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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:23 PM
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Libya's liberation: interim ruler unveils more radical than expected plans for Islamic law
Source: Telegraph UK

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".

But that formulation can be interpreted in many ways - it was also the basis of Egypt's largely secular constitution under President Hosni Mubarak, and remains so after his fall.

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi's era that he said was in conflict with Sharia - that banning polygamy.

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Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil's decision - made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process - will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi's rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...



You reap what you sow when al-Qaeda power-brokers are installed into the direct flowstream of sovereign power. The US/UK and their NATO lackeys damn well knew this all along.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:26 PM
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1. Will this stop the victory party
Nah..half the so called liberals will think this is a case for Hillary to run in 2012.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:27 PM
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2. No doubt the Rethuglicans will latch onto this and blame the President.
The talking point will be Obama is helping the Islamists to take over the world.
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Papagoose Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:46 PM
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6. This meme is already out...
I've had several Republican acquaintances tell me that the President is at war with the allies of the west...that he is helping to overthrow "reasonable middle easterners" with Islamists.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 11:08 PM
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23. And unfortunately, many isolationist liberals are happy to help.
Including by spreading the right-wing's bullshit claims about how Libya is being taken over by Al Qaeda.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:36 PM
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3. Ok, sorry, I missed something. Can someone catch me up?
Who installed the al-Quaeda power brokers, and as what?
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:48 PM
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7. "word" was earlier this year that "al quaeda" has a strong hand in this arab spring phenomenon
"al quaeda" used very loosely. They likey have nothing to do with the OBL network, except using the moniker. The story never got traction> I think that is because it is nothing more than speculation.

trying to link the installation of Sharia law into a new libyan leadership directly to AQ is a s-t-r-e-t-c-h.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:01 PM
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9. not speculation, see below
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:09 PM
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11. Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...

Who is Abdul Hakim Belhadj, the leader of the Libyan rebels?

His name has been in the news a lot recently, but who exactly is Abdul Hakim Belhadj, the military commander of the Libyan rebels?

In March 2010, Al Jazeera broadcast a film of a meeting between Belhadj after his release from prison in Libya under the initiative of the Gaddafi Charity Foundation following the intervention of Saif al-Islam Gaddafi. More than 700 of the "leaders" of the Libyan Fighting Group have been released in stages, even though they were accused of joining Al-Qaeda; some were also accused of fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. In the film, Abdul Hakim Belhadj praises the mediation of Dr Saif al-Islam for his release.

In an interview at the time, Saif al-Islam told reporters that the men who had been released "were no longer a danger to society" so he has no problem about their release. A year or so later, Belhadj was entering Tripoli at the head of a rebel army searching for Saif al-Islam Gaddafi and his father. So who is Abdul Hakim Belhadj?

Born in 1966 in the Libyan capital Tripoli, Abdul Hakim Khuaelide, or Abdul Hakim Belhadj as he became known, is a son of the Islamic movement in the country. He graduated from the school of engineering and was one of the most prominent young men involved in the Afghan jihad against the Soviet Union in the late nineteen-eighties. Belhadj was a "Mujahid", travelling with his Shaikh, Abdullah Azzam, and other luminaries of jihad in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey and Sudan.

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/resources/reports-a...
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 10:17 PM
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21. Frankly, the connection or lack of it to Al-Queda is a red herring
One can be a rigid, bloodthirsty and repressive Islamist and have no connection with the loose confederation that is Al-Queda. It's rather amorphous anyway.

It's like an American Nazi saying he has nothing to do with those Klan guys.

It will be an interesting next few months, and if history is any guide, things will get at least a bit unstable after a few months. All of this will, of course, play into the hands of the Republicans, as will the Iraq withdrawal.

No offense meant to you; you've been on the moral and ethical side of the Libya debates...

Just sayin'...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:45 AM
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26. I think that's probably right. n/t
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:52 PM
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8. Libya's so-called revolution-Lies, War,al-Qaeda,& Empire:NATOs Humanitarian Imperialism
al-Qaeda is a West-created/funded insta-war/invasion/liberty crackdown/fear machine, an artificial hydra, utilizing the 150 year-old methods the British practised in the middle east. The 'tip of the spear' low-level terrorists are many time actual believers in their cause, but the operational control is far removed from that paradigm.


