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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:47 PM
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Bush targeted by leftist 'intelligence professionals'
A group calling itself the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity sent President Bush a letter demanding that Cheney resign over the issue of Saddam's WMDs. Now who or what is VIPS? This is a question that many have been asking. The answer is simple. It is a front for the notorious Marxist-Leninist Washington-based IPS (Institute for Policy Studies).

This is what Brian Crozier (a highly respected commentator on intelligence matters and a fellow of the prestigious Institute for the Study of Conflict) had to say about the IPS:

"The IPS is the perfect intellectual front for Soviet activities which would be resisted if they were too originate openly from the KGB." ..

Of course, the likes of the Independent, The New York Times, CNN, CBS and the ABC have been too busy cheerfully parroting VIPS' agitprop line to bother mentioning its Marxist-Leninist connections. But no one really expects anything less from this bunch of Bush-haters. ..

More here
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:49 PM
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1. "...the perfect intellectual front for Soviet activities..."...??? Current
I know that time is distinctly non-linear in nature, but...
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American Renaissance Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:54 PM
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2. a correction,
Bush targeted by slandered and manipulated 'intelligence professionals'
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:56 PM
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3. Quite an opinion piece.
However, I don't see anything in the way of verification of the rather inflammatory statements made.

Additionally, scanning the other articles on the source site, it appears to be a reactionary left-over from the anti-Soviet cold war days... kind of a British version of NewsMax.

Forgive me if that leaves me just a teensy bit skeptical.

:eyes:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:57 PM
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4. Soviets? KGB?
Did I fall into a time warp or something?
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FDRLincoln Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:01 PM
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5. beware crozier
Crozier was an apologist for Francisco Franco. He's a loon.
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Dimsdale Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:45 PM
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13. This just in...
Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead...as well as the Soviet Union.. Film at 11..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:07 PM
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8. my my
QUICK we must call Monsters Inc...

I hear they do have some left over Marx and Lenin doors
and they have no clients for those boogeymen.

God we did fall into a time warp....

I do not know about you, but this KGB time warp is
kind of scary... now they are going for classic
1920s Red Baiting
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:29 PM
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10. LOL
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:04 PM
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6. This is you brain on drugs.
:puke:
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AbbPoacher Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:04 PM
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7. VIPS targeted by neo-fascist disinformation rag.
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 07:05 PM by AbbPoacher
the only connection is the letters i,p,s...Who's next Gladys Knight?sp
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 10:14 PM
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18. Not to mention AshKroft--remember (T)IPS? n/t
.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:26 PM
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9. BrookesNews is a "pseudo-news" site ...
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 07:42 PM by TahitiNut
... that's actually a neoconservative outlet for "Austrian School" (Ludwig Van Mises) (meta-)economics screeds. These people probably never saw anyone to the left of Pat Buchanan as other than Marxist-Leninists. I'd regard them somewhat to the right of FauxNews with a pseudo-intellectual facade.

Mr. Crozier, once associated with the Hoover Institute, appeared in London over 35 years ago, apparently as a disinformation front (i.e. "Institute for the Study of Conflict", not to be confused with similarly-named organizations) for the CIA at the height of the Cold War. Mr. Crozier is a fan of Pinochet and demonizes Allende. Mr. Crozier is an old-style "red scare" monger.

Have you been dumpster-diving, LauraK??? :eyes:
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:33 PM
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11. Oh, what a lovely mistake....
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 07:35 PM by Patriot_Spear
Pissing off career Intelligence Officers who have access to Closed and Open source material... This guy has just made a HHHUUUUUGGGGEEEEE error in judgement.


There's no worse insult to an old Cold Warrior than Commie.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:45 PM
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12. perhaps this was the purpose
of the latest Coulter screed - to re-issue the "anti-communist" McCarthyism -

I guess the "red scare" is next! LOL!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:52 PM
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14. Communist Infiltrators?!?
We really MUST investigate now!

Every day I think they've said the dumbest thing possible, they say something worse!
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gumdrop Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:54 PM
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15. too lame
I demand original and creative smear/scare tactics. It would be much more amusing to label them Baathists or something...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 09:27 PM
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16. The source of this article, Brookes News, is a rightwing website!
Let's take a close look at the source of this article! Brookes News reads like a poor man's version of Ann Coulter. Here are the stories featured on its home page:

Why the left support the BBC's neo-Stalinist agitprop that defends treason

Arab politicians stayed silent on Saddam's killings fields
(republished from MEMRI, the ultra-zionist rightwing website that DU will not even accept as a reliable source in the Foreign Affairs forum)

Arafat Transferred Intelligence on Iraqi Opposition to Saddam's Regime
(another story from MEMRI)

Why does Ralph 'the Red' Nader support Arafat's terrorism?
(I've heard a lot of DUers call Nader all sorts of names, but never "Red")

Witchhunting Democrats and their Leninist 'whistlblowers'
(need I add to this Coulterian pronouncement)

http://www.brookesnews.com /
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 09:59 PM
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17. A poor man's Ann Coulter?
Wow! I didn't know that was possible.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 10:19 PM
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19. I wanna know what a RICH man's Ann would be
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 10:20 PM by DrBB
One with personality? Non-protruberant adams apple? Brains? Judgment? What?

"But my book has footnotes!"
--Ann Coulter, Intellekshual, 2002
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 10:43 PM
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20. naaaahhh...
...a lottery winner from Whispering Pines Trailer Court................
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:51 PM
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22. The rich man's Ann Coulter?
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 12:09 AM by Jack Rabbit
Perhaps one with the ability to develop a theme?

Or write a coherent essay?

Or simply contribute something more valuable to the national discourse than this, speaking of a Democratic contender's wife:

In a profile of (the candidate)'s current . . . wife . . . in the upcoming issue of (a national) magazine, (a) noted journalist . . . quotes (the candidate) oozing with admiration for his wife, saying she is "very earthy, sexy, European." "Earthy" and "European" appear to be euphemisms for hairy armpits and body odor. But we get it.

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 10:49 PM
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21. Intelligence work is apolitical by necessity.
Downright dangerous to allow political persuasion to color intelligence gathering and reporting when so much is at stake.

This article is unmitigated crybaby bullshit.
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the_sam Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:50 AM
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23. ROFLMAO
Oh, man. The right's attempted defenses just get more and more absurd...
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