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Election 2008: Who Decides? The People or the Programmers?
| Ernest Partridge |

In another week, more than one-hundred million American citizens will go to the polls to choose their next president.

Or so most of those citizens believe, along with all of the corporate media and, of course, the candidates.

But might it be possible that the decision next Tuesday lies, not with those 100-plus million voters, but instead with a few dozen programmers who write the secret software for the voting machines that will record some 30 percent of the votes, and also for the computers that compile (i.e., collect and report) 80 percent of the "official" election returns?

The very idea is too horrible to contemplate, and so it is not contemplated; not by the media, not by most of the public, and not by the Democratic party.

A presidential selection by anonymous programmers is not contemplated, much less discussed and publicized, in the face of compelling evidence that the 2004 Presidential election, along with numerous congressional elections during the past decade, were in fact stolen.

A stolen election? Impossible! Unthinkable! Yeah, sure! "The Titanic is unsinkable." "We have achieved peace in our time" (Neville Chamberlain, Munich, 1938). "We will be greeted as liberators in Iraq." "There is no doubt Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and is planning to use them against us" (Dick Cheney)

So let's cut past the speculation and (alleged) "paranoid fantasies," and focus instead on four simple, undisputed facts:

1. Next Tuesday, 30% of the votes will be cast on paperless "direct electronic recording" (DRE) voting machines, and 80% of those votes will be compiled on computers.

2. These voting machines and compiling computers are manufactured, and their software is written, by private corporations with close ties to the Republican party.

3. These voting machines and compiling computers use "proprietary" (i.e., secret) software.

4. Accordingly, there is no independent means of validating the accuracy of the voting machines or the compiling computers.

Am I mistaken? I have, during the past eight years, read hundreds of pages of reassurances that our elections are "fair and accurate." In those pages, I have found not one iota of evidence contradicting any of the above four assertions. I read of "paranoid fantasies," "sore losers," "they wouldn't dare" etc. aplenty, but never, no never!, any denial of any of the above facts.

So, assuming the above, it comes to this: if the election returns next Tuesday are fair and accurate, it will be because those anonymous programmers have chosen, for whatever reason, not to finagle the election, and not because they face exposure and prosecution – not, that is, because there is any compelling reason for them not to steal the election.

In short, they might allow the American people to choose their next president, not because they have to, but because they choose to.

And then again, they might not. And why should the anonymous programmers let "the people speak"? After all, they did not do so in Georgia in 2002, or in Ohio in 2004, or in numerous other elections.

Accordingly, if ES&S, Sequoia, and Premier Election Systems (formerly Diebold) so decide, these private corporations and those anonymous writers of that secret source code, and not those 100 million voters, will choose our next President.

These are the plain facts. Simple as that.

The obvious and familiar rebuttal begins with this question: "You say these elections were stolen. Where is your proof?" Direct, "smoking-gun" evidence of software codes deliberately designed to "flip" or delete votes? There is none. Remember, that software is "proprietary" (i.e., secret). But this is the wrong question. Instead, we should be asking, "where is the proof that the DRE voting totals are accurate?" Likewise, there is none, and for the very same reason: the software that records, compiles and reports the votes is secret.

However, the indirect evidence of computer generated fraud is substantial: statistical evidence, empirical evidence, anecdotal evidence, and sworn testimony by computing experts. (Because I have written extensively about this evidence, and vast collections of published articles proving election fraud can be readily accessed on the internet, here, here, here, and here, I will spare the reader yet another summation of this evidence. But see the end note below).

In any rational and fair election, the burden of proof should be borne by those who count the votes and announce the outcome. And that proof should consist in "hard copy" evidence of each and every vote, which is to say, paper ballots. This is not the case in the United States of America. Instead, in enough states to determine the outcome of the presidential election, there is nothing more to validate the accuracy of the totals than the word of the openly partisan manufacturers of the machines and writers of the secret software.

"Trust us!" Period. The rest is silence.

No self-respecting democracy on the face of the earth should tolerate such a travesty. So why is this tolerated in the U.S. of A? No answer is forthcoming from the corporate media or the two major political parties.

The above account describes how the GOP might steal the election next week, just as they did in numerous congressional elections in the past decade, including the 2004 presidential election.

