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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 05:09 AM
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Creative Destruction Part II: Libya in Washington's Greater Middle East Project
By F. William Engdahl, March 26, 2011

For those who do not believe in coincidence, it's notable that on March 19, 2011 the Obama
Administration ordered the military bombing attack on Libya, ostensibly to create a 'no fly zone' to
protect innocent civilians and on March 19, 2003.

...

Eight years earlier to the day, the Bush Administration began its Operation Shock and Awe, the
military destruction and occupation of Iraq, allegedly to prevent a threat of weapons of mass
destruction which never existed as was later confirmed. The Iraqi invasion followed more than a
decade of illegal No Fly Zone operations over Iraqi airspace by the same trioUSA, Britain and
France.

...

Gaddafi's real 'crime'

Unlike Tunisia or Egypt where a halfway credible argument could be made that the population was
suffering from exploding food prices and a vast wealth gap, Gaddafi's Libya, officially called Libyan
Arab Jamahiriya, is very different.

There, according to Africans I have spoken to with direct knowledge, Libyans enjoyed the highest
living standard on the Continent. Gaddafi did not stay on top for 42 years without ensuring that his
population had little room to complain. Most health services, education and fuel was statesubsidized.
Gaddafi's Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate and highest life expectancy of all
Africa. When he siezed power from ailing King Idris four decades ago literacy was below 10% of
the population. Today it is above 90%, hardly the footprint of your typical tyrant. Less than 5% of
the population is undernourished, a figure lower than in the United States. In response to the rising
food prices of recent months, Gaddafi took care to abolish all taxes on food. And a lower
percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands. Gaddafi calls his model a
form of Islamic socialism. It is secular and not theocratic, despite its overwhelmingly Sunni base in
the population. 1

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/print/Creative%20...
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 05:59 AM
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1. excellent article k+r

"When he siezed power from ailing King Idris four decades ago literacy was below 10% of
the population. Today it is above 90%, hardly the footprint of your typical tyrant. Less than 5% of
the population is undernourished, a figure lower than in the United States. In response to the rising
food prices of recent months, Gaddafi took care to abolish all taxes on food. And a lower
percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands. Gaddafi calls his model a
form of Islamic socialism.
It is secular and not theocratic, despite its overwhelmingly Sunni base in
the population... 1

"Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? Clearly because he is simply "not with the
program." Gaddafi has shown repeatedly and not without grounds that he deeply distrusts
Washington. He has constantly tried to forge an independent voice for an Africa that is increasingly
being usurped by the Pentagon's AFRICOM.
In 1999 he initiated creation of the African Union,
based in Addis Abbaba, to strengthen the international voice of Africa's former colonial states. At a
pan-African summit in 2009 he appealed for creation of a United States of Africa to combine the
economic strengths of what is perhaps the world's richest continent in terms of unexploited mineral
and agricultural potentials.


History will show this is the real reason for the "humanitarian bombing" of Libya Cyrenaica
Will it matter? Did it matter in Kosovo? No.

Combine the central information from this article with the 10yr old article on NATO's Globalization & Military Might and the truth begins to show:

Backing up Globalization with Military Might

New World Order Onslaught


"But, today, as never before, we need to tear away the mask of lies and disclose the real goals of this "new world order" imperialism and see clearly how it hurts workers and the poor within our own borders and globally. We need to see the ways in which military dominance increasingly works in close tandem with economic globalization, privatization and the drive for corporate super profits. This basic understanding is essential for paving the road to a powerful united worldwide resistence movement..."

McDonald's Needs McDonnell Douglas to Flourish

"An article by Thomas Friedman in the New York Times entitled "What the World Needs Now" tells it all. Illustrated by an American Flag on a fist it said, among other things: "For globalism to work, America can't be afraid to act like the almighty superpower that it is....The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist-McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps." (23)

"The defense secretary is making the case that conflicts in faraway lands such as Bosnia, Korea and Iraq have a direct effect on the U.S. economy. The billions it costs to keep 100,000 American troops in South Korea and Japan, for example, makes Asia more stableand thus better markets for U.S. goods. The military's success in holding Iraq in check ensures a continued flow of oil from the Persian Gulf," concluded the Associated Press dispatch reporting on Cohen's Seattle appearance.(25)

"In today's world, TNCs, and governments running interference for them, are pushing relentlessly for an end to national sovereignty and democratic rights in order to achieve total unimpeded access to acquire investments, cheap labor and consumers in every nook and cranny of the globe. This is being accomplished particularly through mechanisms such as multilateral agreements on investment, NAFTA-type free trade agreements, and the dictates of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank and World Trade Organization (WTO)..."
http://www.globalissues.org/article/448/backing-up-glob...

