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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 07:53 PM
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How to Get Out of the U. S. in 60 Days (with more than the clothes on your
Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ezekiel_061001_how_to_get_out_of_th.htm


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October 1, 2006

How to Get Out of the U. S. in 60 Days (with more than the clothes on your back)

By Ezekiel


Your 60-Day Plan


We're going to make this as simple and straightforward as possible.

There are three aspects to leaving the country:

choosing a destination that will be both safe and open for immigration (numbered in blue);
assembling the documents you will need to start your new home abroad (numbered in green); and
gathering your assets and making them transportable to your new home (numbered in red).
You're going to need to proceed along all three fronts at once, so we'll use the color-coding listed above to help you keep things in their proper category.

We've divided this up into eight one-week periods. In less than 60 days, you can be out of the country with the doucments you need to obtain residency in your new home and some money available for a new start.

Week 1 1) If you don't have a passport, apply for one immediately and pay for the expedited process.
2) Apply for new copies of birth certificates for everyone who is going.
3) Go to these websites to begin researching destinations:

entry requirements by country;
economy, weather, safety, politics;
our choice and why;
a Flash movie about our choice and why

4) If you own a home, find an auctioneer with experience selling real estate who is able to set an auction date for your house, vehicles and personal goods within 30 days (it CAN be done), and tell them you want to close on the real estate within 30 days of the sale (it CAN be done). Collect all important documents: your mortgage, title insurance, termite inspections, property tax receipts, etc.
5) Begin sorting your personal items into four categories:

for sale
give to charity
to move (keep this very limited)
to store for now


Week 2 1) Narrow your destination list to four or five countries and research these in more depth. Purchase and check out some books on these countries.
2) Obtain official copies of criminal reports, transcripts, diplomas, certifications.
3) Decide what to do about pets. If you're considering moving them, go here to begin your research.
4) Get physicals for everyone who's going and have them notarized.

INSTRUCTIONS CONTINUE

You can be sure that the ruthless people currently in power in the U. S. have plans for what they will be doing over the next 60 days.

You need to have your own.

Authors Website: http://shelter.inkom.hr

Authors Bio: Ezekiel now has a website for people who want to learn more about emigrating: Shelter from the Storm.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:03 PM
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1. There goes any chance of sleeping tonight.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:05 PM
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2. Sorry About That
Still, I wouldn't have been able to sleep if I hadn't brought it to the group's attention.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:10 PM
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4. not your fault, I blame the fascists and their appeasers.
As an election reformer and someone involved in the '04 election and active war protest-I figure I'm on the first train. Wouldn't be so bad except I have young children. :(

Gotta fight for our future. :patriot:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 06:01 AM
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11. I Figure That Given My Situation, I'll Be In the Resistance/Revolution
It will be a pleasure to inflict some mayhem on those who destroyed my country.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:06 PM
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3. This site is trying to encourage
people to move to Croatia. Interesting.

Good info.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:26 PM
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5. this site is BS because most countries wouldn't accept you
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 08:28 PM by tocqueville
including Croatia

there is a big difference between asking for a temporary visa and obtaining a staying permit without special reason like a job contract, marriage or because you can show that your material assets can really pay for your staying.

Most European countries would ask what means of living you have before granting a staying permit, since it's unlikely that a status of political refugee would be granted.

When you move to a new country and specially if you don't speak the local language there can be big problems in finding housing and job. So for people with money that can at least subside a year (count at least ($24000-30000 for a single person) it's possible. It gives you a minimum time to find something to rely on.

Otherwise it's completely foolish. The risk would be that you become an illegal alien. Of course a lot of people would help you in Europe and it's not likely you'd be deported. But a life in poverty could be the result if things turn bad. If you have kids forget about it.

Of course if the US would really collapse into open fascism and mass emigration occurred things would be different.
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:39 AM
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12. You're wrong, tocqueville.
You apparently try to cover your lack of knowledge with attacking language.

Here are the facts:

1) a U. S. passport will get you 90 days in most countries;
2) if you want to stay longer, or to legally earn money, you'll need more: a business visa, a work permit or temporary residency;
3) in most countries, creating a company (similar to forming an LLC in the U. S.) will get you a long way toward a business visa and a legal way to earn money.

Requirements for forming a company vary greatly from country to country. It requires six figures in start-up capital in Australia and New Zealand, plus there are age restrictions that make it very difficult for anyone over 50. In Croatia, however, it takes $3,500 in start up capital and $3,750 in fees and expenses. The only documentation required for company formation is a passport and an address back in the home country (which is never used). The process takes 2-3 weeks, at which point the owner is eligible for a business visa and directors for work permits.

A business visa, work permit or temporary residence permit are good for one calendar year and are very easy to renew. They cost around $30 per year. After two renewals, they are issued for two years. After five years, the holder is eligible for permanent resident status.

As holder of that status, the individual has full economic rights. They are enrolled in the national health care plan (that covers dental, eyeglasses, prescriptions, everything), your kids can go to school, and you have full economic rights.

