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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:32 AM
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Worst Voter Error Is Apathy Toward Irregularities
Is anyone surprised that accusations of voter disenfranchisement and irregularities abound after the most passionately contested presidential campaign in memory? Is anybody stunned that the mainstream media appear largely unconcerned?

To many people's thinking, too few citizens were discouraged from voting to matter. Those people would suggest that not nearly enough votes for John Kerry were missed or siphoned away to overturn President Bush's win. To which I'd respond: Excuse me -- I thought this was America.

*snip*

Come on. If Republicans had lost the election, this column would be unnecessary because Karl Rove and company would be contesting every vote. I keep hearing from those who wonder whether Democrats are "too nice," and from others who wonder whether efforts by the mainstream media to be "fair and balanced" sometimes render them "neutered and less effective."

Perhaps. But the much-publicized voting-machine error that gave Bush 4,258 votes in an Ohio precinct where only 638 people cast ballots preceded a flood of disturbing reports, ranging from the Florida voting machine that counted backward to the North Carolina computer that eliminated votes. In Ohio's Warren County, election officials citing "homeland security" concerns locked the doors to the county building where votes were being counted, refusing to allow members of the media and bipartisan observers to watch.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43630-2004Nov11.html

I'm glad to see that someone in a major publication is documenting these events and asking questions. We need to be doing more of this.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:35 AM
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1. Right on!
It's high time we put an end to this shit, or we'll never get a real Democracy back!:headbang:
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:42 AM
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2. Boycott Bush
I found this list and am calling all of them and letting them know that I am boycotting them Canceled my Sam's membership and feel better. We need to put our money where our mouths are and then I think we will start to be heard!

http://www.boycottbush.net/printlist.htm

If anyone knows of a better list, please let me know! Thanks!
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:48 AM
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3. Welcome to DU, terip64!
I think you'll find some others very interested in this form of activism. We're in a bit of a forum shake-up right now, so I'll direct you to them when I know where they will be!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:05 AM
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8. Hi terip64!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:49 AM
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4. Anyone who is apathetic to the voting irregularities is either
very stupid, or they wanted the Pubs to win regardless or they have no understanding of the importance of honest elections in a Democracy.
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we.can.do.better Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:22 AM
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9. Yes we should care. Here is what we can do:

1. Make damned sure that you got good voting machines in your neigborhood for 2006. These machines come from somewhere. Find out who approves them, and who appoints these people. It varies from state to state ( It is not a Federal thing, it happens at the state level).

If they try to start this Diebold crap in 2006, nip it in the bud.
They may have the bucks, but we have the people. If each one of one us keeps an eye on what happens in his neighborhood, We have the problem half-way licked.

2. Give whatever money you can to the Democratic party.
They got the smarts and the know-how to hire the kind of lawyers who can uncover any monkey business. We got some pretty people on our side, but this sort of thing takes a lot of money.
If you got it, give it to the people who know how to use it. Don't waste their time with your ranting, give them power with your donations.

3. Find out which neighbor/friend/lover/co-worker/acqaintance voted for Bush, and find out why.
Then kindly and calmly tell him how it was really him who lost the election.

4. Give up on the MSM (Main Stream Media). They don't care about any voter fraud. They just want to add to their corporate coffers. Instead concentrate on building up a credible alternative media.
The DU is a start, but we need the kind of objective media that Americans used to take for granted. Work towards setting up some kind of alternative to the Drudge Reports and the Free Republics.
If you find a viable site, subscribe to it and give them money. I enjoy free stuff on the internet as much as anyone, but if we want a quality alternative to the whorehounds of the MSM, its going to take a little money.
Your (paid) supscriptions are what make that happen

I don't know. Thats what I think. Maybe some of you people with more experience than I have might have better ideas. But I really think my 4 ideas could make a difference
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michaelwb Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:00 PM
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11. or
"Anyone who is apathetic to the voting irregularities is either very stupid, or they wanted the Pubs to win regardless or they have no understanding of the importance of honest elections in a Democracy."

Or apparently a leader in the national Democratic party - judging by the inaction in 2000 & 2004 (so far)
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:21 PM
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12. I included them in with the ones who wanted the Republicans
to win. Maybe having something to do with Ms. Clinton's 2008
chances.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:04 AM
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5. Great article. Thanks for posting. (nt)
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:27 AM
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7. You're welcome
Donna Britt has published some great columns lately -- she's with the Metro section of the WP.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:13 AM
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6. Vince Lombardi replaces Constitution
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 10:14 AM by PATRICK
Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. The Nixonites loved moral principles like that. The American people were mostly proud of this jocular arrogance and blind to its applied consequences.

Illegality, the loss of everything, the war crimes for profit in Iraq, the BS, the suppression of truth(dissent? A joke, you losers!). Bush wins. The math of the will of the people in the spoiled voting system says otherwise? That's then this is now.

The illusion of "winning" sustained by a wrong multiplied by arrogance and stupidity is unsustainable.

These kind of winners are history's biggest losers- in the long run.

Perhaps they take smug satisfaction in all the harm they have done to the truth, the majority and their nation.

In reality, like old, unpunished dictators schmoozing by the poolside in Biarritz, they blame only the people for letting them down, and yes they are consistent because those people they turned into losers could no longer bear the burden of a deadly lie.

America under the Lombardi Doctrine is a damned lie through and through. What victory in that except for evil?
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we.can.do.better Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:47 AM
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10. excuse my ignorance
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 11:49 AM by we.can.do.better
oops. made a stupid mistake. sorry.
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