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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:39 AM
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Moonie Times: Blue states buzz over secession
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 06:40 AM by Snellius
Secession, which didn't work very well when it was tried once before, is suddenly red hot in the blue states. In certain precincts, anyway.

One popular map circulating on the Internet shows the 19 blue states won by Sen. John Kerry Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeastern states conjoined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada." The 31 red states carried by Mr. Bush are depicted as a separate nation dubbed "Jesusland."
The idea isn't just a joke; one top Democrat says, "The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."

"Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC. "But the more this political condition goes on at the presidential level of the red and blue states, the more you're testing the inclination of the blue states to say, 'So what?' "

Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend. "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, New York Democrat.

In a telephone interview, Mr. O'Donnell said the red states that went to Mr. Bush "collect more from the federal government than they send in. New York and California, Connecticut the states that are blue are all the states that are paying for the bulk of everything this government does, from ... Social Security to everything else, and the people in those states don't like what this government is doing."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041109-122753-5113r...
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:42 AM
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1. Wow, twice as many people read the WT than I thought. n/t
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:44 AM
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2. That would be a total of two...
...or 3 readers, if Bush reads only the WT like he claims he does. Do they carry Family Circus in the Times?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:46 AM
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4. Bush still hasn't finished "My Pet Goat" nt
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:49 AM
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10. be nice
It'll take him awhile, he's reading it slowly to savor the subtle character development.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:31 AM
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9. It used to be 3, but now down to 2...
Reagan claimed it was the only paper he read as well.
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:46 AM
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3. Sounds like a plan to me
They've got Texas and Florida to earn revenue, may they all live happily ever after in Jesus's Name!
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:48 AM
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5. No offense meant to the progressives
stuck in the Red states. Come on over to our place, you'd love it here. (It just gets alittle cold and snowy in this part of town)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:13 AM
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7. They won't have Florida for long.
Hurricanes are making it a little more Federal-money dependent. And, er, it will probably become more hispanic if trends continue. They'll lose on two fronts.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:25 AM
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16. With the way the poles are melting, Florida will soon be underwater...
...then ALL of the state can be baptized all the time in the name of Jesus, AMEN!
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:19 AM
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17. Are 'the Poles' melting because Kerry forgot Poland?
sorry, couldn't resist
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 06:55 AM
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6. I'm getting so tired of the "Red State"//"Blue State" talk
Red/Blue State is a divisive Republican frame. We need to quit using the terms. The states are all different shades of Indigo.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:27 AM
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8. i was raised in illinois and california
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 07:28 AM by xchrom
they are definetly not the same.
except for chicago{which i love, btw}
you can have the rest of the state.
while red/blue might be too generalized -- it indicates an amazing cultural difference that exists.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:56 AM
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12. You must be from a red state.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:27 AM
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18. BUUZZZZZZZZ!!!! Try again.
All three of my national candidates won, all Dem: Melissa Bean, Barack Obama & John Kerry.

Illinois, a purple state.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:50 AM
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11. works for me
As much as I hate to admit it, I'd be happy if the US broke up and I was able to live in an independent North East.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:57 AM
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13. This article smells of talking points.
Who the fuck is talking about secession? The moonies of course! Nothing like having to answer your own questions. These people will drive you nuts if you let them!
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:15 AM
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14. Let's First Create Two New States
North Ohio and South Ohio; We here in North Ohio are NOT the same as those from the southern part of our state. We think progressive while they think medieval.

Just simply draw a line beginning near Toledo, cutting down through Wayne County, into Stark, Holmes, Tuscarawas, Guernsey, Harrison, Belmont and Jefferson counties and let those hicks in South Ohio enjoy the fruits of their labors.

Then please count North Ohio as part of the United States of Canada. We want out of Red Status and into Blue and the sooner the better!!
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:24 AM
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15. United States of Canada sounds FINE to me.
I'm ready to stick Jesusland with all that debt.
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