gohar'

column, was it?

[seemslikeadream]

95. Clueless in the cornfields

just googlin yemin saudi satrist jailed. Don't yell at me emad, :cry:. I even had to look up what toff meant!

[emad]

96. Yellin's off-menu at the moment. Too busy trying to figure out

why my local internet cafe keeps playing the signature theme of 'The Godfather' each time I try googling up a bush/paedophilia/coaine/money laundering/ariel sharon link.....

And, better 'clueless in the cornfields than 'Dumbass in the West Wing' I think...

[emad]

42. 'Ian Huntley' is a pseudonym

He is the 'hyrbid' son of two public figures, a UK mother, and a US father.

[DUreader]

38. These Last 2 Updates Are Pretty Hard To Follow

How Much Do You Trust Your Source?

Is Any Other Outlet Getting Info From This 'Throat'?u

[Minstrel Boy]

39. I have to agree.

Could your source be feeding you disinformation?

BCCI already has the well-documented stink of the Octopus on it. This would seem to take the story into a highly fanciful realm, and without some corroboration, it could be used to discredit.

Then again, what do I know? The more I experience the Bush years, the more I see the wisdom of Morgan Freeman's advice in the film Seven: "If John Doe's head splits open and a UFO should fly out, I want you to have expected it."

[emad]

44. The easiest trail to follow is the murder of Captain GV 'Trump' Truman

and his family. There is a memorial to him near Saunderton, Buckinghamshire, near the historic house Bradenham Manor. The USAF bases he was connected to in the 1960s were at Naphill, near Cryers Hill, Bucks and High Wycombe. The family still has strong ties to Brandeham Manor.

His surviving son is a very well known shrink. But guards his privacy. A leading authority on the Osychopathology of Criminal Cults. Lectured extensively in NY state univ in the 1980s. The family were major contributors to Clinton's 1992 election campaign and entertained him and Hillary in their UK country home on many occasions.

Ever seen the 1980s glass and steel house and pool house at DeWitt Clinton Park, New York - just off 11th Avenue? You can sometimes catch them there!

Margaret Truman Daniel, Harry S's daughter is also custodian of much that the Democrats have to be grateful for. Amazing woman.

[RainDog]

48. Can you link to any articles

or databases with Capt. Truman in them?

I have googled his name repeatedly and cannot come up with anything...maybe I'm not being specific enough, or don't know where to look.

[emad]

51. G V 'Trump' Truman is mentioned in passing in the Harry S Truman

Memorial Library and Museum, they have an online website. He was born 26 June 1926 I think. Have been trying to get the citations for his 2 Soldiers Medal citations from the Pentagon and his Grorge Cross and Victoria Cross citations from the UK's MoD but these are so far drawing a blank. I know that Margaret Truman Daniel has copies because he was her cousin.

[seemslikeadream]

50. Margret sure likes to write about murder and Washington

Murder in the White House 1980
Murder on Capital Hill 1981
Murder in the Supreme Court 1982
Murder in the Smithsonian 1983
Murder on Embassy Row 1984
Murder at the FBI 1985
Murder in Georgetown 1986
Murder at the Kennedy Center 1989
Murder at the National Cathedral 1990
Murder in the Pentagon 1991
Murder at the National Gallery 1996
Murder at the Watergate 1998
Murder at the Library of Congress 1999

[emad]

52. She's a superb fiction writer who, privately, knows more about the

BFEE than almost any living person. Her husband is a retired journalist.

[T Bone]

116. I thought Harry S Truman only had a daughter Margaret...?

She was an only child, played piano in the whitehouse, has written novels. She was married to a Daniel, a NY Times editor.
Margaret Truman Daniel was the only child of Harry & Bess Truman.

So where does the is Captain GV Truman come from ? anyway.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

40. you had me going there for a minute emad!

Then you started posting ufo links. I guess we should expect lots of disinfo coming from the BCCI trial. Yours?

[emad]

41. Re: UK 'UFO' files

These are mainly MoD cover-up stories, much hyped and pumped into mainstream TV shows like the X Files, to suggest the plausibility of all the UFO/alien stuff being 'real'. The whole UK programme of UFO stories (see Nick Pope et al in his 'scientific' investigation of MoD 'cover-ups') is counter-intelligence held to disprove the existence of MoD Key Files about the number of attempts to stage coups d'etat in the UK by republican-backed paramilitary organisations using nuclear devices. Some were financed by slush funds laundered through Banco Ambrosiano and others through BCCI. The files subpoenaed by the BCCI lawyers in the current UK lawsuit are those relating to Thatcher's attempt to stage such a coup d'etat.
Others relate to previous and subsequent attempts.