Is it better if you have some savings to live off of? Sure. That's the case wherever you are. Your dollar figure is way off for Croatia. A family of four can live here for $24,000 a year. Food and energy costs are a little higher, but all-inclusive health care for four people costs $60 a month (and Croatia's system makes up in caring well-trained doctors and up-to-date equipment what it lacks in beautiful new buildings).

I know what I'm talking about. I left the U. S. in 2005, established a company here, acquired a business visa for myself, a work permit for an adult child, and temporary residence permits for a spouse and two minor children. I have a child in the school system, and my spouse has used the health care system extensively.

tocqueville, before you try to discourage people from considering options that might preserve their lives and freedom, you might check out the facts: http://www.shelter.inkom.hr.

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:27 PM
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6. Damn, I just applied for a passport yesterday
but I didn't ask for expedited service. Six - eight weeks for normal delivery so I might get here in under 60 days.
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:41 PM
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8. Don't forget the Chip
If you are applying for a passport, check the internet for information on that new chip. It's scary...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:36 PM
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7. Thanks, filing this away, already started on assembling papers
The financial stuff will take more time. If I leave in a hurry, I have a cousin who can use this house.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:58 PM
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9. The US is more of a prison than the former USSR for most.
If you are not wealthy, if you have any kind of criminal record above a misdemeaner, if you were ever clinically depressed, if you do not have a college degree; the US is a prison. You may visit other countries but they WILL ship you back here unless you are wealthy.

Refugees from the former USSR were welcome in many nations around the world with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

I, for several of the reasons above, am a prisoner in the United States. Most likely you are too.
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:48 AM
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13. Things are not quite that bleak.
1) You don't have to be "wealthy."

Many people have enough in savings or the equity in the house (though that drops every day) to go abroad. If you're determined to go to Australia or New Zealand, you had better have net, liquid assets in the mid six figure range, but it takes less than $10,000 to get set up in Croatia. After that, it's a good idea to have a year's living expenses in hand as you get started with earning money. That's around $2,000/month for a family of four here.

2) criminal record

Nearly all countries require a criminal report, and it makes it a lot easier if it shows up clear. There are possibilities for special handling, though.

3) medical problems

Some countries, like New Zealand, require a doctor's exam. Others, like Croatia, do not.

4) college degree

If you're trying to get a job in a popular destination like New Zealand, you had better have very special skills. If you're going as a retiree to Costa Rica or set up your own company in Croatia, no one cares what your educational level is.


The only thing making you a prisoner in the U. S. is you. There are options and people who can help.

http://www.shelter.inkom.hr
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:57 AM
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15. Out of Curiosity, what is is like living in Croatia?
How are the people, the culture, the general quality of life??

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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:22 AM
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16. Where I live...
...is a mix of Italian, Austrian and Slavic cultures. The people generally like Americans, but not Bush. They're rather well-educated, and there's a refreshing respect for intellectuals and artists. Most people under 40 speak English since it's required in the schools. Most people over 40 show the effects of having lived through the Balkans' War in the early 90s. It often seems that everybody smokes.

The pace of life is different. People are religious about taking a coffee break mid-day, and the cafe-bars fill with people who sit outdoors as long as it's sunny. On Sundays and holidays, everything is closed except for the gas stations and some cafe-bars. There are no 24/7 stores. While our city has a few supermarkets and a little indoor mall, most people still shop at the local market that has an indoor section for the butchers and fishermen and outdoor stalls that are open year round for vegetables and fruits, most of which are grown right around town.

Croatia, of course, was part of a communist state under Tito from the end of WW II until the late 80s. Tito had a non-aligned foreign policy, that's being emulated by Croatia's leadership, and a mix of some private property and entrepreneurship within the mostly state-owned economy. The product of this history is a country with a fairly even distribution of wealth and income, and a lot of small businesses. The large state enterprises were privatized, and some have been bought by European companies, e.g. the phone company is owned by DT.

The climate is Mediterranean. We have palm and citrus trees and no snow. The interior of Istria is a little cooler and has lot of vineyards and olive groves. The Adriatic is remarkably clear, like the Bahamas, but the water is obviously cooler--around 73-74 F in the summer. Location-wise, Istria is a half-day's drive from Venice (the ferry is another option), Ljubljana, Slovenia and Zagreb. Within a day are Florence, Milan, Munich, Vienna and Budapest along with the ski resorts in the Swiss Alps.

The New York Times called the area "the new Tuscany" and National Geographic named Croatia "most beautiful" in '05. Tourism from Europe is a major part of the economy.

There's a detailed list of reasons why Croatia offers an attractive sanctuary here: http://shelter.inkom.hr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=253&Itemid=29.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:16 PM
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10. Thanks. I can use this.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:32 AM
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14. Mosberg tactical shotgun with extra powder slugs.... any questions?
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 09:35 AM by oc2002
any assholes that get in front of me or prevent my passage on my way to Canada that is. boom.

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