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Atlanticist Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:05 PM
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So Democrate really are smarter - The Economist
Top 10 states (average IQ) and their 2000 Presidential vote :

Connecticut IQ 113 Voted Dem
Massachusetts IQ 111 Voted Dem
NJ IQ 111 Voted Dem
NY IQ 109 Voted Dem
RI IQ 107 Voted Dem
Hawaii IQ 106 Voted Dem
MD IQ 105 Voted Dem
New Hampshire IQ 105 Voted Rep
Illinois IQ 104 Voted Dem
Delaware IQ 103 Voted Dem

Bottom 10 states (average IQ) and their 2000 Presidential vote :

Mississippi IQ 85
Utah IQ 87
Idaho IQ 87
Wyoming IQ 89
S Carolina IQ 89
S Dakota IQ 90
Oklahoma IQ 90
MT IQ 90
LA IQ 90
AL IQ 90

All voted Rep.

Goes to show right wingers have no brains - it's a shame some of the media play on this to get their simpleton messages across.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:08 PM
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1. Link, please?
I'd love to use this info on some Repukes I know.
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Atlanticist Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:22 PM
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8. OK - here you are
http://www.economist.com/World/na/displayStory.cfm?stor...

Sorry, not sufficiently technical to embed the link directly into this response. The Source is :

"IQ and the Wealth of Nations" by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen (2002).


I'm not claiming it's scientific, or that there's a direct causal link. It's a bit like people saying poverty makes you iller. There's a statistical relationship - for sure, but not necessarily a causal relationship. This is obviously the same, though I personally think there is a causal relationship between being a bit thick and voting for *. Intelligent, well-informed people just cannot possibly vote for these lying, manipulating, selfish, irresponsible, trite, bigoted menaces that make up the Bush Administration.

I'm glad there's evidence to support my hypothesis !!!
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:08 PM
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2. Do you have a link? - n/t
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:09 PM
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3. I don't think you correctly identify the causality.
Because the states that vote democratic in Presidential elections also largely are run by democrats, I would argue more that democratic policies (social safety net, etc) foster a more intellectual atmosphere.

I do not know if this "IQ" test is actually a test of brain potential or just acquired knowledge, but at the very least, health care policies of democratic governments in these states (not to mention educational policies if this is an acquired knowledge type IQ test) would create this discrepancy.

Stupid vs misinformed...
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Atlanticist Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:23 PM
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9. See my response below
I'm aware of the lack of evidence of a causal link, but surely no inteligent person voted for Bush in 2000 ?!?!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:25 PM
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11. Esp pre-natal programs
and early childhood. Exposure to environmental hazards early in life also affects intellectual development (think lead).
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 04:53 PM
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19. Yes, you're right, it is circular
More Democrats mean more people get more health care, better nutrition, better standard of living, better education, which translates to more people voting Democrat.

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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:12 PM
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4. WTH? Where did you get this? It's my understanding that IQ has never
been calculated over an entire populace - nation, state etc.

I'd be very suspect of this.
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Terry_M Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:15 PM
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5. My guess
is that this is coming out of school records...
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:17 PM
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6. My guess is that this is BS
Appealing, but BS.
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Terry_M Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:21 PM
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7. Or that
:)
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:24 PM
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10. Good retort
:yourock:
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Atlanticist Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:26 PM
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12. Which part do you think is BS ?
The fact that these states voted for these particular parties in 2000 or the fact that these states collective IQ's are as stated ?

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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:31 PM
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13. The IQ's
Edited on Sat May-15-04 01:32 PM by jjmalonejr
On edit: unless you have a source or a link

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Atlanticist Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:35 PM
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14. I just....
.... posted the link
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:39 PM
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16. I can't access the link without registering...
...but I trust you.

I stand corrected.

:spank:
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:05 PM
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17. To borrow a login/password
Edited on Sat May-15-04 02:07 PM by Tummler
...check out BugMeNot.com:

http://bugmenot.com/view.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.econo...