[DUreader]

45. How is the claim that UFO stories were for misdirection confusing?

That was about the only thing I was able to understand from the update.

Maybe you should re-read that post.

This would essentially debunk the whole UFO phenomenon as an on-going

cover story for military ops, a not uncommon assertion. e

[emad]

56. I guess anything that links paedophilia, cocaine, UFOs/aliens/

money laundering/fraud/hostage taking AND amassing over 200 nuclear war heads since 2000 to ARIEL SHARON gets some folks a little uneasy.

I always bear in mind that his own people have agreed he can be prosecuted for war crime atrocities as soon as he is out of office. Expect they hope he'll drop dead before their next election.....

[RainDog]

46. It's the soap operatic evil twins that stumps me

Blair and Bush are brothers...Bush is not really Bush but someone who assumed his identity?

Sorry, but for me this reaches into the realm of the absurd, and sounds like the plot of All My Children.

Not only that, but focusing on such things detracts from things which make contact with the realm of damage done via BCCI money laundering around the world in support of terrorism and genocide and other known horrors that have not been adequately aired for citizens in both the UK and the US in order for us all to make informed decisions about what our nations do and who they do it with, based upon a knowledge of the history of the consequences of these actions.

[emad]

53. They are lookalikes/doppelgangers. The MoD files subpoenaed

by the BCCI lawyers in the London class action reputely have all the UN military intelligence DNA data files on them, proving their geneaology.

In addition, the lawsuit will allege that Margaret Thatcher's Minister for Defence Procurement Jonathan Aitken was put in charge of disseminating all counter-intelligence to these files and personally directed the UK's 'UFO' strategy to rubbish all reference to her attempts at staging a republican coup d'etat, financed initially through Banco Ambrosiano slush funds and then later via Mahdi Tajir's millions, laundered through BCCI.

[Jackpine Radical]

60. This whole thread is beginning to feel like a David Icke book.

So let me be the first to broach the topic--

Hey, what about the Reptile People?

[emad]

73. Icke is a crank that got sued by the MoD for trying to hack into

counter-intelligence files.

[SpiralHawk]

49. A True Man emerges from the grave

to haunt the laTTer-dAy krYpt of the BFEE and all the sub cAvErns that are attached to it.

How ironic that Harry had a sign reading "The buck stops here on his desk," while Chimpy has a sign that reads "I didn't do it. All our problems are traceable to Bill Clinton's penis."

[emad]

55. Harry S and his family have long been background players and

custodians of historical documents that would make the BFEE weep....They have guarded for over 40 years the truth about the murder of 'Trump' Truman and his family and the nature of the covert operations he was involved with working directly for JFK. Later generations of Trumans (or should it be True Men??) have been harassed, attacked, pursued by murderous gangs and threatened with every manner of evil. Obviously chosen not to make a public feature about it......yet.

[RainDog]

62. why?

why would they not choose to make such things public, considering the course of covert ops in this nation since Vietnam?

--or considering the election theft of 2000 by the very people who have been the source of so many incidents which create enough rumor and speculation for a mill the size of a entire nation?

if these people, including the UN person, are in possession of documents which can blow the lid on the bush empire, why are they not forthcoming, seeing that we are facing a world war based upon the neo-con love of war and desire to make the middle east in their image (i.e. occupied territory with control of oil...and, yes, the payoff to Sharon in all this is obvious, and extremely worrisome, considering that Perle was outed by Hersh with sharing documents with Likud in the 70s,

combined with his current manifesto to declare war on Syria, Iran, and France.

I cannot believe these things can be allowed to continue if someone is in possession of evidence which can stop them, that's all I'm saying, considering how dangerous the world is at this time because of the 2000 coup, not to mention past actions like crimes in Chile and Central America and the US and now, looking at Venezuela, not to mention the blowback from these activities which, like the support of the Shah and the overthrow of Mossedegah, have very bad consequences for the honest promotion of democracy in every country around the world.

If that's not reason enough to come forward, then i don't know what is.

[emad]

94. Because the Zapruder footage is counter-intelligence to

the role of the BFEE in masterminding and orchestrating the murder of JFK and his brother, and the murder of Captail Gilbert 'Trump' Truman and most of his family. The salient facts didn't come out until the surviving son successfully sued and won huge damages against the Pentago and the UK's MoD for deliberately setting up his father in a death trap, just when JFK was about to bust various Nazi sympathisers and fascists for terrorism and proliferation of nuclear missiles on the black market.

That's where the aces really stack up.

