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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:33 AM
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Revealed:How Obama was playing golf until 20 minutes before Navy SEALs began mission to take out OBL
Source: dailymail

Revealed: How Obama was playing golf until 20 minutes before Navy SEALs began mission to take out Bin Laden

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A new book claims the official account was riddled with errors and that Bin Laden was referred to as 'Bert' and not just 'Geronimo'.

Also, none of the Navy SEALs said the now famous words: 'For God and country', and when they burst into Bin Laden's room, his wife screamed: 'No, no, don't do this... its not him!'

...

The claims are from Chuck Pfarrer, a former SEAL team commander, in a book called SEAL Target Geronimo.


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Mr Pfarrer says the President's role was largely inflated and suggests he stayed out on the golf course for so long so he could distance himself in case it went wrong. Mr Pfarrer writes: 'If this had completely gone south, he was in a position to disavow.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058229/Obama-p...



Did the wifes ever say what they meant by "it's not him" ?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:36 AM
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1. This goes in the . . .
. . . who gives a rat's ass category.

And on what planet is this crap breaking news?
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:37 AM
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2. So that pic of the President, VP, Hillary etc.
Edited on Mon Nov-07-11 07:40 AM by Kingofalldems
watching the live feed is fake? Don't think so.

Murdoch publication?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:41 AM
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4. "20 minutes before Navy SEALs began mission"
That would still give them enough time to congregate in the situation room to watch the mission.

I don't think the picture was faked.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:46 AM
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12. Why do you assume the writer tells the truth?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:58 AM
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17. Not unconditionally
I need to read the same account from two or three sources to take it as concrete.

My point was more that it was possible to be golfing until 20 minutes before the mission started. The key would be mission started.

None of this matters anyway, it is just a BS story.

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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:41 AM
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5. Hillary said it was an allergy
Edited on Mon Nov-07-11 07:42 AM by jakeXT
Hillary Clinton's Allergies, Not Anguish, To Blame For Bin Laden Photo

(Reuters) - An allergy and not anguish may explain why Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had her hand to her mouth while watching the commando operation to kill Osama bin Laden, she said on Thursday.

A photo of Clinton, President Barack Obama and other senior officials watching the operation live from the White House situation room has become one of the most striking images of the raid that killed the al Qaeda leader.

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"I am somewhat sheepishly concerned that it was my preventing one of my early spring allergic coughs. So it may have no great meaning whatsoever,"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/05/hillary-clinto...
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 04:57 PM
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31. What really happened to Osama
What they were watching was live video but it was shot from 6000m by a drone circling overhead and relayed in real time to the White House and Leon Panetta, the CIA director, in Langley. The SEALs were not wearing helmet cameras, and those watching in Washington had no idea what was happening inside the buildings.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/what-real...
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:40 AM
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3. The Navy Seals have denied that this writer ever spoke to any
members of the team who went after Bin Ladin.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/04/how-inside-is-...
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 10:31 AM
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29. So the author is a self-confessed liar. From the link:
Pfarrer said he engaged in 'dramatic reconstruction" of some events in the book where he directly quoted top officials involved in the attack including Admiral William McRaven, who at the time commanded the Joint Special Operations Command that ran the operation.


Anytime I try to use a dramatic reconstruction, people tell me, "STOP LYING!"

It's actually good advice.
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Charlemagne Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:41 AM
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6. Bert
I know what they mean by "Bert." Remember all those funny pictures of Bert from Sesame Street? The ones where it had him hanging out with hitler and the unabomber....these were big in the late 1990s. Well, the intelligence community was trying to study how stuff on the internet went viral. How information ravels between people on the web. They did this because they wanted to know exactly how Bin Ladens messages went from somewhere in Afghanistan to gaining a world audience. If there figured this out, they could figure out the ways to intercept the messages AND find out the various terror networks that spread the message.

As a case study, they used the Bert images. They knew the origin and used a sophisticated data mining program to work out the logistics. They then applied this to Bin Laden. Col. Anthony Schaffer used this method to find the people who would eventually become the hijackers.

So trying to find Bert = trying to find Bin laden.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:45 AM
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7. 3 words: COMMANDER IN CHIEF
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:46 AM
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10. With about 100 layers between him and the Seal Team nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:03 AM
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20. Not really on this operation.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:45 AM
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8. Daily Mail? This is a valid source?
And who are Pfarrer's sources?
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catbyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:46 AM
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9. So? I'll bet he was nervous as hell & if golf helps him relax, great.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:46 AM
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11. BTW, the playing golf thing was good cover
for not tipping off any operations.