Worked like a charm for me!
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:21 PM
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18. Thanks Tummler!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:38 PM
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15. We Blue States are INTELLIGENT!!!
:bounce:
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Bob Moss Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:15 PM
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20. I always knew...
that Dems were smarter.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:19 PM
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21. Um....
"So Democrate really are smarter - The Economist"
Is we? Good thing we act smarterly....
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Nordic65 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:27 PM
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22. So what's new
Comparing inbreed to civilized regarding intelligence is not rocket science...
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:59 PM
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23. I find this hard to believe
50% of the general population has an IQ between 90 and 110, with 100 being the mean. 25% have IQ's over 110 and 25% have IQ's below 90. Below 70 is considered mentally retarded and those people make up only 3% of the general population. 80 to 90 is considered "low average" and 70 to 80 is considered "borderline" retarded. As bad as things are in Mississippi, I really don't see how the average IQ of the voters is could be that low (85). For one thing, I doubt that there are many voters with IQ's lower than 80.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 09:56 AM
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24. Even Rove admits as much
Don't have the quote handy, but in a recent speech he said something like:

People are Democrats until they start having some success and moving up the ladder, and they become Republicans -- unless they get too much education and go back to being Democrats.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 02:55 PM
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25. here's the full list
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gcharter/iq.txt

Here's the average IQ by state according to the Ravens APM:

AVG IQ AVG Income '00 Electoral
(1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
(2) Massachusetts................111 $24,059 Gore
(3) New Jersey...................111 $26,457 Gore
(4) New York.....................109 $23,534 Gore
(5) Rhode Island.................107 $20,299 Gore
(6) Hawaii.......................106 $21,218 Gore
(7) Maryland.....................105 $22,974 Gore
(8) New Hampshire................105 $22,934 Bush
(9) Illinois.....................104 $21,608 Gore
(10) Delaware....................103 $21,451 Gore
(11) Minnesota...................102 $20,049 Gore
(12) Vermont.....................102 $18,834 Gore
(13) Washington..................102 $20,398 Gore
(14) California..................101 $21,278 Gore
(15) Pennsylvania................101 $20,253 Gore
(16) Maine.......................100 $18,226 Gore
(17) Virginia....................100 $20,629 Bush
(18) Wisconsin...................100 $18,727 Gore
(19) Colorado.....................99 $20,124 Bush
(20) Iowa.........................99 $18,287 Gore
(21) Michigan.....................99 $19,508 Gore
(22) Nevada.......................99 $20,266 Bush
(23) Ohio.........................99 $18,624 Bush
(24) Oregon.......................99 $18,202 Gore
(25) Alaska.......................98 $21,603 Bush
(26) Florida......................98 $19,397 Bush
(27) Missouri.....................98 $18,835 Bush
(28) Kansas.......................96 $19,376 Bush
(29) Nebraska.....................95 $19,084 Bush
(30) Arizona......................94 $17,119 Bush
(31) Indiana......................94 $18,043 Bush
(32) Tennessee....................94 $17,341 Bush
(33) North Carolina...............93 $17,667 Bush
(34) West Virginia................93 $15,065 Bush
(35) Arkansas.....................92 $15,439 Bush
(36) Georgia......................92 $18,130 Bush
(37) Kentucky.....................92 $16,534 Bush
(38) New Mexico...................92 $15,353 Gore
(39) North Dakota.................92 $16,854 Bush
(40) Texas........................92 $17,892 Bush
(41) Alabama......................90 $16,220 Bush
(42) Louisiana....................90 $15,712 Bush
(43) Montana......................90 $16,062 Bush
(44) Oklahoma.....................90 $16,198 Bush
(45) South Dakota.................90 $16,558 Bush
(46) South Carolina...............89 $15,989 Bush
(47) Wyoming......................89 $17,423 Bush
(48) Idaho........................87 $16,067 Bush
(49) Utah.........................87 $15,325 Bush
(50) Mississippi..................85 $14,088 Bush


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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:35 PM
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26. is this a test?
see how many people are dumb enough to buy this? :-)

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