There wasn't much that Harry S could do but he did make sure that private Truman documents - including all his correspondence with Winston Churchill on this - were entrusted to the family for safe keeping.

[KoKo]

102. How does Margaret get away with writing her "Mysteries" then? Hmmm?

Look, Emad, I agree with Rain Dog, in that there's so much out there we "innocents" would never have dreamed of, but I would feel better if I knew a little more about where you uncovered all you information or even what your background is that led you to search all this out.

Otherwise, even for a :tinfoilhat: mystery lover like myself, it does start to sound too bizarre to sort out here. It's helpful to have more links and connections which can be verified. :shrug:

[emad]

110. I agree. All those who are expert witnesses in the UK lawsuit

including all other journalists like me - are under a gagging order while material is still sub judice or has been cleared from its classified status.

As for Margaret Truman Daniel, she is one of the most eminent, respectable and well known of Democrat edlers, who has successfully campaigned both at presidential level (including Clinton) and for various gubernatorial campaigns. Will post more links puyblished in the UK press as and when available.

[Unknown Known]

57. Majestic-12 and Vannevar Bush

MJ-12 was a high level, top-secret commission set up within the NSC by Truman in 1947. The facts of the creation of this group are sketchy, but some reports contend it was created by Vannevar Bush and James Forrestal after the Roswell "incident".

MJ-12 was a 'Committee' set up inside the NSC. In 1954, President Eisenhower signed the Secret Executive Order, "Order Number 54-12". (NSC=National Security Counsel)

This committee able to take appropriate action without congressional oversight. The MJ-12 group worked closely with the Joint Intelligence Committee, the Air Technical Intelligence Center and Intelligence Advisory Committee. Projects connected to or spun off from MJ-12 were PROJECT SIGMA, PROJECT SIGN which was said to have evolved into PROJECT GRUGE. It can make a person feel uneasy that such an organization was formed outside of the normal channels of our democratic process, that the citizens of the United States work so hard to fund and keep together. Its manifestation set precedents for much of the double-dealing and covert activities that run so rampant within United States Government political system today.

http://www.crystalinks.com/mj12.html

There has been much speculation that this group was set-up as a disinformation organization re: UFO's. However, because of it's secrecy, there is no real way of knowing the truth.

Vannevar Bush - ever heard of him? Extremely important and influential figure of the 20th century. Every time you click on a link (hyperlink)think of him because he invented the concept - "memex".

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memex

I did a lot of research on Bush awhile back because of thought maybe he was related to BFEE. Could never connect them myself but still believe there may be a link. Bush was extremely influential in FDR's administration. There's only one book in existence that I know about him and it is excellent - another part of our hidden history. It's called Endless Frontier: Vannevar Bush, Engineer of the American Centuryby G. Pascal Zachary

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262740222/qid=1074360753/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-7100761-6521765

[Octafish]

68. Vannevar Bush & Jacques Vallee

Vannevar Bush was a visionary. He was a patriot. It is extremely unlikely he shared too close a genetic relation to the Bushes of the BFEE. Is there a blood relationship between Vannevar Bush and the current organized crime family by that name?

As We May Think
by Vannevar Bush

As Director of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, Dr. Vannevar Bush has coordinated the activities of some six thousand leading American scientists in the application of science to warfare. In this significant article he holds up an incentive for scientists when the fighting has ceased. He urges that men of science should then turn to the massive task of making more accessible our bewildering store of knowledge. For years inventions have extended man's physical powers rather than the powers of his mind. Trip hammers that multiply the fists, microscopes that sharpen the eye, and engines of destruction and detection are new results, but not the end results, of modern science. Now, says Dr. Bush, instruments are at hand which, if properly developed, will give man access to and command over the inherited knowledge of the ages. The perfection of these pacific instruments should be the first objective of our scientists as they emerge from their war work. Like Emerson's famous address of 1837 on "The American Scholar," this paper by Dr. Bush calls for a new relationship between thinking man and the sum of our knowledge. —THE EDITOR

This has not been a scientist's war; it has been a war in which all have had a part. The scientists, burying their old professional competition in the demand of a common cause, have shared greatly and learned much. It has been exhilarating to work in effective partnership. Now, for many, this appears to be approaching an end. What are the scientists to do next?

For the biologists, and particularly for the medical scientists, there can be little indecision, for their war has hardly required them to leave the old paths. Many indeed have been able to carry on their war research in their familiar peacetime laboratories. Their objectives remain much the same.