The Imperial Anatomy of Al-Qaeda: The CIAs Drug-Running Terrorists and the Arc of Crisis

http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/07/15/the-imperial-...
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The Power of Nightmares

subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a 3 part BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis.
The films compare the rise of the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and claiming similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organized force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countriesand particularly American Neo-Conservativesin an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lByw7kvS0 part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai6LhnW4Oa8 part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvzR8w1z2g part 3

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Remember, the USA seeds of al-Qaeda started in 1978 and 1979, under Robert Gates and Zbigniew Brzezinski of the Carter regime, (now Gates has been the Sec of Defense under both Bush and Obama) and Brzezinski is a de facto chief architect of geo-political policy for the Obama administration http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65720/zbigniew-b... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23726367#237263... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopo...


Zbigniew Brzezinski:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=cambodia...


1980-1986: China and US Support Kymer Rouge

http://www.yale.edu/cgp/us.html

China and the US sustain the Khmer Rouge with overt and covert aid in an effort to destabilize Cambodias Vietnam-backed government. With US backing, China supplies the Khmer Rouge with direct military aid. Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser during the administration of President Carter, will later acknowledge, I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China could.

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September 4, 1997: Brzezinskis The Grand Chessboard Advocates Overthrow of Iranian Goverment


The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. In the book Brzezinski details how in order to protect Americas status as the last remaining super power on earth it would be necessary to invade and control key locations in the Middle East, particularly Iran. The book theorizes that America could be attacked by Afghan terrorists which would lead to our invasion of Afghanistan and ultimately control of Iran as a key strategic country to hold in the war for global supremacy.



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Th US empire's currency (the rapidly-dying dollar) is backed up, collateralized by oil, and the oil is backed up by the global Anglo-American war machine.

This crisis point with the current global monetary debt regime will occur in the next 5 to 10 years max, it even may cause a new world war, as many industrialized countries (not just 3rd world periphery states) will simply be unable to continue to operate at a level that will prevent their own citizens from outright civil wars and coup d' etats (much like we see now in the 'arc of crisis' ie. Morocco to the Chinese border).

This concept was laid out over 30 years ago by Zbigniew Brzezinski (chief geo-political strategist for Carter, now for Obama) in his books, speeches and CFR articles. His goal is to use this arc to force a China vs. Russia war by 2020. This will complete the elimination (in his mind) of the last threat to the Anglo/American banking cartel for true, lasting technetronic global hegemony.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921766...

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/32309/george-len...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopo...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/01/04-0

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2 key books by Zbigniew Brzezinski

The Grand Chessboard

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grand-Chessboard-American-Geost...

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119973.pdf

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Between Two Ages

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Between-Two-Ages-Americas-Techn...

http://wearechange.org.uk/london/wp-content/themes/arra...


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Creating an "Arc of Crisis": The Destabilization of the Middle East
and Central Asia
The Mumbai Attacks and the Strategy of Tension

http://www.scribd.com/doc/24770171/Creating-an-Arch-of-...




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Case Study - the Libya invasion and US/UK/NATO support of al-Qaeda :



Abdel Hakim Belhaj is a ranking al-Qaeda leader (emir of the Islamic Fighting Group of Libya)

http://www.pvtr.org/pdf/Report/RSIS_Libya.pdf (page 18 has interview with Belhaj)

One of Belhaj's underlings is Nasser Tailamoun, who was Osama bin Laden's driver. Qadaffi released these 2, plus dozens of other radicals, in September of 2010.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/libya-releases-islami...

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US and NATO use and support of al-Qaeda in the Libya coup d' etat

Abdel Hakim Belhaj, Tripoli's newly installed military governor (also a key official within Libya's National Transitional Council), is linked to Al Qaeda, reports Libertion (Leftist French newspaper).

http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012356209-abdelhakim-b...

http://translate.google.se/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en...

Belhaj is the former head of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (an affiliate group of Al Qaeda). In 2003, Belhaj was arrested in Malaysia in 2003, later being interrogated by CIA in 2004 in Thailand. He was set free in Libya in 2008.


It's important to note Belhaj is supported by NATO, as Le Parisien and MSN France report:


http://news.fr.msn.com/m6-actualite/monde/libye-calme-r...

10 h 20. Un islamiste la tte du commandement militaire de la rbellion Tripoli. Abdelhakim Belhadj a t le chef militaire qui a prpar, avec l'aide de l'Otan, la prise du QG de Kadhafi, Bab Al-Azizya. Al-Jazeera lui a consacr un long entretien en direct du QG l'issue des combats. Ancien dirigeant du Groupe islamique des combattants libyens (GICL), li Al-Qaida, Abdelhakim Belhadj, a t arrt en 2004 par les Amricains en Asie et livr par la suite la Libye, selon la presse arabe. Il aurait bnfici de l'amnistie de centaines d'islamistes libyens en mars 2010 ordonne par Saif Al-Islam, fils prfr de Kadhafi.



