The Judgment on Vaccines Is In???

[robertpaulsen]

The Judgment on Vaccines Is In???
by Jim Carrey

Recently, I was amazed to hear a commentary by CNN's Campbell Brown on the controversial vaccine issue. After a ruling by the 'special vaccine court' saying the Measles, Mumps, Rubella shot wasn't found to be responsible for the plaintiffs' autism, she and others in the media began making assertions that the judgment was in, and vaccines had been proven safe. No one would be more relieved than Jenny and I if that were true. But with all due respect to Ms. Brown, a ruling against causation in three cases out of more than 5000 hardly proves that other children won't be adversely affected by the MMR, let alone that all vaccines are safe. This is a huge leap of logic by anyone's standards. Not everyone gets cancer from smoking, but cigarettes do cause cancer. After 100 years and many rulings in favor of the tobacco companies, we finally figured that out.

The truth is that no one without a vested interest in the profitability of vaccines has studied all 36 of them in depth. There are more than 100 vaccines in development, and no tests for cumulative effect or vaccine interaction of all 36 vaccines in the current schedule have ever been done. If I'm mistaken, I challenge those who are making such grand pronouncements about vaccine safety to produce those studies.

If we are to believe that the ruling of the 'vaccine court' in these cases mean that all vaccines are safe, then we must also consider the rulings of that same court in the Hannah Polling and Bailey Banks cases, which ruled vaccines were the cause of autism and therefore assume that all vaccines are unsafe. Clearly both are irresponsible assumptions, and neither option is prudent.

In this growing crisis, we cannot afford to blindly trumpet the agenda of the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) or vaccine makers. Now more than ever, we must resist the urge to close this book before it's been written. The anecdotal evidence of millions of parents who've seen their totally normal kids regress into sickness and mental isolation after a trip to the pediatrician's office must be seriously considered. The legitimate concern they and many in the scientific community have that environmental toxins, including those found in vaccines, may be causing autism and other disorders (Aspergers, ADD, ADHD), cannot be dissuaded by a show of sympathy and a friendly invitation to look for the 'real' cause of autism anywhere but within the lucrative vaccine program.

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[Gator_Matt]

1. There is a danger in avoiding vaccination

I don't think that people appreciate just how beneficial vaccination has been for public health. People also downplay the role of increased vigilance and diagnosis of autism in regards to the "increasing rate" of it. There are researchers attempting to find a link between vaccination and autism, but to my knowledge no such mechanism has been discovered.

[wolfgangmo]

3. At our clinic

We have many parents asking us about vaccines. Our response is to educate them on the solid science behind them, the grey areas, and that if they want them they should get them. BUT we prescribe a schedule that is spread out and that takes into account their exposure and health. If a child is ill then they shouldn't get a vaccine until they are well. Is all of this necessary statistically? No, but statistics breaks down on the individual level and we treat individuals.

To anyone on either side of the argument who says that we KNOW what the science definitively says on this subject are simply ignoring how science works. There is no one answer for every person at any given time. More than the statistics must be accounted for.

I will say that there MAY be something to the increased incidence of autism. Anecdotally I have a niece who went from bright and responsive and curious to completely not in the days after taking the MMR while feeling less than 100%. This proves nothing, but it does make me wonder, and isn't wondering the start of all research?

[kimmerspixelated]

11. Your response was intelligent.

And non-abrasive. That's positive.

[bemildred]

13. Well said.

It's worth remembering that with vaccines, you are meddling with the human immune system, which is not a mechanical sort of thing. Vaccines are very powerful medicine, both for good and for not good, and the situation is changing all the time, infectious agents evolve too. It is silly not to get them when the situation is appropriate, but one needs to remember the metaphor of the sorcerer's apprentice.

[truedelphi]

14. However, the fact that a prudent person might vacinate their child for some diseases

does not mean that we as a society should be vaccinating day old babies for illnesses that children under two do not even get.

In our society, for whatever reason, we like to be simple in our thinking. Back in the early seventies, many of us allergic to cigarette smoke were treated like crap when protesting sitting all day inside smoky offices and breathing in second hand smoke.