It is the physicists who have been thrown most violently off stride, who have left academic pursuits for the making of strange destructive gadgets, who have had to devise new methods for their unanticipated assignments. They have done their part on the devices that made it possible to turn back the enemy, have worked in combined effort with the physicists of our allies. They have felt within themselves the stir of achievement. They have been part of a great team. Now, as peace approaches, one asks where they will find objectives worthy of their best.

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/computer/bushf.htm


Regarding Jacques Vallee: His is one name all who are interested in learning about UFOs should know. Dr. Vallee is a computer scientist-astronomer who earned his PhD at Northwestern University, working as the right-hand man to Dr. J. Allen Hynek, USAF's scientific advisor to Project BLUEBOOK. Vallee applied computers to UFO reports in the 1960s and found patterns which indicate the phenomon is real. For example, people in central Asia and central Africa, like those in Europe and North America, typically reported circular objects about 10 meters in diameter.

Vallee's thesis regarding UFOs: An unexplained phenomenon exists and acts upon human consciousness. It seem to involve a technology not yet understood by science, let alone recognized by scientific establishment. The phenomena is able to manipulate the experiences of witnesses, leave physical evidence, and yet reveal almost nothing of itself while often changing the world-views of witnesses. He believes UFOs may act as a control system on mankind, prodding human and social evolution along a path of its own selection.

The phenomenon is so bizzare, it seems absurd on some levels, yet behaves at a level of super-rationality on others. Vallee believes the physics behind the reports is of a machine or entity that can travel inter-dimensionally, manipulating space, time and energy, seemingly at will. Vallee said he would be disappointed if the UFOs were to be mere space travelers. He also said that mankind probably will get the visitors we deserve.

Here's a very good interview with Jerome Clark, himself no slouch when it comes to learning about things from the edge of reality:

Jacques Vallee Discusses UFO Control System

Jerome Clark, FATE Magazine, 1978

EXCERPT...

Clark: So in other words there is such a thing as a solid, three-dimensional flying saucer.

Vallee: No, I didn't say that. That may or may not be true. I don't think there is such a thing as the flying saucer phenomenon. I think it has three components and we have to deal with them in different ways.

First, there is a physical object. That may be a flying saucer or it may be a projection or it may be something entirely different. All we know about it is that it represents a tremendous quantity of electromagnetic energy in a small volume. I say that based upon the evidence gathered from traces, from electromagnetic and radar detection and from perturbations of the electromagnetic fields such as Dr. Claude Poher, the French space scientist, has recorded.

Second, there's the phenomenon the witnesses perceive. What they tell us is that they've seen a flying saucer. Now they may have seen that or they may have seen an image of a flying saucer or they may have hallucinated it under the influence of microwave radiation, or any of a number of things may have happened. The fact is that the witnesses were exposed to an event and as a result they experienced a highly complex alteration of perception which caused them to describe the object or objects that figure in their testimony.

Beyond there - the physical phenomenon and the perception phenomenon - we have the third component, the social phenomenon. That's what happens when the reports are submitted to society and enter the cultural arena. That's the part which I find most interesting.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc608.htm

[emad]

98. As far as I understand it, UFO/alien stuff is all cover-up for

nuclear-bomb terrorism. Certainly there were classified reports that the Japanese managed to acquire the technology post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki and that the P2 Lodge has affiliates based in Formosa (Taiwan) as well as in Nagasaki, and that they were bankrolled by counterfeit English banknotes faked by the notorious Kruger in his initial attempt to bombard the UK with this fake currency and start a hyper-inflation nightmare. As far as I can remember, most of the currecncy was eventually recovered but it is thought that some high-spec stash amounting to £50 million was still unaccounted for at the end of 1946, when it started appearing in dribs and drabs south of the US border with Mexico as well as in Honduras, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay and Argentina.

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. ufo reports and nuclear bombs

what connection is there? Why should people seeing something in the sky discredit reports of a nuclear conspiracy by British people?

By the way, there's a documentary on animal cannibalism on Channel 5 tonight. Maybe you can work that in in some way.

[emad]

100. It helps to read the postings instead of firing off at random

Anyone who writes professionally for a living about cold war disinformation campaigns recognises what a counter-intelligence story is. The 'UFO'/aliens genre has been debunked and discounted after years of investigation. The sources financing the broad spectrum of public domain placements of this have ben sourced and are discussed above.

Animal canibalism may/may not be a legitimate area of the Psychopathology of Criminal cults. Not being an expert myslef in this field, I can't possibly comment.

Suggest you read the postings before opining.

[muriel_volestrangler]

101. what's the link between ufos and nuclear weapons' terrorism?

I have read the postings. You can't just say 'one covers up the other' and leave it at that. You may as well claim that England winning the Ashes was a cover-up for a German invasion of Canada. We would like a theory that joins one happening to the other.