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Karel Abderrahim, a researcher at the Institute of International and Strategic Relations (Institut de relations internationales et stratgiques, a French think tank) said in an interview to La Croix, a Catholic French newspaper, that he is skeptical about the dissolution of Al Qaeda-Libyan Islamic Fighting Group:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=p...

Further background:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/libyan-fighting...

http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2011/08/27/al-qaeda-in-libya...

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Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...

"Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.

In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries"....................


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flashback 2 years (including Young Turks video) more US support of terrorist groups

Saudis and CIA back Khalid Sheikh Mohammads Jundullah in Pakistan and Iran?

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/12/saudis-and-cia-ba...

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flashhback to 2007 (BBC)

Libyan Islamists 'join al-Qaeda'


Zawahri called for North African leaders to be overthrown
A Libyan Islamist group has joined al-Qaeda, according to an audio message on the internet attributed to the radical network's second-in-command.
Ayman al-Zawahri purportedly said the Fighting Islamic Group in Libya was becoming part of al-Qaeda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7076604.stm

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flasback to 2002 (Guardian UK) French intelligence experts revealed how western intelligence agencies bankrolled a Libyan Al-Qaeda cell

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/nov/10/uk.david...

MI6 'halted bid to arrest bin Laden'Startling revelations by French intelligence experts back David Shayler's alleged 'fantasy'about Gadaffi plot

British intelligence paid large sums of money to an al-Qaeda cell in Libya in a doomed attempt to assassinate Colonel Gadaffi in 1996 and thwarted early attempts to bring Osama bin Laden to justice.
The latest claims of MI6 involvement with Libya's fearsome Islamic Fighting Group, which is connected to one of bin Laden's trusted lieutenants, will be embarrassing to the Government, which described similar claims by renegade MI5 officer David Shayler as 'pure fantasy'


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Lies, War, and Empire: NATOs Humanitarian Imperialism in Libya (Video + Article)

http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/26/lies-war-and-...

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It has been said, In war, truth is the first casualty. Libya is no exception. From the lies that started the war, to the rebels linked to al-Qaeda, ethnically cleansing black Libyans, killing civilians, propaganda, PR firms, intelligence agents, and possible occupation; Libya is a more complex story than the fairy tale we have been sold. Reality always is.

What Were the Reasons for Intervention?

We were sold the case for war in Libya as a humanitarian intervention. We were told, of course, that we needed to intervene in Libya because Muammar Gaddafi was killing his own people in large numbers; those people, on the same token, were presented as peaceful protesters resisting the 40-plus year reign of a brutal dictator.

In early March of 2011, news headlines in Western nations reported that Gaddafi would kill half a million people.<1> On March 18, as the UN agreed to launch air strikes on Libya, it was reported that Gaddafi had begun an assault against the rebel-held town of Benghazi. The Daily Mail reported that Gaddafi had threatened to send in his African mercenaries to crush the rebellion.<2> Reports of Libyan government tanks sitting outside Benghazi poised for an invasion were propagated in the Western media.<3> In the lead-up to the United Nations imposing a no-fly zone, reports spread rapidly through the media of Libyan government jets bombing the rebels.<4> Even in February, the New York Times the sacred temple for the stenographers of power we call journalists reported that Gaddafi was amassing thousands of mercenaries to defend Tripoli and crush the rebels.<5> Italys Foreign Minister declared that over 1,000 people were killed in the fighting in February, citing the number as credible.<6> Even a top official with Human Rights Watch declared the rebels to be peaceful protesters who are nice, sincere people who want a better future for Libya.<7> The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights declared that thousands of people were likely killed by Gaddafi, and called for international intervention to protect civilians.<8> In April, reports spread near and far at lightning speed of Gaddafis forces using rape as a weapon of war, with the first sentence in a Daily Mail article declaring, Children as young as eight are being raped in front of their families by Gaddafis forces in Libya, with Gaddafi handing out Viagra to his troops in a planned and organized effort to promote rape.<9>

