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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:45 PM
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A Nation of Christians Is Not a Christian Nation
NYT op-ed: A Nation of Christians Is Not a Christian Nation
By JON MEACHAM
Published: October 7, 2007



JOHN McCAIN was not on the campus of Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University last year for very long — the senator, who once referred to Mr. Falwell and Pat Robertson as “agents of intolerance,” was there to receive an honorary degree — but he seems to have picked up some theology along with his academic hood. In an interview with Beliefnet.com last weekend, Mr. McCain repeated what is an article of faith among many American evangelicals: “the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”...

The only acknowledgment of religion in the original Constitution is a utilitarian one: the document is dated “in the year of our Lord 1787.” Even the religion clause of the First Amendment is framed dryly and without reference to any particular faith. The Connecticut ratifying convention debated rewriting the preamble to take note of God’s authority, but the effort failed.

A pseudonymous opponent of the Connecticut proposal had some fun with the notion of a deity who would, in a sense, be checking the index for his name: “A low mind may imagine that God, like a foolish old man, will think himself slighted and dishonored if he is not complimented with a seat or a prologue of recognition in the Constitution.” Instead, the framers, the opponent wrote in The American Mercury, “come to us in the plain language of common sense and propose to our understanding a system of government as the invention of mere human wisdom; no deity comes down to dictate it, not a God appears in a dream to propose any part of it.”

While many states maintained established churches and religious tests for office — Massachusetts was the last to disestablish, in 1833 — the federal framers, in their refusal to link civil rights to religious observance or adherence, helped create a culture of religious liberty that ultimately carried the day....

The founders were not anti-religion. Many of them were faithful in their personal lives, and in their public language they evoked God. They grounded the founding principle of the nation — that all men are created equal — in the divine. But they wanted faith to be one thread in the country’s tapestry, not the whole tapestry....

(Jon Meacham, the editor of Newsweek, is the author of “American Gospel” and “Franklin and Winston.”)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/opinion/07meacham.html
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:54 PM
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1. Of course this is a Christian nation!
Edited on Sun Oct-07-07 11:54 PM by TechBear_Seattle
The Founders were very careful to lay all that out in the Constitution....

Hmmm....

Let's see... religion... Preamble....

Article I....

Article II....

Article III....

Article IV... no....

Article V....

Aha! Article VI, paragraph 3: ... all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. Uhhh, that's not it....

Article VII....

There it is! Just above the signatures: Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth.

See? They used the Christian system of dating, thereby proving beyond any doubt that the Founders inteded to create a Christian theocracy. So there!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 11:55 PM
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2. Great post! Thanks! nt
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:06 AM
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3. Glad I could help
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