But will they do so? To answer that question, we must leave the hard and provable facts behind, and engage in speculation. This next election is the same as the previous, in that the means of stealing the election remain intact. But the circumstances attending this election are significantly different; perhaps sufficiently different that the public and the Democrats might successfully break out of the electoral trap that has successfully ensnared them in the recent past.

Specifically:
  • First of all, the corporate media, which shamelessly ambushed Al Gore in 2000 ("inventing the internet"), and John Kerry in 2004 ("Swift Boat Vets"), this time is giving the Democratic candidates fairer treatment. Not "fair," but "fairer," as campaign coverage is once again cluttered with trivia and, in the name of "balance," outright GOP lies are equated with Democratic errors and simplifications.

  • Due to the fairer and more transparent media coverage, the essential issues are being reported, along with the incoherence and disorder of the McCain campaign and the appalling incompetence of his running-mate.

  • Newspaper endorsements, which were roughly evenly divided between Bush and Kerry in 2004, are now three to one in favor of Obama.

  • Many prominent republicans are endorsing the Obama/Biden team, while the GOP coalition of religious fundamentalists, economic conservatives, neo-con imperialists, is fracturing. While Sarah Palin is successfully solidifying the "family values" base, she is also alienating the center-right independents and establishment "paleo-conservatives," without which a national election can not be won.

  • The collapse of the financial markets and the ensuing economic chaos has taken place at the worst possible time for a GOP presidential campaign.

  • Consequently, national polls report a substantial and steadily increasing Democratic lead. In addition, the polls report that the Democratic candidates handily won all the debates, and that the strength of support for the Obama/Biden team is substantially stronger than that of the McCain and Palin. In the media, there is an increasing sense that an Obama victory is all but certain, absent an "October surprise" during the coming week.
All this poses a daunting problem for the programmers who write the secret software that counts and compiles most of the votes that will be cast next Tuesday: In the face of what would be a Democratic landslide in an honest election, do they dare steal it one more time?

Just imagine that next Monday, the final polls show Obama/Biden with twelve to fifteen point leads (i.e., beyond the "Diebold Zone") in the national polls, with double-digit leads in most of the battleground states, and with a solid projection of 350 electoral votes.

Then, early Wednesday morning, the TV networks announce that McCain/Palin have achieved a narrow victory, due to upset wins in states using DRE machines and secret compilation software, and where, in addition, hundreds of thousands of intended voters are denied access to the polls because of registration challenges by GOP attorneys and poll watchers.

Will the public stand for this? If not, what follows? Massive protest demonstrations followed by suppression by the Army battalion recently assigned to "domestic duty" (in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act)? Sullen public acquiescence? If the latter, what remains of President McCain's capacity to govern? He will, after all, have to deal with a heavily Democratic Congress. How well can he cope with the severe economic crises directly ahead?

Might we at last see an end to the persistent refusal of the media and the Democrats to acknowledge, investigate and deal with computer-generated election fraud? Even if the Department of Justice remains in Republican hands, this need not put a stop to criminal investigation, prosecution and conviction for stolen elections. In the United States, national elections are administered at the state level. Accordingly, any aggressive state Attorney General in any state can launch a criminal investigation and carry it through all the way to the slamming of the cell doors.

The anonymous programmers of the secret election codes are facing a dilemma: if Obama wins, it is likely that the Department of Justice will, at long last, investigate, indict and convict the culprits. But if the election is stolen again, despite a formidable Obama lead in the polls and overwhelming public and editorial support, the story of the "miracle" McCain victory will likely not be believed. The Congress will investigate. The media, beginning with the blogosphere and extending to the corporate media, will at long last take the issue of election fraud seriously. Then the state Attorneys General will get to work.

We can only guess at what might be going on in the troubled minds of the programmers. There appears to be some reluctance among the corporate big-wigs to drop the management of the financial crisis in the hands of John McCain, a self-confessed economic ignoramus, or Sarah Palin, who proves her incompetence at every interview. Consequently, it is quite possible that the programmers have been instructed to cool it this time and let the public have its way.

On the other hand, the stakes in this election are enormous. An Obama administration will, as promised, raise the taxes of the mega-wealthy, and perhaps attempt to return to the federal treasury some of the public funds looted by the oligarchs. Obama's Department of Justice might well prosecute some of the numerous crimes committed during the Bush/Cheney administration. Anti-trust laws, now "on the books" albeit ignored, may be reinstated, resulting in the break-up of mega-corporations. Election reform, with the ending of voter purges, cagings, stringent ID requirements, and, of course, unverifiable electronic voting machines, will lock in Democratic majorities far into the future.