As it turned out, these claims as posterity notes turned out to be largely false and contrived. Doctors Without Borders and Amnesty International both investigated the claims of rape, and have found no first-hand evidence in Libya that rapes are systematic and being used as part of war strategy, and their investigations in Eastern Libya have not turned up significant hard evidence supporting allegations of rapes by Qaddafis forces. Yet, just as these reports came out, Hillary Clinton declared that the U.S. is deeply concerned by reports of wide-scale rape in Libya.<10> Even U.S. military and intelligence officials had to admit that, there is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas; at the same time Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, told a closed-door meeting of officials at the UN that the Libyan military is using rape as a weapon in the war with the rebels and some had been issued the anti-impotency drug. She reportedly offered no evidence to backup the claim.<11>


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article is heavily footnoted and sourced (127 total footnotes) with hyperlinks as well
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:25 PM
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14. Fox News on DU
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 09:33 PM by tabatha
There are no Al Qaeda in Libya. Do you really think that Obama and Clinton would be so stupid. And John McCain.
They are spending billions fighting Al Qaeda elsewhere - so they are going to support the installation of Al Qaeda in Libya?

There is just too much Fox News thinking on DU.
Fox takes a break from ignoring Gadhafi death to warn audience that Al Qaeda may now take over Libya
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/20/1028347/-Fox-t...

In March 2011, members of the LIFG in Ajdabiya declared to the press that the group supports the revolt against Gaddafi's rule, and had placed themselves under the leadership of the National Transitional Council. They also stated that the group had changed its name to Libyan Islamic Movement (al-Harakat al-Islamiya al-Libiya), had around 500600 militants released from jail in recent years, and denied any past or present affiliation with Al-Qaeda.<23>

An emir of the LIFG, Abdelhakim Belhadj,<24> became the commander of the Tripoli Military Council after the rebels took over Tripoli during the 2011 Battle of Tripoli.

NOTE - This group represents < 3% of all Libyans. But it is so easy to use that goddamned paintbrush again, and paint everyone the same.

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O.M.G. Sharia law !!!

The legal systems in 21st century Muslim majority states can be classified as follows:

Sharia in the secular Muslim states: Muslim countries such as Mali, Kazakhstan and Turkey have declared themselves to be secular. Here, religious interference in state affairs, law and politics is prohibited.<37> In these Muslim countries, as well as the secular West, the role of sharia is limited to personal and family matters.

The Nigerian legal system is based on English Common Law and the constitution guarantees freedom of religion and separation of church and State. However eleven northern states have adopted sharia law for those who practice the Muslim religion.<38>

Muslim states with blended sources of law: Muslim countries including Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco and Malaysia have legal systems strongly influenced by sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law. These countries conduct democratic elections, although some are also under the influence of authoritarian leaders. In these countries, politicians and jurists make law, rather than religious scholars. Most of these countries have modernized their laws and now have legal systems with significant differences when compared to classical sharia.<39>

Muslim states using classical sharia: Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states do not have constitutions or legislatures. Their rulers have limited authority to change laws, since they are based on sharia as it is interpreted by their religious scholars. Iran shares some of these characteristics, but also has a parliament that legislates in a manner consistent with sharia.<40>

Have you read the TNC charter ?? If the answer is no, you will not be able to tell which Sharia Law implementation will be followed.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:53 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:48 AM
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27. LOL! That's right. They changed their name. Everything is okay now.
LOL
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:37 PM
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4. To hell with democracy. Bring back the anti-Islamist dictator.
Is our Middle East policy supposed to support dictators as long as they help us fight al-Queda. If so how does that differ from a republican foreign policy? Or are you saying that the UN wanted al-Queda to take over Libya for some reason?

Why don't we wait to see who gets elected in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya before we jump to the conclusion that conservatives are right - "the choice is between dictatorship and a fundamentalist Islamic state. Libyans (or Tunisians or Egyptians) are not capable of anything approaching a democratic government."
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:14 PM
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12. pretty much sums up US response to Bahrain,Jordan,Saudi, Kuwait,etc uprisings->'To hell w/ democracy
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 09:15 PM by stockholmer
US/UK/NATO Petrol Lap-dog Dictators who also didnt let China in to sign peaceful oil deals and all that.....................................

:thumbsdown:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:28 PM
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15. Are you talking about oil deals with Libya.
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 09:38 PM by tabatha
If you are, you know absolutely fucking nothing about Libya.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.

The TNC has said they will honor all oil deals signed by Gaddafi including China and Russia.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 10:01 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:51 AM
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28. Pointing out the presence of Islamists in the "rebel" coalition
is not agreeing with conservatives, it's observing the obvious.
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COgator95 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 08:42 PM
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5. Oooops
I bet Obama didn't see that one coming, huh? Another win for Democracy ... ahem I mean Sharia!

