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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:28 PM
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Biden’s absurd claims about rising rape and murder rates
“Let’s look at the facts: in 2008, when Flint had 265 sworn officers on their police force, there were 35 murders and 91 rapes in this city. In 2010, when Flint had only 144 police officers, the murder rate climbed to 65 and rapes–just to pick two categories–climbed to 229. In 2011, you now only have 125 shields.”

--Vice President Biden, October 18, 2011

“In Flint, Michigan, they cut their force in half; murder rates have doubled in the last year…Police departments, as I said, in some cases literally cut in half, like Camden, New Jersey, and Flint, Michigan. In many cities, the result has been -- and it's not unique -- murder rates are up, robberies are up, rapes are up…I said rape was up, three times in Flint. There are the numbers. Go look at the numbers.”

--Biden, October 19, 2011, on Capitol Hill

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The Flint website for 2008 shows the same figures that Biden cited: 35 murders and 91 rapes.

Here’s what the FBI shows:
2008

City of Flint: 32 murders, 103 rapes

Surrounding area: 37 murders, 239 rapes

RATE PER 100,000 INHABITANTS: murder, 8.6; rape 55.5
2009

City of Flint: 36 murders, 91 rapes

Surrounding area: 44 murders, 235 rapes

RATE PER 100,000 INHABITANTS: murder, 10.3; rape, 55.1
2010

City of Flint: 53 murders, 92 rapes

Surrounding area: 58 murders, 225 rapes

RATE PER 100,000 INHABITANTS: murder, 13.8; rape 53.7

More important than the raw figures is the rate per 100,000 individuals. Murder did go up—though the rate did not double from 2009 to 2010, as Biden claimed. But rape has gone down. Biden actually asserted it had tripled.

full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bidens-absurd-claims-about-rising-rape-and-murder-rates/2011/10/20/gIQAkq0y1L_blog.html
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:34 PM
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1. The murder rate did go up. Biden was wrong about the rape rates. So? n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-21-11 08:35 PM by pnwmom
He's been speaking on behalf of saving jobs for teachers and first responders -- and we need them.
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:35 PM
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2. These are not Biden's statistics...
If you would bother to read the entire article, it's clear that these numbers were reported to him by the city of Flint. It's not his fault they are so messed up.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:53 PM
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3. um...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 08:56 PM
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4. Right wing owned and editorialized WaPo is wrong again. What Biden said is true.
Edited on Fri Oct-21-11 08:57 PM by ClarkUSA
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