Does this post mean you claim to be an expert on everything else you've brought into this thread?

[emad]

111. The BCCI UK lawsuit is going to hear evidence linking BCCI

bankrolling MoD covert campaigns such as UK UFO/Aliens genre, both in terms of publishing houses as well as individual authors. Also de classified stuff on how disgraced former Tory Minister for Arms Procurement (under Thatcher) and Chief Sec to the Treasury under Major, was responsible for the stage management of these funds into these campaigns.

[Unknown Known]

67. Kevin Phillips on BCCI

This is from his recent book, "American Dynasty" which is a MUST read -

"'In the Outlaw Bank, Beaty and Gwynne had this to say about BCCI: 'It was a conspiratorialist's conspiracy, a plot so byzantine, so thoroughly corrupt, so exquisitely private, reaching so deeply into the political and intelligence establishments of so many countries, that it seemed to have its only precedent in the more hallucinogenic fiction of Ian Fleming, Kurt Vonnegut or Thomas Pynchon.'" (p. 269)

[Octafish]

69. BCCI is BFEE

I'm not certain about all the Ian Fleming stand-ins and so on, but this BCCI Bank of QE2 is some serious doo-doo. Check out how Thom Kean, the Co-Chair of the 9-11 Commission is BFEE, connected to bin Laden through his business partner, bin Mahfouz. BCCI? The same players from then had their fingers on the nuclear triggers in Pakistan and Israel, along with an arm on most players in Washington from Orrin Hatch to Jimmy Carter until they got busted by my horse.

Kean Insight

Bush, bin Laden, BCCI and the 9/11 Commission

by CHRIS FLOYD

When George W. Bush's first choice to head an "independent" probe into the Sept. 11 attacks--suspected war criminal Henry Kissinger--went down like a bad pretzel, he quickly plucked another warm body from the stagnant pool of Establishment worthies who are periodically called upon to roll out the whitewash when the big boys screw up.

SNIP...

One of Delta's biggest backers is the aforesaid Mahfouz, a Saudi wheeler-dealer who has bankrolled some of most dubious players on the world scene: Abu Nidal, Manuel Noreiga, Saddam Hussein and George W. Bush. Mahfouz was also a front for the bin Laden family, funneling their vast wealth through American cut-outs in a bid to gain power and influence in the United States.

One of those cut-outs was Mahfouz factotum James Bath, a partner in George W.'s early oil venture, Arbusto. Bath has admitted serving as a pass-through for secret Saudi money. Years later, when Bush's maladroit business skills were about to sink another of his companies, Harken Energy, the firm was saved by a $25 million investment from a Swiss bank--a subsidiary of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BBCI), partly owned by the beneficent Mahfouz.

What was BCCI? Only "one of the largest criminal enterprises in history," according to the U.S. Senate. What did BCCI do? "It engaged in pandemic bribery of officials in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas," says journalist Christopher Bryon, who first exposed the operation. "It laundered money on a global scale, intimidated witnesses and law officers, engaged in extortion and blackmail. It supplied the financing for illegal arms trafficking and global terrorism. It financed and facilitated income tax evasion, smuggling and prostitution." Sort of an early version of the Bush Regime, then.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd01312003.html

[RainDog]

75. Book, Forbidden Truth

also does a quick and easy overview of BCCI and its relation to the bin Laden/bin Mahfouz gang and their connections with the Bush gang.

I've been able to find the BCCI books, most of which are out of print, and have been dipping into them from time to time.

The extent of corruption is truly astounding.

I also did some web searching about the pedophilia ring in Nebraska, and there certainly seems to be something there...and the repub, Lawrence King, and his savings and loan, reminiscent of Neil (prostitutes show up at my door for no reason whatsoever) and the Silverado Savings and Loan and other disaster...

Has anyone hear every read the book by John DeCamp on The Franklin Cover-up?

[Minstrel Boy]

79. "Has anyone hear every read the book by John DeCamp

on The Franklin Cover-up?"

Yes, I did this Fall. Horrific stuff. While I don't necessarily accept all of DeCamp's conclusions, there's more than enough evidence to establish that pedophilia is a part of the picture for these people. Sometimes used as blackmail, sometimes used as "perks."

Have you watched the supressed video, "Conspiracy of Silence", regarding the Franklin story? I think I supplied a link to a DU thread regarding it above. See the thread and you can follow links to download the video.

[9215]

82. I want to get a copy of this book. Did Decamp mention

"Project Truth"? It is a Canadian version of The Franklin Coverup.

