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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:51 PM
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"The Rubes and the Elites" (Bitter Small Town America) Salon..
The rubes and the elites
By calling small-town Americans "bitter," Obama has deepened a long-standing rift in the Democratic base. The party's success in November depends on healing it.

By Michael Lind

Apr. 15, 2008 | Rubes. Rednecks. Low-information voters. Beer-track voters. NASCAR man. Bubba. Retro America. These terms have all been used by well-known progressive writers and thinkers to describe white working-class Americans. This familiar litany of contempt provides the context for the firestorm that erupted Friday, when Sen. Barack Obama's remarks to a closed-door group of rich donors in San Francisco were made public by a blogger for the Huffington Post.

Referring to "these small towns in Pennsylvania," Obama told his wealthy audience that the views of these voters on a variety of subjects should be understood as responses to decades of economic distress. "It's not surprising," he said, "then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." When both Hillary Clinton and John McCain accused him of condescension toward nonelite voters, Obama, rather than retracting his assertion, simply restated it in somewhat milder terms the following day at a town hall meeting in Muncie, Ind., saying that there had been a "political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true."

The events of the past few days are additional evidence of a profound rift in the Democratic Party, one revealed in the differing constituencies of the two remaining candidates. One story, told by Obama backers and the mainstream media, holds that there is a white racist problem: The Democratic Party is deeply divided between anti-racists (that is, supporters of Barack Obama) and racists (Democratic primary voters who preferred Hillary Clinton or any candidate other than Barack Obama, particularly the working-class white men who are often described, in zoological terms, as "white males"). The other story, which has yet to be told, holds that the difference between the constituencies of Obama and Clinton has little to do with race and reflects instead long-familiar regional and cultural splits among whites in the Democratic electorate. The prospects of the Democratic Party in the fall depend in part on whether these rifts can be healed.

In the act of rushing to Obama's defense, some prominent liberal bloggers reinforced the stereotype of elite liberal snobbery. On Friday, regular DailyKos diarist RKA argued, "This quote and the resulting feeding frenzy are a huge opportunity for Obama to get the attention of low-information small-town voters who are skeptical of him and convince some of them to vote their pocketbooks instead of their culture." On TPM Cafe, Todd Gitlin wrote that "Obama spoke artlessly, forgetting that the first law of American politics is: Flatter the rubes."

Now there's a campaign slogan. Hey, rubes -- I mean low-information voters -- Vote Your Pocketbook, Not Your Culture!

Should anyone doubt that dissing rather than flattering the "rubes" is an aberration, examples of liberal snobbery are not hard to find in progressive publications. Sometimes it's genteel, sometimes it's raw. In an essay titled "The Urban Archipelago" a few years ago, the editors of Seattle's alt-weekly the Stranger wrote: "It's time to state something that we've felt for a long time but have been too polite to say out loud: Liberals, progressives, and Democrats do not live in a country that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, from Canada to Mexico. We live on a chain of islands. We are citizens of the Urban Archipelago, the United Cities of America. We live on islands of sanity, liberalism, and compassion -- New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle, St. Louis, Minneapolis, San Francisco, and on and on ... And we are the real Americans. They -- rural, red-state voters, the denizens of the exurbs -- are not real Americans. They are rubes, fools, and hate-mongers ... We can secede emotionally ... by turning our backs on the heartland ... We're everywhere any sane person wants to be. Let them have the shitholes, the Oklahomas, Wyomings, and Alabamas. We'll take Manhattan."

A similarly grotesque and repellent caricature of America is found in the 80-something billionaire John Sperling's self-published book "The Great Divide," in which he argues that "Metro America" should turn its back on "Retro America." As Sperling's coauthor Samuel George explained, "Think of it this way. They have Wal-Mart, we have Neiman Marcus." And a few years back, many liberal bloggers were delighted with a chart, soon exposed as a hoax, that purported to show that IQs were higher in blue states than in red states.

Now consider the disturbing way that mainstream progressive thinkers and strategists discuss working-class white voters in terms of demeaning stereotypes. Working-class Catholic voters in the industrial states used to be "hardhats." Now they are "Archie Bunker voters," or "Joe Lunchbucket," or "the beer track voters." Even worse are the terms used for the Southern white working class. It's composed of "rednecks" or "Bubbas" or -- more recently -- "NASCAR man" or even "white trash."

