HCR likely dead in Senate. With Lieberman and the rest of the Corporate Lobbyist Party strangling

[JohnWxy]

Health Care reform, it's not likely to survive. Fascists still dragging their feet even though their compadres in Democratic party, the im-Moderate Dems have killed off the public option AND the MEdicare buy-in AND they STILL HAVE SUBSIDIES FOR FOR-PROFIT HEALTH CARE INSURERS. JUST WHAT THE CORPORATE LOBBYIST PARTY LOVES!! SUBSIDIZED PROFITS ...AND THEY STILL WANT TO KILL IT.

WHY? BECAUSE IT'S OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL. THE FASCISTS ARE INTENT ON THIS BEING OBAMA'S 'WATERLOO'. Of course, it concerns them not at all it's also a blow to 'average' Americans who either can't afford health care now, or will not be able to afford it (or will simply lose their group coverage because their employers can't afford it) within the next 10 years. The Fascists don't care, just KILL Obama (politically speaking) and the Democrats. Situation normal, the Corporate Lobbyist party protecting corporate profits at the expense of America.

Al Kaida, who needs them when we've got the GOP.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

[TwilightGardener]

1. Now the Benator wants his turn in the spotlight by playing hard to get--

and the sick thing is, he's got ads up on TV here in Nebraska touting his efforts in getting HCR done!!

[DrDan]

2. lets not forget the D-roles in this fiasco

who gave up single-payer and the PO when the breeze shifted slightly . . .

[JohnWxy]

4. I think the Pres & the Dems didn't do a good job on explaining HCR from the very beginning ...

The Dems did a poor job of INFORMING the public about "uncompensated care" cost paid out under Medicare and Medicaid. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation we spent $34.6 billion in 2004 (The Cost of Care for the Uninsured). IF you straight line extrapolate that through 2010-2019, adding inflation, that figure comes to about $816 billion. That's what we would spend anyway without any changes to Health Care.

That's not considering the 8.4% that uncompensated care drives up premiums for those who have health insurance. The additional total cost (about $1,000-$1,200) per policy (individual and family coverage) extrapolated through 2010-2019 to all the insured comes to $4.7 Trillion.

Now, if we insure about 90% of the currently uninsured then you could figure on these costs for Uncompensated Care to go down proportionately. These numbers should have been mentioned for comparison to the costs for HCR. The reductions of costs to Medicare and Medicaid for the reductions of uncompensated care costs to hospitals should have been pointed out as part of the savings to be gained by reducing the number of people without health insurance coverage.


In every CBO cost estimate of the various bills, the savings in reduced "uncompensated care" payments by Medicare and Medicaid was lost in the term "reductions to Medicare (or Medicaid)". This sounds like reductions in services to those who are covered by these programs. There is not a penny of services reduction in the expected reductions in uncompensated care costs to be paid by Medicare and Medicaid.

The Dems and Pres Obama never specifically pointed this out. This should have been done from the very beginning.

NOT making sure people understood this helped the Disinformation campaign and the hysteria created by the fascist party. This was a perfect example of "the Big Lie" working to perfection. Josef Goebbels would have been proud of the Republicans.

[mike_c]

3. better dead than a harmful bill....

Why were those clowns ever elected? I hope their constituents understand how badly they've been betrayed.

[KnarfMit]

5. You need to focus wider than the GOP

to see what happened here. The Dems assumed control of the WH and both houses of congress. Pretty words and promises were immediately forgotten once the DC political machine fired up for the session. If the Democratic party can't cooperate enough to make real, solid legislation pass when they control all three pieces of the equation, they're not a party at all.

DINOs, RINOs, moderates, independents, liberals, conservatives, centrists. Blah. They're all career politicians, and the first job of any politician is to figure out how to get elected next time. Maybe it's easier to spot the DINOs and real Republicans - at least their owners' names are clearly engraved on their collars.

[JohnWxy]

6. I did mention the IM-moderate Dems as crypto Republicans ....

"even though their compadres in Democratic party, the im-Moderate Dems have killed off the public option AND the MEdicare buy-in"


.. along with The Lieberman, of course.

The Dems did not do a good job of informing voters of the costs that would have been avoided by enacting HCR and this helped the fascists with their disinformation campaign.


But the fact that NOT ONE Corporate lobbyist party member was willing to vote for HCR (subsidies to for-profit insurers with no cost controls is NOT HCR) is the most important feature of this internecine interlude. It should never become acceptable for the Corporate Lobbyist party to be irresponsible just because they ALWAYS ARE IRRESPONSIBLE (not just when they not in power but when they have power they are still just as irresponsible). I don't think we should start giving the GOP a free pass to be irresponsible just because they are pathologically partisan.

We shouldn't get into the habit of placing the expectation for responsible action solely on the Democrats shoulders. It's a little hard to join hands in mutual endeavor with someone who's holding a bomb in theirs.