Time to Party Like It’s 1854

[DeeDeeNY]

Time to Party Like It's 1854
Gail Collins

The Conservative Political Action Conference begins Thursday in Washington. Glenn Beck is scheduled to give the keynote speech. Stephen Baldwin is slated to preside over a special nighttime youth event. As always, the right wing is great at producing hot talk shows and terrible at attracting hot actors.

The workshops and panels range from “Is It Time for a Catholic Tea Party?” to “Getting Started in Hollywood.” But the one that caught my eye was “When All Else Fails: Nullification and State Resistance to Federal Tyranny.”

How many of you out there thought we had settled the question of whether states have the right to nullify federal laws during the Lincoln administration? Can I see a show of hands?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/opinion/18collins.html

[damyank913]

1. You obviously do not live in the south...

At least in VA. I'm surrounded by ppl that don't accept the ultimate results of the Civil War. I honestly think that some of these characters want another crack at the title. Interestingly, these also tend to be Beck zombies. Scary.

[RedRoses323]

8. Same here in Arkansas....

:wtf: :crazy:

[Hestia]

23. Tell me RedRose - Pine Bluff here - got stuck with a guy at the garage talking this crap...sigh...

[yurbud]

18. and yet they consider themselves hyper-patriots

[hobbit709]

2. One of the splinter parties back then was the "No Nothing Party"

When they fell apart most of them joined the Republican Party. 160 years later, there seems to be a resurgence of "No Nothing" within the Republicans.

[damyank913]

4. More like know nothing!

[hobbit709]

5. Yep, didn't catch it until too late to edit.

[More_liberal_than_mo]

12. Funny thing,

I recently looked at an old news type blog about early 1930 when then President Hoover (R) was threatening a veto over Veterans Benefits, was totally against unemployment compensation, and finally did not believe in aid for those who lost everything in natural disasters or droughts, "it would be against traditional American method of handling charity".
What an asshole and he sounds just like most repubs today. Nothing seems to have changed. The "Know Nothing Party" did reinvent itself as the Party of "NO" we see today.

[bulloney]

14. Whenever I argue with a Repub over economic policies, I bring up the Great Depression.

These people don't seem to realize that the GD began during the Hoover administration. Hoover was a Republican, who was preceded by Coolidge, another Republican, who was preceded by another Republican, Warren Harding. And the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress during all three of those administrations.

Typically, they will switch the discussion to the fabulous policies of Reagan. Fine. Let's look at what you THINK he did, compared to what he ACTUALLY did:

Reagan was NOT a fiscal conservative. Never submitted a balanced budget. Almost tripled the national debt. Record budget deficits.

Reagan did NOT reduce the size of the federal government. Nearly 60,000 federal jobs were added during his administration.

Reagan did NOT put American back to work. On a per annual basis, the number of jobs created under Reagan were similar to Carter.

Reagan did NOT end the Cold War. The wheels were coming off the Soviet Union long before he took office. I heard a college professor talk about a trip he made to the Soviet Union before Reagan took office. He showed pictures of a nation whose infrastructure was in shambles back then. The Soviet Union was going to collapse. It just happened to show visible signs to the West during Reagan's presidency; the Cold War did not end when Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down that stinkin wall. Truth be known, it had more to do with people like Gorbachev, Walesa and Pope John Paul, than Reagan.\

Reagan did not personify conservative family values. He's our only divorced president. Nancy was pregnant with their first child, Patti, before they married.

About this time, your typical Repub can only get into a name-calling conniption with no substance.

[bvar22]

20. Try this one:

Reagan was a "Cut & Run" President.

When the Beirut Marine Barracks was truck bombed in 1983 killing 241 American servicemen,
Reagan pulled everyone OUT of Lebanon ASAP.

The Marines were moved offshore where they could not be targeted. On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the Marines to begin withdrawal from Lebanon. This was completed on February 26, four months after the barracks bombing; the rest of the Multinational Force was withdrawn by April.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

[NC_Nurse]

3. apparently, many think the old "South will rise again" slogan is really going to

happen this time. LOL. Fine with me, I can always move. :-)

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just give these people the right to secede. See how far they got...might be humorous. A whole swathe of the country
ending up like Colorado Springs. No police, no street lights, no garbage pickup. See how long it would take for these idiots to pine for the days of "big govt".

You don't know what you've got till it's gone, right?

[bulloney]

6. Given the fact that most of those states have the highest rates of antisocial behavior,

like divorce, spousal abuse, teen pregnancy, out-of-wedlock birth, plus the fact that their education systems are among the poorest-performing in the nation, I would expect those states to decline to a third-world nation status within a decade after seceding.

Many of those states receive more federal tax dollars than they send to Washington. Imagine what their infrastructure would be like after a few years when the federal spigot is turned off.

[damyank913]

7. Yes but they would have highly functioning theocracies...

How can that be bad?

[bulloney]

10. Next time a hurricane slams into the Gulf Coast, they can just pray their way to recovery.

They don't need no stinkin' govmint money from Washington, right?

[Demeter]

17. Divorce is a LOT Less Antisocial than Murder

and believe me, I contemplated BOTH. Murder would have been a lot cheaper, and justifiable, and over with by now.

[WhiteTara]

19. Yep, 7 years, you're out

and they're still dead. But, the blood never washes away, Lady MacBeth. Good luck with the divorce.
:hug:

[Rebubula]

22. Citation please...

...I do not accept your 'Fact' about the Southern states....

[wizstars]

11. I'd pay Texas to leave.....

...if they'd take GWB, Phil Gramm and Rick Perry along, and promise not to ever let them out.

[hobbit709]

13. Like there's no asshole politician in your state

[Hestia]

24. I just want enough warning to summer up north. It won't last long when they find out they aren't

getting any federal dollars to run their budget, along with no manufacturing base, just banks, and banks always side with the winners.

[tom_paine]

25. Problem is, when their "Bushie Paradise" got all screwed up they'd invade us

and take our stuff.

They would tell the world they were "liberating us" and then roll right in.

They didn't have to, now our entire country is a "Bushie Paradise".

Remember this about all those NeoRebfederates. If they regain power, these people will be the Camp Guards, Neighborhood Spies, and Block Wardens. (or whatever they will call them this time around)

All the secession talk is just that...talk. Their BushoCorporate Masters own the country, and they will happily aid them...once they are back in power.

[DeeDeeNY]

9. As laughable as this stupid conference will be,

it will get lots of coverage from our wonderful mainstream media.

[damyank913]

15. I'm looking forward to the rousing rendition of "I wish I were in Dixie"

Brings tears to my eyes every time. Especially during karaoke. Oh yeah-it also makes my ears bleed-but not much....

[unc70]

16. Must be overdue at DU for another "Bash the South"

These discussions are not specific to the South, not being led by Southerners disproportionately, nor even its supporters being concentrated in the South.

[southernyankeebelle]

21. Well if the south wants to make their own country, people

better start moving to where they want to.