It's a long article. But it's time well spent, if one is searching for the truth.



The crooks, liars and psychopaths who have stolen our foreign policy think we're too stupid and forgetful to figure them out.

They are wrong.



"Outside Independence Hall when
the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,
Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
"Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,

"A republic, if you can keep it."

Reading a Founder a day keeps the scumbags away
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:13 AM
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2. Engdahl has quite a chequered record (like Gaddafi)
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 06:17 AM by Denzil_DC
Per Wikipedia, he's worked with Lyndon Larouche in the past and believes all the current goings-on in the Middle east are aimed to set up the New World Order. A couple of background snippets from the article:

Engdahl stated in 2007 that he had come to believe that petroleum is not biological in origin, produced from remains of prehistoric zooplankton and algae, which had settled to a sea or lake bottom in large quantities under anoxic conditions, which is a theory supported by the majority of petroleum geologists and engineers.<3> Instead he now believes the hypothesis that petroleum is geological in origin, produced deep underground from carbon, by conditions and forces of heat and pressure deeper down than the Earth's bioshpere. Engdahl calls himself an "ex peak oil believer", stating that peak oil is actually a political phenomenon.
<snip>
Engdahl argued that the Earth is cooling, not warming.<5> He claims that global warming, like peak oil, is merely a "scare" and an attempt "by powerful vested interests to convince the world to sacrifice that they remain in control of the events of this planet".


Part I of "Creative Destruction" covered Egypt in much the same global conspiratorial terms as this article covers Libya. Needless to say, his perspectives are not uncontroversial.

So in view of all this, unrec.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:31 AM
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3. I never had someone tell me why he unreced, that's a good thing
Well, April 6 and the Otpor fist were pretty easy to see in Egypt. And I don't really know what peak oil theories and global warming have to do with this article.

The history of Larouche and Engdahl would interest me, if you have more than one sentence without sources from Wikipedia, come back.


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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:49 AM
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4. I gave some background
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 06:51 AM by Denzil_DC
that leads me to consider Engdahl to be something of an extremist conspiracy theorist, which is why I consider his views on peak oil, oil formation, and global warming relevant, along with his larouche ties. Engdahl is well associated with Larouche, and a few minutes on Google will show the extent and scope of that. Here's a sample of his other recent writing, from Larouche's review:

Would you consider it treason if a US Secretary of State slept with an islamofascist terrorist?

According to these sources Madeline Albrights did so when she was Bill Clintons Secretary of State.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3497.sh...

http://media.www.theminaretonline.com/media/storage/pap...

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eur...

Yes, and treason is what I expect from detestable scum like Albright.


As far as Gaddafi's concrned, it's long been known that a number of his social policies have been quite progressive. But to dub him "benevolent dictator" would be to whitewash his record, let alone his more recent activities.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:57 AM
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7. I found a forum post by (supposedly) Michael Hudson were he proposed his book to his publisher
Dear A-list,
I met Bill Engdahl around 1980 at LaRouche's EIR offices in New York, when I was trying to find out what they were all about. (Truth-in-advertising: I later went around the United States testifying before grand juries to convict LaRouche and his leading financial fraudsters. He paid Mordedai Levy money to hurt me and Ramsey Clark, which was one reason he was sent up -- to the prison where my father was sent as one of the Minneapolis 17 in 1941. LaRouche had a hero-worship of my father and an obsession with my own background and writings, which is why I looked into just who he was.)
At that time Engdahl was a "regular" member, and remained so for nearly two decades.
A few years ago he called me and told me he had left. (Manyof LaRouche's followers have come to me when they left.) He expressed his growing disgust with LaRouche for the latter's refusal to countenance any ideas not his own or that did not serve his clients. Bill seems seriously to have broken, as have many others who have gone on to successful Wall St. careers, such as David Goldman, Nic "Criton" Zoakis and other loonies whom I suspect have really not changed their colors.
But Bill Engdahl does indeed seem to have dropped his connections. I recommended his book to Pluto (my own publisher), and I think his interpretation deserves to be considered. I don't see the ideology-for-sale dirty tricks or misrepresentation that LaRouche typically plays.
I do believe in handling all Larouchies and former members at arms length, however. Twenty years is a long time to have spent in the company of psychos.
(I'm sending a copy of this to Mr. Engdahl as we've developed a civil correspondence.)