They are apparently aliens whose behavior is irrational, dangerous and unnerving. Peter Beinart, the former editor of the New Republic and now a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, wrote that liberals must "confront" a "scourge": "Let's call him Nascar Man ... Nascar Man is the guy liberals need to win, but usually don't. He loves guns, pickup trucks, chewing tobacco, and church on Sunday. He thinks liberals are high-taxing, culturally libertine, quasi-pacifist wimps. And, once liberals have conjured him up, they no longer say what they really believe -- even to one another ... Nascar Man inhibits intellectual inquiry. He's the bully everyone wants to appease."

With the controversy over Obama's remarks, the mainstream press and Obama supporters have finally noticed the class divide in Democratic politics. They've started to wonder why Mr. and Mrs. NASCAR may not be enthusiastic about the Obama candidacy. A Gallup Poll released on April 9 showed that among non-Hispanic white Democrats, support for Clinton vs. Obama among those with a high school education or less -- 61 to 33 -- was almost the exact reverse of the pattern among those with a postgraduate education -- 32 to 61.

The path of least resistance for liberal journalists and bloggers is to respond to these disturbing numbers by demonizing less-educated white Democrats. That is easier for them than to grasp the idea that these voters might actually like Hillary Clinton. One theory holds that "low information" voters, ignorant of the candidates and the issues, favor Clinton because of name recognition. But contrary to the progressive mythology about "low-information voters," a March Gallup poll shows that "both Obama and Clinton have near-universal name identification across all educational levels."

Even more common has been the claim by many supporters of Obama that the Clinton campaign, by means of subtle appeals to white racial prejudice, has attracted a large number of bigots who oppose Obama because he is black. The "race baiting" is alleged to have consisted of Bill Clinton's comparison of Obama to Clinton's friend Jesse Jackson, and Hillary Clinton's praise for the civil rights efforts of Lyndon Johnson, which, it was said, denigrated the achievements of Martin Luther King Jr. Since when have white race baiters praised Jesse Jackson and LBJ?

Polling data make it clear that the progressives and journalists who have denounced the Clintons as sinister figures "playing the race card" are in black helicopter/grassy knoll territory. According to Gallup, last August -- months before the mythical race baiting is supposed to have begun -- Clinton led among high-school-educated Democrats and tied Obama among more-educated voters in a multi-candidate race. Since then there has been a growth in Obama's support among educated Democrats, as other candidates have dropped out, but no augmentation of Clinton's support in general. The legions of racist white voters alleged to have been driven by subtle race baiting into the Clinton camp following the early primaries do not exist.

There is yet another problem with explaining pro-Clinton votes, not as positive votes for Clinton by people who support her and her positions, but as nothing more than racist anti-Obama votes. Obama has done well in many states, particularly in the Midwest and upper Plains, with nearly all-white populations. David Sirota, a progressive blogger, has suggested that white racist voting increases with the black proportion of the population of a state -- high in Mississippi, low in Minnesota. Racism is supposed to explain why Obama does poorly with white Catholic voters in big industrial cities, who presumably see themselves as competing for jobs, status and real estate with urban black Americans.

But what about Appalachia? Clinton does very well among the largely Scots-Irish population of the mountainous Appalachian region that runs from Pennsylvania down to northern Georgia and Alabama. Why doesn't this mostly white region vote like mostly white Minnesota and Wisconsin? The white racist theory of the 2008 presidential campaign can only be saved by an ad hoc auxiliary hypothesis -- Appalachian whites are Southerners, and everyone knows that all white Southerners are racists, even the ones without black neighbors.

Remarkably, the Sirota theory also suggests that all white Democrats are at least latent racists -- even those who support Obama. Obama's supporters in Minnesota and Wyoming vote for him only because their latent racism hasn't yet been triggered. If enough blacks moved into their states, then -- bang! -- they'd metamorphose into full-fledged Klansmen and vote for LBJ-praising bigots like the Clintons in a hurry.

