I smell Barack Obama baloney

[antiimperialist]

Friday, January 11th 2008, 4:00 AM
by Juan Gonzalez
NY Daily News writer

There was Sen. Barack Obama the other night, surrounded by his legions of young supporters, proclaiming the Iowa primary a "defining moment in history."

Maybe I'm getting old, or have watched too many silver-tongued politicians promise heaven on Earth only to shatter our hopes, but count me a doubter of the Obama revolution.

...

The Democratic candidate of "change," for example, has raised nearly $100 million in campaign contributions, nearly as much as the Hillary Clinton money machine. Three of his four largest group of bankrollers are executives of Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and JPMorgan Chase.

What kind of change is that?

Among his other top contributors are executives of Exelon Corp., the largest nuclear power operator in the nation. In 2005, Obama talked in a Senate hearing of leaving "on the table" the building of new nuclear power plants - the kind of change that has Exelon ecstatic.

...

In a nation suffering from the greatest wealth disparity in its history, those who tell us we can all get along are selling snake oil.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/11/2008-01-11_i_smell_barack_obama_baloney.html

[Cooley Hurd]

1. This from the brilliant DUer who said that "Hillary" died last night...

:eyes:

[antiimperialist]

2. Juan Gonzalez is a DU'er? Wow, we are going mainstream!

[Cooley Hurd]

3. You know what I mean...

...dink.:thumbsdown:

[antiimperialist]

5. Yeah, I mean you think this article came from me, but my name is not Juan Gonzalez n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

8. No, you posted the scurrilous headline that "Hillary" was dead...

...that's why it was completely removed from the board, brainiac.:eyes:

[antiimperialist]

9. Oh I get it. Juan Gonzalez is wrong because I posted that thread yesterday. Great logic

Ever heard of ad-hominem attacks?

[Cooley Hurd]

11. Using "ad-hominem" as a strawman - nice (but lame) tactic...

Juan Gonzalez DIDN'T post last night on DU - YOU did! You took a breaking news story about Edmund Hillary's death, and posted "Breaking: Hillary has died" or something close to that (it was removed by the mods/admins because of it).

My advice: DU is too smart for your style of trolling. Try IMDB or somewhere else that is populated with mental midgets of your ilk.

[antiimperialist]

12. This thread is about Juan Gonzalez' article

You are a very bad debater, since you miss the point, and attack my character while you are at it, without saying one thing about Juan Gonzalez' opinion about Barack Obama.

This is your logic:

Antiimperialist posted a teaser thread about climber Hillary yesterday, therefore Juan Gonzalez is wrong.

Care to talk about why Juan Gonzalez' article is wrong?

[Cooley Hurd]

13. No, because you're full of shit...

...which was proven unequivically with your crap post (about "Hillary's death") last night. If I were Juan, I'd personally contact you to ask you cease and desist posting my articles. It's a shame your post was pulled last night, so everyone could see what a louse you are.:thumbsdown:

A little advice, sonny - I've been here long enough to know a jackass, and your repulsive post last night proved what you are. It's best you check your warped sense of humor at the door before logging in to DU.

Everything you've posted from last night on will be treated as suspect. Juan, nor myself, didn't destroy your credibility... YOU did.

[antiimperialist]

14. Oooh he got angry...Anyway, your opinion about the article titled "I smell Barack Obama baloney" is?

Don't catch your breath guys. This guy doesn't seem to be interested in talking about the point of this thread anytime soon.

[Cooley Hurd]

15. Hey, Einstein - this is about YOUR credibilty, NOT about the OP...

:eyes:

[antiimperialist]

16. Only Juan Gonzalez is relevant in this thread. It's not my opinion. It's his

Obviously.

Again, you are a poor debater.

[Cooley Hurd]

17. YOU haven't addressed your SHIT thread from last night...

...that makes YOU the stooge here. I accuse, you deflect. Pathetic...:eyes:

On edit: if you apologize for your horrific thread from last night (which was ROUNDLY criticized before the mods pulled it), I'll give THIS thread the benefit of MY opinion. Until then, you're just another troll to me.:thumbsdown:

[antiimperialist]

18. Why would I miss the point? The point of this thread is Juan Gonzalez' argument about Obama

Repeat after me: The point is Juan Gonzalez' argument about Obama.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. You really should work on reading comprehension...

...I could give a rat's ass about THIS thread as long as you REFUSE to atone for that awful thread you posted last night. Do I need to break out the crayons, Dexter?:eyes:

[antiimperialist]

22. You finally admit you purposely miss the point

And the more you focus on things irrelevant to the Daily News article, the more I will focus on the point of this thread: Juan Gonzalez' opinion about Barack Obama.

This forum is about Editorials and Articles, and we come here to cover editorials or articles provided by members.
You have contributed zero thoughts to this discussion.

[antiimperialist]

19. You talking about deflecting? lol

Who's the one who deflected the point of this thread?

[Cooley Hurd]

21. Read my ORIGINAL post...

In it, I said your posts are garbage because of your pitiful stunt last night. Never mind - Mom always said don't play ball in the house... AND don't waste your time on the clueless...

[antiimperialist]

24. How is showing fellow DU'ers an article written by Juan Gonzalez garbage?

Explaining that reasoning is going to be a big challenge for you.

[Cooley Hurd]

25. I've explained it, but it cruised over your head multiple times...

I'm done playing with the handicapped. Have fun masturbating, Corky.:D

[antiimperialist]

26. No. At no point did you explain why my post about Gonzalez' article was garbage

Your only explanations were in regards to a post yesterday about a man who climbed the Everest.
You have not explained how today's original post in Editorials and Other Articles is garbage. You have not addressed Gonzalez' claims either.

[scarletwoman]

4. k & r -- Thank you for posting this, my feelings exactly. (nt)

[ccpup]

6. with Obama, you pull away the fragile gossamer

of his Hope and Change rhetoric and you're left with ... oh, let's just leave that gossamer in place, why don't we. Some things are better left unseen.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[balantz]

7. Juan Gonzalez knows where the beef is,

and where it isn't.

[madeline_con]

10. Be careful. The naysayers will be calling you racist! n/t

[Bishop Rook]

23. And yet he out-raises Clinton and Edwards in small donations

Not just in absolute terms, but in percentages too. You think any candidate in this race doesn't have some major rich-interests bankrolling them? I'm at least comfortable in the fact that Obama has the highest proportion of his money coming from the working class (followed very closely by Edwards, and Clinton in a very distant third).

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/6014.html

[spooky3]

27. not in percentage terms, per Open Secrets

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordems.asp?cycle=2008

28% of Edwards' donations are for <$200, vs. 25% for Obama.

[Bishop Rook]

28. I stand corrected.

Edwards first, then Obama, with Clinton very distantly holding up the rear.

This page also states it does not include PAC donations, which Edwards and Obama do not accept. If those were included, Clinton's numbers would look even worse.

[spooky3]

29. the whole system needs to change

[Bishop Rook]

30. Yeah, it really does. (nt)

[stickernation]

31. back to the issue at hand...

okay obama fans ! tell me why i shouldn't care that Goldman Sachs is all up on your candidate, especially after hearing you whining and grinding out of control on JRE's mansion and shit.

come on, let me know, why is obama cool with taking such money and then we'll be back on topic.

tell me why, don't just rag on the messenger who reposted something that you will be hearing a LOT more of as this primary season winds on.

[balantz]

32. Now there's some crickets....

chirp....chirp.......chirp