Two words: Rupert Murdoch
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:49 AM
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13. This "SEAL" is rather a stupid man, isn't he? He WAS NOT THERE.
This chubby fuck is a "former commander", whatever that may be, who "talked to" the SEALS who were there, supposedly.

So the first thing is that all of his book is at best hearsay, if not complete fantasy.

What's his actual criticism? That Obama didn't have his flight suit on and ready to fly in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Pfarrer

According to his bio, he was in the Navy for eight years, from 1981-1989, so he's not a career officer, and he's been out for 22 years.

So what's he do now? Oh, yeah, he's a novelist and a screenwriter. Hasn't won an award of any kind, but here's the list of world-changing works:

Fiction
Killing Che (2007)
Rapid City (2008)
Phillip Nolan (2010)
Non-fiction
Warrior Soul, The Memoir of a Navy SEAL (2004)
SEAL Target Geronimo, The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama bin Laden (2011)
Graphic novels
Virus 1, 2, 3, 4 (1996)
The Thing from Another World: Climate of Fear (1995)
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/92-196/Virus-1-of-4
Screenplays
Navy SEALs
Darkman
Hard Target
Virus
The Jackal
Red Planet
Barb Wire


Well, wow, he's so impressive that I do believe I'll buy one his comic books, I mean, graphic novels.

No, I won't.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:51 AM
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14. "Now watch this shot". nt
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:54 AM
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15. The Daily Mail??
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 11:07 PM
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33. Yup. The Daily Fail. At your service.
Promoting bizarre nonsense, including anti-vaccine propaganda forever and ever.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 07:57 AM
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16. OBL was never called "Geronimo." The code for mission accomplished was "Geronimo." n/t
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:01 AM
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18. I would assume the Bert tag came from this internet meme
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:01 AM
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19. What a pile of crap. Like the President could avoid blame because he was golfing. Anyone who would
believe this a dunce because that is just idiotic. You give the order, you get the blame. This is patently ludicrous.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:03 AM
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21. "he could distance himself;"
He could have been taking a huge dump or taken up jogging ala Bill.

Although if this is true, then the rumors that Obama DID order the take down of Osama were also false because it's difficult to aussage a complicated situation such as this AND make critical decisions in real life, no pun intended, all the while playing golf.

In my first scenario, what was he to do, yell through the door, I'm not finished yet. Well, that could have been misinterpreted by the Secret Service as Osama if finished.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:06 AM
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22. So, the writer of that book was telling the absolute truth, and had
Edited on Mon Nov-07-11 08:10 AM by MineralMan
intimate knowledge of the President's activities. I see...

Unrecced for bullshit. This is in no way Breaking News. It's just propaganda from the right. Feh!
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:23 AM
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23. Ha, HA, ha ha ha ha ha
Thank you for this terrific laugh on a Monday morning.

Like "I was golfing, so it wasn't my fault" is a distancing plan. Oh, my eyes are
watering, I'm laughing so hard.

I cry "Bullshitt!"

Oh my, another book
aimed at people who don't think.

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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:31 AM
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24. Dailymail = National Enquirer. nt
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 08:42 AM
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25. Unrec for... never mind
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MjolnirTime Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 09:09 AM
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26. Obama is such a badass, he can get Osama and golf at the same time.
Are you jealous?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 09:48 AM
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27. The GOPers are so jealous their drool cup overflows w envy and frustration
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Occupy_2012 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 10:27 AM
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28. Golf excuses responsibility?
Wow, then I'm taking up golf today. I'll go to Neiman Marcus and clean the place out, then be on the golf course when the bill comes in. No one will blame me. Perfect plan!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 11:32 AM
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30. What should he have done? Changed his schedule abruptly so that our enemies would know something
was up? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-11 09:28 PM
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32. Another misdirect. The real issue is that he got the Secret Service guy

to cut a couple strokes off his scorecard. (Finally, he uses the bully pulpit).
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 02:33 AM
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34. my guess: Mr. Pfarrer is a birther
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:01 AM
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35. They got the guy, right?
Obama could have been playing foozball at a frat house for all I care. Mission accomplished.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:19 AM
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36. Did they? nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:01 AM
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37. (facepalm)
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