Only thirty years later, and smokers are treated like they and they alone are the cause of Global Warming. Yet the sales for products like Glade, Febreeze, and Lysol disinfectants are off the map. Go on - don't change your kid's poopy diapers. Instead Spray some Febreeze in the air and the odors will disappear. (And your kid might too, into a long narrow box - killed by one of the many escalating childhood cancers.)

When will we find a happy medium?

When will people comprehend that the same companies now claiming that all vaccines are healthy and necesary all the time, these same companies for some reason placed mercury in their vaccines' formulations, until ACTIVISTS started speaking up and demanding that the mercury be eliminated.

When will parents get the word that their friendly "Healthy Baby Clinic" should not be injecting their kids with vaccines on a day when the kids are not feeling well, a practice that is forbidden at the ASPCA, but allowed by many physicians' offices, for the "convenience" of the parents.

[Ian David]

2. Jim Carrey is a murdering moron. n/t

[wolfgangmo]

4. Please explain.

Who did he kill and is he really clinically diagnosed as low functioning mentally?

Or are you just stating your opinion?

[Ian David]

5. Encouraging people not to vaccinate their children is murder.

And if he believes half the shit he says, then he has to be a moron.

[kimmerspixelated]

7. No, your statement would be the moronic one.

It is highly exaggerated. But you can have your own opinion.

[Ian David]

9. Your opinion has a body count. n/t

[kimmerspixelated]

8. Touche'!

[kimmerspixelated]

6. I thought Jim Carrey's letter was excellent!

[Ian David]

10. You would. Go live on an island with your infectious brood. There's no place for you in civilization

People who don't vaccinate their children murder the children of others.

Throw your own children off a cliff if you must.

But your spawn have no right to put our children at risk.

I have no use for you either online or within a civil society.

Since I can't ship you to an island somewhere, I'm just going to settle for putting you on ignore.

[kimmerspixelated]

12. My GOD!

You have a completely distorted view of life. I feel sorry for you, but for my continued protection I am putting you on ignore so go blow up someone else's island!

[dccrossman]

15. Judgement may not be in, but Carrey and McCarthy are feeding irrational fear and conspiracy

On the one hand, I can agree that the Western medical community feels that need to hit every fly with an elephant gun and then be amazed that there could be negative side effects.

However, on the other hand, many of the vaccines that our children take, have been studied and researched for decades. They are probably safer than any generic over-the-counter drugs you may take. Generic drug makers are notoriously sloppy in their quality control, but I digress. (I also need a good source link for that, and can't produce one...)

As long as the movement is relatively small, it's not really that big a deal. But if you live in a community where everyone chose to avoid taking vaccines, and several children die from Measles, don't come complaining. Also, don't come out of your cloister, because you put the rest of us, despite our vaccinations, at increased risk.

I hate taking any sort of drug. Heck, I even avoid Ibuprofin and Tylonel, and generally cut the dosing in half. But my 6 year old is fully vaccinated, and the 9 month old is on track with her shots. The 6 year old, despite a genetic condition that causes significant muscle weakness which keeps her from walking, except with a walker, has an excellent immune system and is otherwise very healthy. I would fear for a non-vaccinated child that played with her, because my daughter will carry someone else's sickness for a few days, before her body kicks it out, and sometimes spreads things from school, before we realize that she has something.

I think the real core of what's going on here, is the need to have someone/something to BLAME. Autism cannot just be a genetic mutation that just happens. There MUST have been a reason. Believe me, with my daughter, I've been there. It's hard to realize that there really just isn't a reason. It's just a f**king genetic mutation, and there was really nothing you could do about it. I know there are exceptions to this, but we're talking about the general argument, not about any specific case.

Part of the argument is that autism is more common now due to increased use of vaccines. It could also be more common due to increased age of parents when their children are born. The older you get, the higher the likelihood of genetic mutations. Sucks, but it's true. (Again, I don't have a link.) I'm sure that there are several other theories that I'm too lazy to go research.

If there's anyone else with a mind to do the research, I would love to see the links that you feel provide the best information. Not the top-level links, drill-down and find the useful information.

Also, if you have links either with or against sloppy generic drug makers or age equaling genetic mutations, I'd love to see them. Please message them as I may not see them in this thread.

Concerning my daughter's condition:
www.umdf.org
United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation
My daughter has Mitochondrial Encephalomyopathy Complex I & III

Peace!