This late in the campaign season, the codes have been written and the voting machines and compilers are in place. Whose decisions will they report: those of the voters or those of the programmers? We will likely find out on November 5.

In the meantime, watch the polls. If they show a closing race, be suspicious. Read the punditry with a critical mind. Perhaps the media might be softening us up for a "miracle upset."

In any case, this is no time for despair. Instead, this is a time for renewed determination and effort to produce an overwhelming majority for Obama and the Democrats. In addition to the simple act of voting, volunteers must show up at polling places with video cameras, and voters who are denied access, or who find that their touch-screen votes are "flipped," should be interviewed. The Election Defense Alliance will be conducting exit polls. Contact them to see if they need volunteers.

In the election of 2008, a sizeable majority of American voters, including a formidable number of opinion-makers, academics, scientists, diplomats, and even Republicans, want to see the end of Bushism and Republican rule. They are supporting in Barack Obama, a young, intelligent, learned and vigorous candidate.

God help us all if a small coterie of anonymous computer programmers once again deny the American people their choice of a President.

We have a short week to do our utmost to see that this doesn't happen.

-- EP

Note: As Michael Collins convincingly demonstrates in his article, "Election 2004: The Urban Legend," the 2004 presidential election was stolen in the big cities, where vote inflation is more easy to conceal. In the cities, where Bush and Cheney did not campaign and where the GOP issues were alien to the urban voters, the Bush/Cheney 2004 totals increased by 153% over those of 2000. Collins concludes: "This combination of events has never happened before in American history. It is unprecedented… and unbelievable."

In 2006, despite a groundswell of support for the Democrats the DRE wizards connived to keep the Senate in GOP hands. The raw exit polls at the time confirm this suspicion. The target states were Montana, Missouri and Virginia. Instead, the voters overwhelmed the "fixes," and substantial Democratic wins, following "adjustments" by the secret software, ended up as "squeakers." While the Democrats gained thirty seats in the House, DRE rigging may have cost them as many as twenty additional seats.

See also my The Fix Is In -- Again!, Why we must not "Get Over It," Has the Case for Election Fraud been Refuted?, Election Fraud: Where's the Outrage?, In 2006, Election Fraud is the Keystone Issue, Debunking the Debunker, and The Gulliberal Problem.
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   Very happy to provide the first recommendation.  bleever   Oct-28-08 01:49 PM   #1 
   The Programmers, or more generically "those who count the votes".  patriotvoice   Oct-28-08 02:18 PM   #2 
   We must pledge that Selection 2008 will be the LAST election year  Raster   Oct-28-08 02:22 PM   #3 
   If voters can be challenged and purged, why not software? nt  eppur_se_muova   Oct-28-08 05:15 PM   #4 
   EP nails it again....  micraphone   Oct-28-08 05:17 PM   #5 
   Crisis Papers, would be an apt name for this thread. Thank you for an enlightening analysis.  bertman   Oct-28-08 08:09 PM   #6 
   Tremendous summary... thank you & bookmarking /nt  Psyop Samurai   Oct-29-08 12:26 AM   #7 
   I think if they steal it  Skittles   Oct-29-08 12:40 AM   #8 
   If your scenario comes to pass . . .  TomClash   Oct-29-08 06:23 AM   #9 
   I have a problem placing the major blame on the programmers...  lelgt60   Oct-29-08 08:24 AM   #10 
   In rebuttal:  Ernest Partridge   Oct-29-08 03:10 PM   #13 
      Thanks for the clarification..emphatically agree with the sentiment  lelgt60   Oct-29-08 06:03 PM   #16 
   Why don't the Democrats protest (loudly) against  johan helge   Oct-29-08 01:30 PM   #11 
   good point  Two Americas   Oct-29-08 02:35 PM   #12 
   You should try living in the middle of it...  Psyop Samurai   Oct-29-08 03:53 PM   #15 
      Good description -  johan helge   Oct-29-08 06:17 PM   #17 
         The Chaos Computer Club has presented  Karenina   Oct-30-08 04:20 PM   #21 
   The theft may happen Tuesday  desktop   Oct-29-08 03:47 PM   #14 
   No counting chickens yet  Dj13Francis   Oct-29-08 07:12 PM   #18 
   The democratic voter registration  mcollier   Oct-29-08 09:56 PM   #19 
   We may have to find out where they store these machines and destroy them.  L0oniX   Oct-30-08 10:07 AM   #20 
 
bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Oct-28-08 01:49 PM
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1. Very happy to provide the first recommendation.
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 01:50 PM by bleever

Excellent overview of the landscape of how our votes are handled once we have cast them.