I wonder how bad the blow back will be on this bungled foreign policy disaster.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:04 PM
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10. gee what American politicians are so stupid they couldn't see this possibility lol nt
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:16 PM
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13. Who said they did not see this possibility??
Its always seems to be a "lessor of two evils" choice in that part of the world. Depsite what this article says I suspect the end result will still be better for the people of Libya.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:30 PM
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16. Have you asked any Libyans?
Edited on Sun Oct-23-11 09:33 PM by tabatha
There are no Al Qaeda in Libya. Do you really think that Obama and Clinton would be so stupid. And John McCain.
They are spending billions fighting Al Qaeda elsewhere - so they are going to support the installation of Al Qaeda in Libya?

There is just too much Fox News thinking on DU.
Fox takes a break from ignoring Gadhafi death to warn audience that Al Qaeda may now take over Libya
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/20/1028347/-Fox-t...

In March 2011, members of the LIFG in Ajdabiya declared to the press that the group supports the revolt against Gaddafi's rule, and had placed themselves under the leadership of the National Transitional Council. They also stated that the group had changed its name to Libyan Islamic Movement (al-Harakat al-Islamiya al-Libiya), had around 500600 militants released from jail in recent years, and denied any past or present affiliation with Al-Qaeda.<23>

An emir of the LIFG, Abdelhakim Belhadj,<24> became the commander of the Tripoli Military Council after the rebels took over Tripoli during the 2011 Battle of Tripoli.

NOTE - This group represents < 3% of all Libyans. But it is so easy to use that goddamned paintbrush again, and paint everyone the same.

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O.M.G. Sharia law !!!

The legal systems in 21st century Muslim majority states can be classified as follows:

Sharia in the secular Muslim states: Muslim countries such as Mali, Kazakhstan and Turkey have declared themselves to be secular. Here, religious interference in state affairs, law and politics is prohibited.<37> In these Muslim countries, as well as the secular West, the role of sharia is limited to personal and family matters.

The Nigerian legal system is based on English Common Law and the constitution guarantees freedom of religion and separation of church and State. However eleven northern states have adopted sharia law for those who practice the Muslim religion.<38>

Muslim states with blended sources of law: Muslim countries including Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco and Malaysia have legal systems strongly influenced by sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law. These countries conduct democratic elections, although some are also under the influence of authoritarian leaders. In these countries, politicians and jurists make law, rather than religious scholars. Most of these countries have modernized their laws and now have legal systems with significant differences when compared to classical sharia.<39>

Muslim states using classical sharia: Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states do not have constitutions or legislatures. Their rulers have limited authority to change laws, since they are based on sharia as it is interpreted by their religious scholars. Iran shares some of these characteristics, but also has a parliament that legislates in a manner consistent with sharia.<40>

Have you read the TNC charter ?? If the answer is no, you will not be able to tell which Sharia Law implementation will be followed.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:32 PM
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17. WE ARE NOT AL QAEDA - LIBYANS
We are not Al Qaeda - Benghazi, Libya (3/13/2011)
http://youtu.be/8jL7fzOSsm4

We're not Al Qaeda (#2) - Libya (4/1/2011)
http://youtu.be/FQ0lvkSJTvM

Libyan rebels: 'We're not al-Qaeda'
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-03-30-libyans30...

"We're not Al Qaeda" - Libya (3/27/2011)
http://wendyrwyatt.blogspot.com/2011/03/were-not-al-qae...

etc, etc
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19. +1
thanks for posting.
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25. And don't forget the original purpose of the Muslim Brotherhood as used by MI6
The Muslim Brotherhood was an obvious ally against Nasser, because he had abolished it from Egypt after it was involved in a failed assassination attempt on his life in 1954. The Brotherhood rejected Nasser's policy that, for the most part, kept religion out of politics. Officially the Brotherhood was an outlawed organization, but it remained influential and active within Egypt working against the secular regime, often hand-in-hand with British Intelligence. In June of 1955 MI6 was already approaching the Brotherhood in Syria to agitate against the new government that showed strong left-wing tendencies and a desire to merge with Egypt (2). The Brotherhood became an even more important asset after Nasser announced the Egyptian takeover of the Suez...

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005/11/use-of-muslim-bro...
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:43 PM
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29. Gee. Who coulda predicted THAT!
I'm shocked.


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