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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:28 AM
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It Looks Like the Stimulus Worked After All
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/08/it-looks-stimulus-worked-after-all



—By Kevin Drum
| Fri Aug. 12, 2011 10:21 AM PDT

Conservative economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin has a chart he's fond of that demonstrates just how ineffective the 2009 stimulus was. Basically, it shows that the stimulus cost $260 billion and produced only an extra $268 billion in GDP. Personally, I'd take even that, but his point is that the stimulus produced no Keynesian multiplier effect at all. It was just a 1:1 replacement of revenue from one source to another.

But as you may recall, the BEA recently revised its GDP estimates from late 2008 and 2009, and it turns out the economy was doing much worse than we thought. And if you don't recall this, Michael Linden wants to remind you about it today. He also wants to remind Douglas Holtz-Eakin about it. Because it turns out that when you redo Holtz-Eakin's favorite chart using the corrected data, it suggests that the stimulus bill produced about $544 billion in extra GDP. In other words, a multiplier effect of about 2x.

I suppose there are two ways to respond to this. Holtz-Eakin could admit that he was wrong. Or he could invent a reason that his old chart is no good and then scurry back to his computer to produce a brand new chart using a different methodology that, once again, shows that the stimulus didn't work. We'll see which way he chooses.
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socialindependocrat Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 05:42 AM
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1. If $2T doen't matter to the S&P - why should this?
Now, where's that neat "sarcasm" blinkie!!!!
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akvo Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 06:27 AM
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2. Its all guesswork
Trying to compute the effect of stimulus is guesswork. The approach Holtz-Eakin used was simplistic and a complete shot in the dark. He compared the actual GDP with an estimate that assumed the GDP linearly continued its decline (see the charts here - http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/holtz_eakin.html). There is no reason to assume the GDP change would continue linearly.

This type of "analysis" is simplistic and has no basis in reality. The economy is dynamic. And to really analyze the impact the cost of the spending has to be taken into account. If the spending is from taxes then the lost opportunity cost and the cost of removing the taxes from the economy has to accounted for. If its borrowed money (or printed) then inflation, interest, and debt payments have to be considered.

Applying this approach to the revised data (as in the reference http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/holtz_eakin.html) shows a multiplier of 4. That is absurd, a total multiplier of 4 is extremely high. Even the CBO reports of the stimulus do not show multipliers that high. The largest multiplier is due to money spent on education because a little education pays a lifetime dividend. The spending has to be to actually educate people (as in student loans/grants), not on supporting the education system/bureaucracy. Little of the stimulus went to educating people.

Research in peer reviewed journals before this subject became so politicized shows the multiplier ranges from 0.1 to 2, and several studies indicate that the total multiplier is above 1 only during wartime, which is believable because in wartime a large part of the extra spending truly goes to infrastructure - roads, airports, ports, trains, planes, ships to transport the war material; factories to build the vehicles, guns, aircraft, etc to fight the war. Much of this infrastructure has dual military/civilian uses and serves civilian purposes when the war ends. Employment increases during war as well.

And if people are going to follow Keynes, then follow it all the way. The Keynes approach is to deficit spend (that's deficit spend, not increase taxes) during bad times in order to boost the economy, and pay off the accumulated debt during good times. It is not to deficit spend like a fool all the time.



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Necronomiconomics Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:26 AM
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3. I no longer believe Obama wanted the stimulus to work.
I don't think he is a Democrat.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:34 AM
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4. Thanks for the post debunking a RW talking point
Its useful. whether it seems appreciated or not!
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