"Cast", in fact, is ironically appropriate; we cast them into the unknown, where we can only hope that they are properly handled and counted.
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patriotvoice (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-28-08 02:18 PM
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2. The Programmers, or more generically "those who count the votes".
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything." -- Attributed to Stalin

http://www.votefraud.org/josef_stalin_vote_fraud_page.h...
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Oct-28-08 02:22 PM
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3. We must pledge that Selection 2008 will be the LAST election year
we leave our precious Democracy in the hands of rethuglican computer programmers. They have proved they cannot be trusted.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-28-08 05:15 PM
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4. If voters can be challenged and purged, why not software? nt
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micraphone (146 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-28-08 05:17 PM
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5. EP nails it again....
As usual.

I can't help wondering if there isn't a smart code cutter out there who could reverse engineer this 'secret' software and tell us all what is going on. Surely someone could, ahhh, obtain a copy!

After all it was ok for Bill Gates...
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Oct-28-08 08:09 PM
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6. Crisis Papers, would be an apt name for this thread. Thank you for an enlightening analysis.
I agree with the reasoning and most of the conclusions you reach; however, here are a couple of alternative assessments.

First, you state that in the event of a narrow victory for McCain/Palin, even though the public may be sullenly acquiescent, McCain will have trouble governing. It would only take a few Senatorial election manipulations to keep the Democrats from being able to overcome Republican stonewalling. That in itself would be a victory for McCain and his corporate cronies. Gridlock by filibuster will enable the Corporatists to "keep on keepin' on". It's going to take a Democratic President AND Congress working together to break the Corporate deathgrip that is strangling our country.

In addition, a McCain presidency, in cahoots with a right-wing Supreme Court, could draw strength from the powers that the Unitary Executive has been granted over the last eight years by DEMOCRATS as well as Republicans. A neutered U.S. Congress in the thrall of corporate money is very unlikely to be much different from what we have now, except that it will be populated by more Democrats than are currently there. The Presidential veto and signing statements would work very nicely to undermine any attempts at progressive legislation that a nominally Democratic-controlled Congress might try to turn into actual laws.

An Executive with a will to dictate has all the tools that are required to do the job. Public unrest/dissent/disruption can be met with force by our now fully-trained Department of Homeland Security. We have BlackWater as well as other "contractors" who are ready and willing to assume the role of domestic peace-making if called upon to do so by the President. The FBI has already set up its own citizen-deputies in the form of InfraGard. And, of course, the final crowning blow would be the imposition of martial law. Does anyone actually think that John McCain would hesitate to unleash the dogs of war upon American citizens? And if that scenario isn't dire enough for you, just imagine that John McCain were to meet an untimely demise by melanoma (or other more diabolical means) and Sarah Palin were to assume the Presidency. That is a scary, scary thought indeed.

Okay, I've thrown a few alternative possibilities out there as food for thought.

Meanwhile, back to your original premise that there is a mechanism in place to sabotage our attempts to take our country back. You made your case well.


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Psyop Samurai (873 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 12:26 AM
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7. Tremendous summary... thank you & bookmarking /nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Oct-29-08 12:40 AM
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8. I think if they steal it
it will be much more obvious
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 06:23 AM
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9. If your scenario comes to pass . . .
. . . we will no longer acknowledge the authority of the United States over its people.

It starts there.
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lelgt60 (408 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 08:24 AM
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10. I have a problem placing the major blame on the programmers...
The decisions to do these things are done by people, not professions. Blanket accusations against a profession, or even those that work at the mentioned companies are not just.

There may be programmers in on it, or not, but there are also marketing people, finance people, people from all sorts of professions. You have no idea whether someone actually doctoring the code is a programmer by profession or just someone with enough knowledge of programming. If you're going to place the blame on an entire profession, I'd like to see some specific names and evidence.