Google: Dunlop+"Project Truth"

[Minstrel Boy]

85. No. I think Project Truth was created after his book.

Someone needs to write a book collating the recent cases, from all over the world, of elite pedophile rings protected by authorities.

[9215]

87. I'll tell you what is weird

That Dutch tape about Carlyle where Charles Lewis from the The Center for Public Integrity exposes the profits Carlyle makes from war. About 30 minutes through the tape is Michael Jackson at a Carlyle function with his arm flopped around a Saudi Prince.

If I were to venture a guess I would say that the Saudis are up to their eyeballs in pedophilia and other perversions. A CIA agent named Robert Sensi who worked as a guide for Kuwaiti elites related some first hand accounts of what these people are like.


This is another excerpt from my book:

Sensi said his toughest assignment was acting as guardian of Fahed Al-Sabah, son of the Kuwaiti Crown Prince, when he visited the U.S. His description of Fahed as 'not nuts, but demented' was illistrated by a couple of situations involving Fahed that taxed even the nimble wits of Sensi.

Fahed's fascination with the macabe caused problems when he had a room at the Watergate Building where he kept a cobra out on the balcony that he fed live birds and watched at length with childlike fascination as predator and prey struggled. Sensi had the snake killed out of fear of prying eyes from the Press. Another incident that caused problems was when Fahed beat one of his servants/slaves. When Sensi confronted him telling him that he could not do such things in the US he answered that he could do whatever he liked because: "he is my slave". (Parry, pp.139)

[9215]

106. Here is some more corroboration

http://calgary.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/7214_comment.php
Dyncorp in the article!!
.....Young Russians and Ukrainian women that wish to immigrate to Israel are often smuggled into the country destitute and at the mercy of their pimp. More disgusting is the role the United States government plays in facilitating this global sex trade. Instead of banning the previously mentioned Dyncorp from further defense contracts, the regime of George W Bush rewards it in granting major contracts for the Iraqi war. Even more shameful is the wink and nod the state department grants the Saudis. The Arabian Peninsula has long been known to be purchasers of slaves. Mostly the slaves came from India or Africa however, with the advent of the oil wealth the Saudis have became more selective and are known as high-end buyers. The Saudi Arabian Government continues to refuse to sign the United Nation’s treaty on slavery and extradition treaties. There have been several incidents in the past where the media has reported a slave of a Saudi prince brought into the United States escaped. The State Department then intervenes and returns the escaped slave to the Saudi prince and the incident forgotten. The State Department exempts the Saudi princes from normal custom procedures. A child slave bought by a Saudi prince can be delivered to his plane and allowed to depart without the required passport for the child. One fortunate victim that became entangled in the Saudi sex........

[9215]

107. Tying this back to BCCI

It is BCCI founder "Abedi" who is noted for being able to get girls and boys for his clients.

Where does he get them from?

[RainDog]

88. there was one in Belgium uncovered a few years ago

if I remember correctly...

some sort of seaminess.

[9215]

121. Good memory RD, I hadn' t heard of that, but now I have:

Belgian pedophile rign nabbed: Google: Belgium+pedophile+scandal.

These kids that were victims were being abused by someone......Abedi said he could get girls and boys from anywhere.

http://www.iht.com/IHT/BJ/98/bj022098.html

.....and again, like the Franklin coverup and Project Truth......

Belgium: "Did authorities coverup extent of ring? http://www.radicalparty.org/monitor/iht251299.htm


I wonder if John Walsh from "Americas most Wanted" would want this information.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

89. Here's one

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1027530.htm

[emad]

90. I think some one already has! It's the evidence of the UN Head

of Military Intelligence whose testimony forms the bones of the BCCI creditors' class action in London. This alleges that US paedpholie scandals involving the Catholic Church - including the ones over which Cardinal Law recently resigned over - were systematically covered up using a network of political/military appointments in high office to protect the involvement of the Catholic Church in WW2 in money laundering and bank rolling of Nazis and fascists in general. Second and third generation players of this era are also now in office, continuing the same game of sharades.

Further, it alleges that a parallel scandal in the UK was equally protected using the same methods and that as some of the key players were busted for terrorism and other capital offences, a series of 'lookalikes' took their place and campaign.

Further still, the UN Military Intelligence database shows that what is loosely termed BFEE is connected by DNA to identify the key players, including those who have assumed the identities of 'Tony Blair' and 'George W Bush' etc.