Michael Hudson

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051201140851/http://...


It's always good to know your history
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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:04 AM
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9. Contrary to that article, Engdahl's still connected enough to Larouche
that he writes for Larouche's review, certainly as of April 2nd, 2011.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:10 AM
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10. I used the google search "engdahl site:www.larouchepub.com"
and I couldn't find something new.

I know he writes for his German publisher Kopp, for the website voltairenet and is sometimes picked up by globalresearch and others.


larouchereview seems to be a blog by someone unconnected
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:58 AM
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8. your Geopolitics link--
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 07:13 AM by Gravel Democrat

"The declaration of Kosovo independence has been rapidly greeted with official diplomatic recognition by Washington and select EU countries including Germany. That independence and its recognition, unfortunately, openly violate UN resolutions for Kosovo and make a farce of the entire UN rule of international law. The new regime is headed by man identified by Interpol as well as German BND intelligence reports as a criminal, a boss of Kosovo organized crime responsible for drug running, extortion and prostitution. The important question is why Washington has pressured Europe into accepting the travesty now called the Republic of Kosovo?

Kosovo is a tiny parcel of land in one of the most strategic locations in all Europe from a standpoint of US military objectives of controlling oil flows and political developments from the oil-rich Middle East to Russia and Western Europe. The current US-led recognition of the self-declared Republic of Kosovo is a continuation of US policy for the Balkans since the illegal 1999 US-led NATO bombing of Serbia, a NATO out-of-area deployment never approved by the UN Security Council, allegedly on the premise that Milosevics army was on the verge of carrying out a genocidal massacre of Kosovo Albanians.

Some months before the US-led bombing of Serbian targets, one of the heaviest bombings since World War II, a senior US intelligence official in private conversation told Croatian officers in Zagreb about Washingtons strategy for former Yugoslavia. According to these reports, communicated privately to this author, the Pentagon goal was to take control of Kosovo in order to secure a military base to control the entire southeast European region down to the Middle East oil lands.

Since June 1999 when the NATO Kosovo Force (KFOR) occupied Kosovo, then an integral part of then-Yugoslavia, Kosovo has been under a United Nations mandate, UN Security Council Resolution 1244. Russia and China also agreed to that mandate, which specifies the role of KFOR to ensure cessation of inter-ethnic fighting and atrocities between the Serb minority population, others and the Kosovo Albanian Islamic majority. Under 1244 Kosovo would remain part of Serbia pending a peaceful resolution of its status. That UN Resolution has been ignored by the US, German and EU parties. "
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eur...



This article contains more truth about our last "humanitarian bombing" in just the first 4 paragraphs than the entire "US MEDIA" has told since the NYT ran an article about how Albanian immigration was going to cause strife in Kosovo, that is, before they flipped a 180 on their coverage.

I wish I had more time to click the rest of your links and do some searching on my own, this Engdahl seems worthy of some research.

edit:

Look at this sentence:

According to these reports, communicated privately to this author, the Pentagon goal was to take control of Kosovo in order to secure a military base to control the entire southeast European region down to the Middle East oil lands.


Well what do you know.

We ended up with a military base in Kosovo.

Didn't we.

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

google earth coordinates (you can see it from space) 4222′N 2115′E


Camp Bondsteel is the main base of the United States Army under KFOR command in Kosovo. Located near Uroevac in the eastern part of Kosovo, the base serves as the NATO headquarters for KFOR's Multinational Brigade East (MNBG-E). The base is named after Vietnam War Medal of Honor recipient United States Army Staff Sergeant James L. Bondsteel.


Now Engdahl looks like a prophet!
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:50 AM
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5. I'll see your LaRouche and raise you a globalresearch.ca
Wiki:

Engdahl is also a frequent contributor to the left-wing globalresearch.ca, the main website of the Centre for Research on Globalization.

What a silly thing, to discredit before any investigation, someone based on an "affiliation" whatever that is.

UnReCoN




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Denzil_DC Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:54 AM
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6. You're free to dismiss his links to Larouche as you wish
and they're easy to research. I'm free to take such things into account in gauging his views, and without trying to belittle you by typifying it as a "silly thing."

/done
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:45 AM
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11. locking
the author of this article is someone who is known to admins here as an unreliable. he is a writer of conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them.
we do not host that.
thanks
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