To those who know anything about American political history, the Sirota theory is clearly nonsense. The key factor in regional support for Obama among whites is not the number of blacks in a state but the number of Yankee pioneers in the 19th century. As Josh Patashnik in the New Republic (quoting a 2004 essay of mine in the American Prospect) has pointed out, Obama finds his greatest white support in what the historian David Hackett Fischer calls "Greater New England" -- the vast region from New England and the Great Lakes to the upper Plains and Pacific Northwest settled by New England Yankees in the 19th century along with culturally similar Germans and Scandinavians. Another historian, Daniel J. Elazar, identifies this Northern band as the home of the "moralistic" political culture, distinct from the "individualist" political culture of the mid-Atlantic and the "traditionalist" political culture of the South. The political culture of this region, influenced by New England Puritanism and Nordic social democracy, has long been antiwar and pro-education, hostile to big business and in favor of civil rights. The moralists of Greater New England have a deep aversion to political conflict and favor consensus, bipartisanship and harmony. This region was the home, after all, in the early 20th century, of the Nonpartisan League. In the early 21st century, if you throw in a few blue college towns in the red states, it overlaps neatly with the Stranger's "Urban Archipelago."

Since 1992, when Ross Perot's Reform Party did best in Greater New England, this area has hosted the nation's only two independent governors -- Angus King of Maine and Jesse Ventura of Minnesota. Sixteen years later, Obama has won most of the Democratic primaries in the states in which John Anderson (1980), Ross Perot (1992, 1996) and Ralph Nader (2000) did best. All of these candidates, despite their different positions and worldviews, fared best among Greater New England voters, who tend to love third-party candidates. Obama's campaign is an overture synthesizing the greatest hits of Elazar's moralist tradition: It is antiwar and anti-partisan, reformist and inspirational. No wonder that the Northern white Protestants who were attracted to John Anderson, Ross Perot and Ralph Nader adore him. No wonder they love him in Wisconsin.

The question, then, is not why Greater New England progressives would vote for Obama. He presses all their age-old buttons: opposition to war, nonpartisan reform. The question is why anyone would assume that such a candidate would appeal to other Democratic constituencies, other than blacks (voting in this case for the favorite-son candidate).

more at......
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/15/elitism/print.html
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:05 PM
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1. Michael Lind is a fucking ass.
Why are you posting this crap?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:34 PM
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4. You only believe it's crap
because you are an Obama supporter. Did you read the whole article? He has data to back him up.

zalinda
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:18 AM
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14. MICHAEL LIND IS A NEOCON.
More precisely, a neo-lib. His head is so far up his ass he hasn't seen daylight since 1992.

He has no more credibility than Bill Kristol.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:12 PM
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2. That's a good read.
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:13 PM by Skinner
Lots of interesting stuff to think on. I was somewhat off-put at the beginning, but by the end I started thinking he might have a point.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:22 PM
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5. Have you read "Deer Hunting With Jesus" by Joe Bageant?
He addresses many of these same issue from a different perspective "inside the belly of the beast", as it were.

In either case, if you enjoyed this article and found it thought-provoking, you might also find "Deer Hunting With Jesus" to be equally so for similar reasons.

All of this mess, or a great deal of it, stems from the construction of the Bush Lie Machine which has made water flow uphill and made war into peace, slavery into freedom, and ignorance into strength, as it were.

But as this gent and Bageant clearly point out, liberals have our share ofthe blame in this, too, nottyhe least of which was letting all of that grow up around us without ever understanding what it was or really opposing it (how can you oppose something you can't or don't want to see).

Now, Bushie Lies are Conventional Wisdom, most of them. We bitch and moan about how two-thirds of us still believe Saddam had something to do with 9-11, but where were our leaders in the 80s and 90s, where were all those supposedly rich Liberal Elitists when it was time to build something to counteract the wildly successful Bush Lie Machine, or at least shine light on it while we still had the chance?

Anyway, I am digressing into my own rant, not Bageant's book so I don't think I have given you any spoilers. You might want to check it out if this article intrigued you.

Then the next question is: OK, we understand what is happening to the tenth decimal place, but at this late date with the metastatsis so advnaced, what can we do NOW (in the absence of a time machine to go back to the late 70s and 80s and WARN the Democrats what was going to happen and that they need to expose the crimes of Reagan/Bush through impeachment, not to mention understanding the construction of the Bush Lie Machine and actively moving to counter it before it was too late)?