Most of this has been protected in the UK through gagging campaigns by the MoD who also ran a massive disinformation campaign under the guide of 'UFO and aliens' intelligence and subsequent debunking. This was patly to protect the fact that Thatcher was busted - caught in the act - of using Banco Ambrosiano and BCCI laundered cocaine and heroin slush funds to bankroll a coup d'etat which was orchestrated initially by Bush 1 when he was CIA head and initiated when he was VP to Reagan. The subsequent investigation and classified Supreme Court and UK High Court hearings in the 1980s were covered up and counter-intelligence campaigns by the MoD revved up to gag anything leaking into the public domain.

Previous to that, UFO disinformation campaigns in the UK were used to disguise military intervention to foil acts of terrorism which were going to utilise nuclear weapons procured via the Stasi in communist East Germany, destined again to bring coups d'etat and replace the UK's democratic system with a republic.

[emad]

74. UPDATE 3

This is as yet uncorroborated.

Here is a link to a BBC News story about the recent gunshot murder of Lt Col Robert 'Riley' Workman, who was killed on his doorstep in Herfordshire, UK last week:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3401521.stm

My source who is familiar with the testimoney of John Hilberry, the UK general manager of BCCI who testified after a plea bargain deal that secured him a new ID, passport, home and financial means, says that Workman was a MoD official who backed up Hilberry's evidence when it was being investigated by UK police.

Hilberry is a close associate of the 'disappeared' estate agent Suzie Lamplugh who went missing in Fulham, London on 28 July 1986 and has never officially been traced/found. Recent updates from private civil property actions state she was gunned down by the IRA following a trail of money laundering leading to the notorious Heathrow Airport gold bullion heist - the Brinks Mat - in October/November 1983.

Further, it is alleged that Workman was in the same regiment as Hilberry when he did his UK national service, and that they were involved in a 1960s investigation into sex scandals and corruption in the UK military that was eventually hushed up but was centred on the 'sons of Toffs' who got away with paedophile crimes because the MoD did deals with their aristo families. Trying to find out more about this.

My source also claims that Workman was a lifelong pal of retired Banco Ambrosiano liquidator Brian Smouha, who worked for Deloittes (the firm that has brought the BCCI action against the Bank of England) and did all the initial groundwork into the BCCI liquidation before handing over on ritirement in 2001.

Further, the source claims that Smouha, Workman and Hilberry are/were all chums of John Major - a National Service conection I believe, and that while he was PM, Major gave Smouha a Royal Honour (dont know which one - OBE maybe) that was never publicised in order to keep him low profile before the eventual class action.

Trying to find out more. My source is pretty impeccable - retired QC with 35 years of criminal/classified lawsuit experience to his credit. Defended Thatcher when she was sued in the UK courts (after being booted from office in 1990) for criminal harassment of UK-based members of ther Truman family! He says this was the only case he ever lost.....

[9215]

83. Another man who knew too much

Workman's death and Lampluh's dissappearance is very damn suspicious. Their mutual contact was Hilberry.

They'll be more bodies stacking up as this progresses. The thugs have no choice but to eliminate those who know too much. Hopefully authorities will get a grip on the bigger picture and change their investigative techniques--broaden the scope.

[emad]

91. More on Lt Col Workman:

From Sunday Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-967648,00.html

Detectives are met with trays of tea and biscuits in a show of hospitality that only the English can muster in time of murder.
They have established that Workman moved to the village with his wife Joanna in the late 1970s. He had had a long career in the army. His service file shows that after graduating from Oxford in 1940 he took an emergency commission with the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry, which later became part of the Royal Green Jackets.

He spent most of the second world war in the Far East, serving under Field Marshal Sir William (later Viscount) Slim against the Japanese in Burma. Workman stayed in the army after the war and ended his career as commander of a rifle depot where recruits were trained at Winchester, deep in Inspector Wexford country. The current Viscount Slim, 76, a former SAS commander, said: “Riley Workman was my father’s aide-de-camp at the end of the war. He was a first-class officer and a very good soldier of considerable charm. “His murder is the most ghastly thing. He is the last person in the world I would have thought anyone would want to shoot.”

Workman retired from the army in 1965 and became an antiques dealer in Gloucestershire with his sister Mary. He later married Joanna, his housekeeper, and they travelled a good deal before settling in their quaint shiplap cottage in Furneux Pelham. Here the first hint of oddness arises. Joanna called their home Hollyhock Cottage, after her favourite flower. The colonel preferred Cock House, after the weather vane on the roof. This confusion was to bring a further twist of mystery to the night he died.