The average programmer working for these companies is probably making $70-80k. Most of them are probably apolitical (like most people outside election time). And, from my experience, most would blow the whistle in a second if told to do something illegal, especially something undermining the Constitution like this. Just like people from any other profession I've seen.

It's not the profession...it's a few evil people.
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Ernest Partridge (52 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 03:10 PM
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13. In rebuttal:
Point taken! I should have been more precise.

In (semi)-rebuttal:

I did not condemn an entire profession. By accusing a few doctors of malpractice, or a few politicians of corruption, one is not condemning all doctors and politicians. (Fallacy of false generalization). Ergo, I was not condemning all programmers.

As for names and evidence, follow the links in the essay and the endnote.

While it is true that the programmers follow instructions from "above," they are the proximate cause of the corrupted software. Most of the individuals ordering the programming "fixes" are probably computer illiterates. But they know full well the results desired, they ordered and paid for the programming, and thus are ultimately culpable.

In fact, some programmers have blown the whistle, e.g. Steven Spoonamore, Chris Hood, and Clint Curtis. No doubt many more would do so, if ordered to testify under oath. But the media and the democrats are stone deaf to the blown whistles.
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lelgt60 (408 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 06:03 PM
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16. Thanks for the clarification..emphatically agree with the sentiment
As a programmer for 40 years (I'll bet you guessed), it is truly mind boggling what's going on here. Just a travesty.

Interestingly, I worked on a government project in 1969 to find a method that would prevent rigging a vote (by programmers) through an electronic voting machine. Of course it had other applications as well, such as how to prevent tampering with missile launching code.

There are certainly likely specific programmers guilty of malpractice (or even crimes).
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johan helge (753 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 01:30 PM
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11. Why don't the Democrats protest (loudly) against
unverifiable elections?

In my home country Norway, anyone suggesting unverifiable elections would have had trouble being taken seriously ever again. Yet, this is the reality in the US, and without (loud) protests from the Dems? You couldn't make this up.
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 02:35 PM
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12. good point
It is a mystery, not only why the leadership of the party has not been fighting this, but also why there is so much reluctance here to demand of them that they do just that.
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Psyop Samurai (873 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 03:53 PM
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15. You should try living in the middle of it...
Imagine every day of your life totally through the looking glass.

Everywhere you go, everyone you meet... NORMAL... everything is normal. If you suggest that things are NOT normal, they may, on the evidence, even agree with you, but it's like you're describing something on a TV show -- no real connection to people's lives or experience; no sense of any real consequences or responsibility to address the situation.

We have been under full-scale psychological warfare for years.
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johan helge (753 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct-29-08 06:17 PM
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17. Good description -
probably people assume that since this is not discussed in the MSM, the elections are ok, somehow.

The silence of the Dems is a mystery. Perhaps they think the only thing they will achieve by protesting loudly, is that people won't bother to vote.
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21. The Chaos Computer Club has presented
its case in Germany. They WILL be taken seriously here. I was SO SHOCKED when the machines were mandated in every state by 2006. I could NOT grok that anyone over the age of 12 who had EVER worked on a WindoZ platform would not see the HUGE CRAYON MURAL on the wall...
:shrug:
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14. The theft may happen Tuesday
I don't believe there is any poll that says McCain will win. But if you see just enough margins in just the right swing states to give McCain an electoral win and you also see blue states with huge wins for Obama you will know this election has been fixed. I'm not sure it will happen because I think the rightwing hackers may be to afraid to do it this time with such a groundswell for Obama. But that may not stop people with an agenda. They would have to hit Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Virginia to steal the election.
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18. No counting chickens yet
I won't be able to relax until Obama is declared the winner. It is true both that THEY have the ability to steal the election, and that if THEY do steal it, the theft will be obvious to millions of people. Many have wondered if that might be the impetus for the imposition of martial law... Necessary for the quelling of disturbance in the aftermath of another stolen election... When I hear about these supposed polls closing, and incessant chatter about the Bradley Effect, I get very nervous... It seems that Big Media is in on the fix and is already working to enable the cover story.
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19. The democratic voter registration
is through the roof at this time.... The evidence of stealing the election will be totally clear if it happens this time.

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20. We may have to find out where they store these machines and destroy them.
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