Bush will lose in Iraq

[bobthedrummer]

Our troops are paying the price of neo-conservative arrogance.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/123104Floyd/123104floyd.html

[Benhurst]

1. It's not a question of if the U.S. will be kicked out, but one of when. NT

[LibertyorDeath]

2. Thanks..... good article.

Bush and Rumsfeld claim the insurgents' strategy is to disrupt next month's elections, but the resistance says it has a different agenda. Nada al-Rubaiee, of the central committee of the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance said,

"Everybody in the resistance is agreed on one thing: we want freedom from foreign occupying forces and their puppets."

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/123104Floyd/123104floyd.html

[mediaman007]

6. Once they hated us for our freedoms! Now its because the elections will

make them less important.

Just wait until the history books are rewritten: Native Americans just wanted our plows, the Blacks just wanted to travel. those liberals just wanted our money.

[hangloose]

3. As I see it we are at a stalemate It remains to be seen who as

the most will to win. Generally the home team fights harder and sacrifices more.

[bemildred]

4. Stalemate implies both parties can continue as long as they like.

That seems inaccurate to me, we (the USA) cannot afford this indefinitely,
or even for much longer.

[hangloose]

7. I'm not suggesting it will remain a stalemate indefinitely, but that

it seems to be currently.

[bemildred]

9. OK. A reasonable view, but I disagree.

I think we are losing, for the reason I stated.

[hangloose]

12. In the end your right we will lose, the question is when is the end,

and will we know it when it arrives. Having some insight to what's happening in Iraq through my business I would say at this point that the US is committed to stay a long time. We are spending more money building military bases then infrastructure to rebuild the economy. There are plans to establish 14 major bases in Iraq and some of these will house US personnel. So were on a path of indefinite occupation (regardless of what the official story is) and have plans for expansion. Any change in this plan would not be the result of more Iraqi or American deaths but a policy change by the US government. I don't see this change in the near future.

Having said this I still believe the average American can make a difference, but only if we become organized.

[bemildred]

13. We will be committed until we are not.

Thank you for your insights. I do expect we will have to wait
and see how it unfolds; but you omit the possibility that we will
be forced out by the course of events, and that seems a real
possibility to me. Having worked in defense myself, I am familiar
with the mindset and "thinking" (and I use the term loosely) that
prevails, and your assessment of that seems correct to me. Nevertheless
the fact is these bozos have had their ass handed to them regularly
and there is no reason to think that will change. My own opinion is
that the present situation is viewed as very satisfactory by the
various parties that oppose our policies, and that therefore it will
be allowed to continue as long as we are willing.

[htuttle]

5. In guerilla war, a stalemate is a win for the home team

All they have to do is 'not lose'.

[terry4kerry]

8. Bush has manipulated the world on this one

[peacebird]

14. nah - bush manipulated the american idiots

but the world saw through his shenanigans before the invasion. i think that the world govts are giving the bush admin enough rope to hang themselves, waiting for the US to essentially flame out like the USSR did.

the US can't afford to keep spending borrowed money at the rate the Iraqi war requires indefinitely. i can't help but think that when the painful cuts in social infrastructure rain down in the coming year the governors will start on the warpath - repug & dem alike - and then perhaps the average red stater will begin to hear on MSM about the evil bush has wrought.

will it happen, or happen soon enough to turn things around and save america as we knew it? i just don't know.

[spanone]

10. Going to war on false pretenses---you lose.

[rodeodance]

11. this would make a grand new years card to send to Bush and Rummy:-)

from your link above:

.....The most dangerous cadre is Jaish Muhammad (JM). JM is notoriously responsible for the August 2003 attack against the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad. JM has also been quite active in Falluja fighting U.S. forces. The Al Tawhid wal Jihad, the alleged Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi's terrorist cadre, is comprised of between 1,000-1,500 fighters, a third of whom are foreigners. This movement is divided into seven zones: Mosul, Anbar, Baghdad, Samara, Al Diayli, Al Qum, and Falluja..........


Bush and Rumsfeld only recently and reluctantly raised the U.S. troop level to 150,000.

According to experts, there were 25,000 Mukhabarat agents before the invasion. The unemployed Iraqi Army numbers 350,000. Plus there are 3,000,000 armed Baath Party faithful lying in wait.

Bush and Rumsfeld can only lose in Iraq.......