<snip>

Further, a Judge called Timothy Workman is cited as saying he fears he may have been 'after him':

Judge warned after shooting

From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3398401.stm

It is unclear why widower Robert Workman was shot A district judge from Berkshire has been warned that whoever killed a retired army officer with the same surname, might have been after him instead.
But Timothy Workman, who has presided over high-profile cases, said he does not believe he was the target.
Mr Workman said: "I think this is just one line of inquiry and I think it is not a matter that is causing me undue concern."

Lieutenant Colonel Robert Workman, 83, was killed by a single shot from a 12-bore shotgun in the doorway of his home at Furneux Pelham on the evening of 7 January. A Hertfordshire Police spokeswoman said: "It is one of a number of lines of inquiry that we have taken in the early stages to contact people of a similar name.

<snip>


Other points of note: The village's illustrious resident is Baroness Shirley Williams, Member of the House of Lords and former Labour Party defector who became one of the 'Gang of Four' that formed the SDP/Liberal Democrat Party.

Now she has a close connection both to Viscount Slim's family as well as John Hilberry. I believe she once corroborated some of his initial testimony that BCCI irregularities were well known at the Bank of England but were protected by an old boys network in the military to hush up the Thatcher coup d'etat business.

NB Viscount Slim - the one who workman served as Aide de Camp - was also implicated into an initial police enquiry in 1974 into the disappearance of Lord Lucan, now widely believed to have been murdered as opposed to having committed suicide. The body has never been found but is believed to be buried in a London burial site used by the IRA. Lucan had been alleged to be a sex offneder and child molestor whose crimes were covered up by regimental chums. He allegedly murdered the nanny of his children, Sandra Rivett, in 1974 before disappearing.

[gandalf]

97. "BCCI artist" Mark Lombardi died in 2000

Slightly OT, but interesting nevertheless:
An artist who made pictures, depicting connections between people involved in major crimes, e.g. the BCCI complex, committed "suicide" after he finished his latest work, a drawing about BCCI.

Here is a Village Voice article. Excerpt:

Much is being made lately of the FBI's phone call to the Whitney Museum in the immediate aftermath of the 9-11 attacks requesting access to Mark Lombardi's drawing BCCI, ICIC & FAB (1996-2000). This piece, the last work the artist made before he was found dead in his studio in March 2000, an apparent suicide at age 49, represents the tangled web of power and influence that comprised the largest banking scandal in history?in which an impenetrable network of holding companies, affiliates, subsidiaries, and banks-within-banks laundered billions of dollars while supporting terrorism, arms and drug trafficking, and prostitution. The names of Saddam Hussein and George H.W. Bush, among many other high- and low-profile world figures, are connected by a network of delicate, yet potently insinuating, pencil lines. The FBI agent who called was informed that the work was on view in the museum's galleries, where he was welcome to see it during it during regular museum hours. A visit to the current Mark Lombardi exhibition at the Drawing Center (35 Wooster Street, through December 18) by an affiliate of the Homeland Security Agency has also raised eyebrows in the art world.

[KLA2004]

104. I would like to

read more.

[SpiralHawk]

105. Putting the foucs back on the BCCI trial

When someone is ready to post another substantive UPDATE about the BCCI case, could you please start a new thread -- and includ a link to this old one, so we can go back to it. This is getting long.

Thanks for all the hard work and research the posters have put into this fascinating discussion -- which may hold much potential for the weeks ahead.

Let the truth be revealed. May justice prevail.

Meegwich, SH

[emad]

112. Good idea. I'm bookmarking this one and will continue to post

as and when UK press reports more from the Royal Courts of Justice. There are restrictions from the Judge for all those who are due to testify in a professional capacity - eg. those journalists/writers/hacks who handed over their data bases, contacts' documentation, non-online published work (pre-1992) and stuff that is still sub-judice in other UK lawsuits pending judgement.

The first public witnesses who may be called are Robin Leigh Pemberton and Edward George - former Governors of the Bank of England. The creditors' lawyers are also trying to subpoena John Major who is so far resisting, citing privilege of past office and the official secrets act. Given his membership of Carlyle this is hardly surprising.

[frank frankly]

113. back up top

keeping track of these pigfuckers is tough!

[supercrash]

114. ?

I really don't know what to make of this thread and the story...

[bobthedrummer]

115. It's like filaments

and roots in this thread, branching off the same old BFEE family tree, isn't it?

[9215]

118. Welcome to DU

Alot of us here have been tracking various elements of the BCCI scandal. New elements, like the pedophile stuff, are confusing because there is less concrete about that than some of the financial stuff.

I'd suggest formulating a question on one area that confuses you and ask for a link. Just a suggestion.

[frank frankly]

117. keeping the eye on the big enemy

these pedophile facist sociopath silverspoon motherfuckers