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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:27 PM
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In Athens, middle-class rioters are buying rocks. This chaos isn't over
In Athens, middle-class rioters are buying rocks. This chaos isn't over

Helena Smith has reported from Greece for two decades, but had never seen anything like the riots that swept the country last week. Here she tries to make sense of an eruption of anger

Helena Smith

The Observer, Sunday 14 December 2008


How much tear gas can a nation take? How many stones can it collect? To ask such questions of an EU member state that is supposed to be as sophisticated as it is modern might seem far-fetched, even silly.

To ask them four years after that country basked in the glory of staging one of the most successful Olympic Games might be considered absurd. But yesterday, as Greece entered a second week of pitched battles between rock-throwing protesters and riot police - with security forces turning to Israel and Germany to replenish depleted reserves of toxic gases to contain the angry crowds - such questions did not seem foolish. Or, I'm sad to say, remotely absurd.

Athens is in a mess and it's not just the rubble or burned-out buildings or charred cars and firebombed rubbish bins and smashed pavements that now stand as testimony to unrest not seen since the collapse of military rule in 1974. Twenty-two years after I moved to Greece I have looked into eyes full of anger and despair. At night, as marauding mobs of Molotov-cocktail wielding youths have run through the city's ancient streets, I have closed the shutters of the windows to my home. My friends have done the same.

Those of us who live here - who have seen how frayed the fabric of public order can become - now know, in no uncertain terms, that the orgy of violence that has gripped this beautiful land masks a deeper malaise. It is a sickness that starts not so much at the top but at the bottom of Greek society, in the ranks of its troubled youth. For many these are a lost generation, raised in an education system that is undeniably shambolic and hit by whopping levels of unemployment (70 per cent among the 18-25s) in a country where joblessness this month jumped to 7.4 per cent. If they can find work remuneration rarely rises above €700 (this is, after all, the self-styled €700 generation), never mind the number of qualifications it took to get the job. Often polyglot PhD holders will be serving tourists at tables in resorts. One in five Greeks lives beneath the poverty line. Exposed to the ills of Greek society as never before, they have also become increasingly frustrated witnesses of allegations of corruption implicating senior conservative government officials and a series of scandals that have so far cost four ministers their jobs.

With these grievances in mind, young people (who would not normally see themselves as revolutionaries and are a far-cry from the 'extremists' Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis says are behind the disturbances) have begun stockpiling stones, rocks and crushed marble slabs from Salonika in the north to the resort islands of Corfu and Crete in the south.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/14/greece-riots-youth-poverty-comment
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:36 PM
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1. US cities are much the same
Shit education, few jobs, low wages, and no prospects.

Yes, it can happen here. I think it will happen here.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 12:19 AM
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4. And we'll follow
the 2d fall of Greece?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 06:45 PM
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21. I feel something in Michigan will ignite the situation, it won't take much things are tense here.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:43 PM
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2. Yes, when youths are unemployed and not distracted, we tend to get irate.
And I'm running out of distractions.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 12:23 AM
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5. Create something
useful.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 01:41 AM
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7. I write like there's no tomorrow
and am applying to get an MBA/Finance. I promise not to sell out my progressive values.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 02:51 AM
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9. At the moment, I'm not concerned about your
intentions > progressive values, just keeping busy enough to not harm any one or thing if you are irate!
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 03:05 AM
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12. well if people want to burn banks
I think your money may be hurt, awww poor money....
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 12:26 AM
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6. Not having a future that doesn't involve hunger and servitude
is certainly part of it.

At least in the 60s we thought we'd have a future if the government would stop sending so many of us off to be killed in Vietnam.

I don't hear any kids with dreams now. I just hear about finding a job, any job, and surviving.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 01:44 AM
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8. That's where I'm at.
As I posted above, I'm looking at an MBA/Finance. It wasn't my first option, but I have to survive it's going to be doing something that I'm pretty fascinated with. I wanted to be a university English professor, but after seeing the army of adjuncts march into Harvard, I realized that I wouldn't be able to make enough money to support myself or a family until I was 45 or so.

But if it makes you feel better, my dream since I was five was to be a writer. I have my blogs, write for a bi-weekly street paper and am working on my graphic novels (I can't draw, but I'm hoping no one will question that).
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 01:12 PM
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17. If you're an artist of any sort, you will pursue that art
Nothing will be able to stop you for long. You'll need to do it the way you need to breathe.

Even if you work 15 hours a day creating paper profit for the rich, you'll spend 5 minutes in the morning writing. You'll have to.

Unless you want to teach, forget the advanced degree in English.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:40 AM
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23. Why MBA?
That decree will not be worth anything in the coming years, it will make you just angrier and more frustrated. Why not something sensible and productive, like gardening, farming, etc.?

Also my dream wast to be a writer. I realized that dream, now I see there's more to life than writing. Returning to nature, regaining balance.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 12:08 AM
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3. And here I just received an email saying it was over.
And the foreign camera crews have gone home.Maybemy friend meant over for the night.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 02:55 AM
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11. probably over for the night
they are talking about the riots again on French news this Sunday morning.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 02:53 AM
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10. NO FUTURE ,,, NO FUTURE NO FUTURE
An entire generation is waking up to the fact that theya are being told to live less well than their parents even if they are more educated. Greece, this could be Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, the USA. I am lucky to find work è months of the year and I get 780 euros from my base salary, I work 2 extra jobs to bring the total up to 1300 a month for 7 months then get by on 800 a month unemployment for 5 months.....here in France... I have a masters. My wife does to, she is a state teacher and gets 1800 per month. Houses are comporable to the prices you find in California where I live, in other words half a million for a 3 bedroom.....can anyone else see a problem here?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 09:54 AM
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15. This is very bleak news.
We were thinking of moving to France if the shit gets too deep here. Maybe the difference between Europe and the US in this case is that Americans are less educated, generally, and therefore have lower expectations--which makes them more likely to be passive followers and less likely to take to the streets to demand better government. It's why Republicans have been trying to de-fund education in this country for the past sixty years, pretty much.

Crap. Costa Rica, maybe.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 06:16 AM
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13. The headline makes it sound like
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 07:37 AM
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14. They got a conservative government 4 years ago! End of mystery.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 10:43 AM
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16. One in five Greeks below the poverty line? I believe it is more than one in four
in the UK. What a difference in the response of the respective populations. In the UK, a dumb middle class and just despair among the poorer people.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 02:53 PM
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18. A wonderfully written article

In five short years the greed and corruption of wingnut conservatives took a beautiful peaceful sun-drenched land and turned it into a land of no future and hopelessness.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 03:56 PM
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19. I'll take two round ones, a flat one, and a packet of gravel NT
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 04:34 PM
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20. Typical Yuppie...BUYING rocks.
Poor people go out and get their OWN rocks. And you insist they have to come to you washed, sorted by size and weight, and packaged in a Prada bag before you'll throw them. So typical.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:35 AM
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22. Nichtes tou Alexi

This is not a riot, it's a social uprising. First of all, there is no wanton destruction of anything and everything, as the media paints the picture. The protesters attack banks, big international chains (McDonalds etc.), police stations and some other governement targets. NOT small local businesses.

Most of the demonstrations are entirely peacefull - until attacked by the pigs. These days and nights belong to Alexis, these days and nights are against police and their fascist allies, who started the violence and who continue their violence for years and decades.

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/
http://anarchiststrategy.blogspot.com/
http://directactiongr.blogspot.com/
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