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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:00 AM
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9. I have read it.
I thought it was great. (He even gives DU a shout-out.)
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:33 PM
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3. I've been saying this all along, but then
what do I know. He has all the data to back him up, good for him.

I guess I wasn't the only one who was disgusted with what Obama said.

zalinda
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bow-tie Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:08 AM
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6. Who was it
that said the "elite" were his base? Oh yeah, the chimp, that's who.
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Venceremos Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:39 AM
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7. Good read
thanks for posting this article.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:19 AM
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8. I read it, and he's still an ass
Well, maybe "ass" is a little strong but I think he's wrong on several important points.

First off, let me make it clear that I'm a lukewarm Obama supporter. I'm by no means opposed to a Hillary presidency and I certainly don't hate her as some do. I'm sure she'd make a fine president, I just think Obama would make a better one. Nor do I think the Clinton's have made race a huge issue in this campaign (the Ferraro debacle aside). I went Kucinich or Gore, then Edwards and finally settled for Obama.

That said, I have several problems with this. First is the simple fact that "elitism" is so vaguely defined. From what I can tell, it consists mainly of not treating the rural voter as a child whose support you need. Every politician since Reagan (at least) has treated rural voters with the sort of shameless kissing up that Southerners are supposed to despise (but don't really because no-one really minds being flattered). It seems to be based in the assumption that rural voters are hicks who will only vote for someone like themselves, hence Hillary's hunting stories and McCain's flip-flop on abortion. Obama's statements, where he made no pretence of being "just like you" seemed to be an attempt (inartfully worded, I'll grant) to address the voters as grown-ups; "I'm not like you but leave that aside because I am going to benefit you". Clumsy phrasing aside for the moment, it was surprisingly honest.

The author quotes Tom Gitlin in saying Obama "did indeed fall into the Tom Frank vulgar Marxist trap of seeming to say that love of guns or religion (or antipathy, even) is merely derivative, not fundamental". I'm going to ignore the irritating American tendancy to assume that Marxism is a nasty word with no actual meaning (Americans often do this with "fascism" too) because Obama's words, however they are read, have little to do with Marxism but the point is that Obama was not necessarily wrong in that. Both statistics and basic logic show that when people are doing badly, they turn to religion as a form of comfort. Exceptionalism aside, there's no indication that teh US is any different. Of course people pray when they're in trouble, I do, doesn't every believer? As far as guns go, I find "love of guns" to be disturbing in itself. I'm by no means anti-gun but a firearm is a tool, one that requires skill and practice to master. It's not a talisman or a holy book, it doesn't help you commune with the divine, it's just a tool.

Finally, and here I'm quoting from the article itself: "he sincerely believes that working-class whites, lacking the self-awareness to recognize the actual economic origins of their distress, seek relief from their pain by praying in church, slaughtering deer, and making illegal immigrants and imports from foreign countries scapegoats for ills that have nothing to do with immigration or trade". Obama was not necessarily wrong in that sentiment. What is lacking among rural voters is not intelligence (many are highly intelligent), it is the self-awareness caused by disparate views. I'm trying to keep this simple because I don't want to start giving a psychology lecture but are you familiar with a concept called "incestuous amplification"? This is the well-established psychological principle that when people interact entirely or mainly with people who agree with them, they gradually "one-up" each other and their views become gradually more extreme. Take a man who thinks W is a half-decent president, place him at a table with half-a-dozen others who think the same thing and they come away thinking he's the greatest president ever. That's simplified but it gets the concept across (and this is why the Beltway has such polarised views). Now, small towns tend to be more uniform in attitudes than large cities, you're probably observed that yourself. When someone in, say, NYC turns to god or anti-immigrant fervour or whatever to make himself feel better, he is surrounded by and daily interacts with, people whose opinions differ from his and who serve to "re-set" his opinions to their base state. The rural voter , however, has no such disparity of voices and so, talking to people who agree most of the time (and bear in mind, most rural towns have only one newspaper, NYC has at least seven, London has eleven), hiw views gradually become more extreme and more cemented. Not through lack of intelligence but through lack of comparison.

Now, I'm not suggesting for a second that these things are the reason rural voters may vote for Senator Clinton. Rural priorities are always going to be different to urban priorities and they have as much right to express a preference as anyone else. If they prefer Hillary Clinton's policies, more power to 'em. What I am trying to do is explain why Obama's words, clumsy phrasing and all, were not necessarily the insult people percieve them to be.

Now, I have gone on too long and I'm sure you have a rebuttal to make. The floor is yours, sir.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:47 AM
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11. Wow Prophet 451...
I really enjoyed your analysis.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:38 AM
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12. Thank you n/t
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:35 AM
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10. Wow! Lind calls it with clarity and accuracy.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 07:38 AM by susankh4
"the cliché that working-class and even middle-class social traditionalists, when they are not simply ignorant, "low information" hicks, are maladjusted misfits whose political views are nothing more than feeble gestures of misdirected rage, persists as an article of faith among many progressives, who then wonder why the Democrats cannot win over more of the voters they despise."



I have to say that... although I live in Ohio, I am "the educated elite." I have a MS. MY DH has a PhD. My oldest son is a grad. student at Harvard. I have two other children in college.

We started out to be Hillary supporters. My kids have since gravitated to Obama. My DH has waffled. Only I remain steadfastly for Hill.

To be honest, I took no offense in what Mr. Obama actually said. At first.

Thinking about it though.... gives us a sense of trepidation. Why is this man in California, at a "private" fundraiser with elite individuals .... and taking "about" Pennsylvanians this way? I mean... no doubt there are folks out in these parts that see their churches as their only hope. And, yes... there is hatred and xenophobia. The "red state" mentality is tough to witness at times.

But, lets not forget that there are also blue collar people who vote Democratic here. The image of them being talked *about* in their absence.... will leave a bad taste in many of their mouths.

To be honest.... this kind of thing confirms the worst fears of many Appalacian folk. That we are not seeing them as equals. Not including them at the table. That we are looking down upon them and not respecting them.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:51 AM
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13. Hang on
Not to take issue with most of what you say but the line "That we are not seeing them as equals. Not including them at the table. That we are looking down upon them and not respecting them." implies that rural voters are not equally, if not more, guilty of doing the exact same thing to the coasts. For years now, rural voters have presented themselves as more authentic, more patriotic, more humble, down-to-earth "just folks", etc, etc and that image has become far more widespread than the image of rural voters as hicks. How widespread is the image of rural voters as hicks? And how widespread is the lauding of them as the heart of America and the accompanying tirades about blame-america-first, elitist liberals? I'd be surprised if the latter wasn't vastly more widespread. Far from being constantly belittled, the rural voter is near-constantly praised.

Ask a dozen people who their image of the archetypal American is and it's not going to be someone living in NYC, working in advertising. It's going to be Ma and Pa Kent (or possibly Homer Simpson).
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:23 AM
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15. All I know is....
in this neck of the woods, if you are working with the Appalacian community.... you had better have at least one "of their own" representing them at the (board) table.

That is, it turns out, why many healthcare initiatives aimed at this particular demographic have gone down to defeat. Once the public health gurus got the picture... and started including community insiders in the decision making... things changed for the better.

Again, the words that were said may not be as big a deal as the fact that they were uttered in an exclusionary setting. Just my opinion, of course. And I hope I am wrong.





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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:06 PM
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16. You're right, perception is everything
I find that in small towns,if you DON'T try to change their attitude toward something, they will more than likely change. For example, a gay couple that I knew moved into a small town, and was scared to death that their small business was going to fail, of course they had the backup of having a storefront online, but wanted to interact with the towns people too. They were very much surprised that they were accepted. Now, they did not "force" their "gayness" unto the eyes of these people by holding hands or being affectionate in public, but they acted like "normal" people. Towns people soon were able to see that these 2 people were not the devil, but ordinary people. They got invited to participate in local charities and soon the pastor of the local church invited them to join.

They only reason that many of the rural people "hate" is that they haven't interacted with people that aren't like them. The problem comes in when it's pushed into their face like THEY are wrong to not like difference. Rural people are stubborn people, and that's what has made them able to survive. Tell them that they are wrong, and they will work against you to prove that YOU are wrong. "Let them" find out that they are wrong, and they will change.

Of course, we are talking in generalities here, no one fits the profile all the time. What Obama did was like whispering behind their back on how dumb they are for living the life they live. Think about it guys and gals, when you go to a party or bar and a group looks over your way and laughs, are you going to want to go over there and make friends?

zalinda


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