Wag The Gassed Dog (Who else remembers seeing this on cable TV?)

[No Exit]

I knew I had seen this footage on CNN. I just couldn't remember exactly when I'd seen it. This article, at its source, includes a screen capture of the CNN story, showing the dog that was supposedly gassed. I myself remember that the CNN story had some pretty awful footage in it.

Our media, in August, 2002, was telling us that Saddam was wilfully gassing puppies. I remember thinking, "The propagandists are really almost a caricature of themselves." However, of course I was ignorant of the extent of the Bush-owned-media duplicity.

Putting aside our disgust at gassing animals, I think we'd have to admit that some of the propaganda fed us--to try to make us support this war--was really, really, over the top.

I'd like to thank the owner of whatreallyhappened.com for helping me to remember just WHEN I had seen this story on cable news.
--No Exit

WAG THE GASSED DOG

www.whatreallyhappened.com


08/19/02 "WAG THE GASSED DOG" This is the purest war propaganda. One video of what may be Osama bin Laden plus a video of a dog being gassed which could have been created anywhere equals the US sinking to new lows trying to manufacture support for a war nobody but the oil companies want. This dog-video reminds me of Hill & Knowlton's much ballyhooed claim that Iraqi troops were stealing incubators from Kuwait hospitals and leaving premature babies to die on the floor. That was a hoax to sell a war. And until proven otherwise, the safest course is to assume this latest "shock video" is just another hoax by the public relations firms which grow rich and fat off of your tax dollars by lying to you for the US Government. Anonymous US officials have declared this to be "unquestionable" evidence that al Qaeda has chemical weapons. I find it very questionable. For one thing, compare the quality of the dog video with that of the famous Osama "confession" tape or even the most recent Osama tape. Why does a dog get much better video quality than the boss? Add to that the cuteness of the dog, as if intentionally selected by central casting to provoke the greatest feelings of sympathy in the viewer, instead of just grabbing any old mangy stray mongrel to use in such a test. Yes, this video is shocking, but the shock is intended to shock people past questioning the claims of where the video came from. All day long the media have been blasting the "Arabs kill puppy dogs" story all over the airwaves, trying to create a linkage between Arabs and chemical weapons where none can be proven to factually exist. Given the sensitization to chemical weapons contained in this media barrage, I have to wonder if the next stage provocation, intended to further the war against Iraq, will also involve chemical weapons.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/dog.html

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Even Bush called it propelling propaganda.We call "flinging the crap"

[rooboy]

2. I remember it VERY well. Nick Robertson of CNN...

was allegedly directed to a house where there were 50 Al Qaeda training videos. I found it extremely odd that they never bothered to show much more than a dog sitting in a gassed room.

[wtmusic]

3. Sorry, I believe it

Recently came across a "Mujahadeen Poisons Manual" online citing specific tests on rabbits, and how long each poison took to kill the rabbit.

[Ben Ceremos]

5. Did you order it online?

or purchase it through your local Mujahedeen bookstore? Believing in scary stories doesn't make them true and you would think after 5 years of Bushco propaganda you would be more critical of what the public gets to see. Especially about all these nefarious schemes and dangerous enemies "stalking America"...Sheesh!

[wtmusic]

8. No it was a .pdf

and I believe it for the following reason: it contained accurate recipes for many highly lethal poisons. Would the DOD publish these extremely dangerous materials online just for its limited propaganda value in selling a war? Doesn't add up.

Apparently you think 9/11 was MIHOP and America is loved around the world. Osama bin Laden is as real as the Wicked Witch of the West, and al Qaeda was invented by the DOD. Any particular reason for this rosy worldview? :shrug:

[No Exit]

9. Mujahadeen?? You mean, like, al quaeda??

It has been proven that Saddam/Iraq were not connected to al quaeda, and had a deep distrust of al quaeda.

The story I referenced contained allegations against SADDAM.

Oh, and by the way, who REALLY wrote that "Mujahadeen Poisons Manuel"?? Could it have been OUR disinformation specialists? I think most or all of the info that is brought to us about the "mujahadeen" is lies and propaganda. How would we know?? We don't speak their languages, and we have to rely on our government and MSM (two VERY unreliable sources) to tell us about it.

[undergroundpanther]

4. I wrote about that dog

The trouble with al Qaeda ...

by Underground Panther in the Sky

Have you noticed, after all these child abduction stories, we get videos of dogs and other animals being tortured for testing chemical weaponry? Normally this side of business is hidden from the public eye, but it has always been business as usual for chemical and biological weapons makers.

Why are these tapes out shocking the public now? And what do these tapes say about the average American's social relational skills? First of all, we need to realize that there is a deep public selective amnesia.

Forgotten by most are the photos and articles about Osama bin Laden and Bush brokering an oil deal that failed to happen before the "war on terror". Forgotten is the American government's habit of propping up dictatorial regimes, not for "democracy" but for the almighty profit. Forgotten are the obscene acts of animal cruelty done every day by American pharmaceutical companies, slaughterhouses, and make-up and shampoo manufacturers.

What makes you think these tapes were not created by our tax dollars — dollars we shovel unquestioningly to our exploiting government-corporate-military, that convinces us we are free when we never truly own what we buy? Would you write a check for half your income and give it away, saying "Do what you want with it, " to just anyone? No!! You would want to know what the money is for. You'd want an explanation, and you'd want to be shown what it was going to be spent on, and then you'd want proof it was spent for what they said it was.


Here:

http://upits.pitas.com/082302.html

[BJW]

6. The Flip Side

is that our government tortures, kills, gasses and maims animals every day.

I don't have any links handy, but the available information about defense department weapons testing and "defense research" on animals alone is shocking and horrible.

One extremely mild "research" study I read a long time ago in a publication had to do with supposedly improving treatment for the bends. The researchers put a bunch of German Shepards underwater in bathospheres to various depths and then yanked them up to see what different measurements they got, and recorded the variety of responses.

This research was funded and performed well after the solid protocols for diagnosis and treatment of the bends had long been in existence, and well after many hospitals had installed hypobaric facilities.

The information that's been leaked on "top secret" animal experiments done in the name of weapons development and national defense is so horrible, and so far beyond anything most of us could ever even imagine goes on.

And our tax dollars are funding all of it.

[No Exit]

10. Excellent! n/t

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

7. Rendon Group or no, the site whatreallyhappened.com

is a nasty pit of anti-semitism.

[No Exit]

11. Why is

critique of the state of Israel equated with anti-semitism????

I believe that the majority of American Jews do not approve of much of the draconian measures employed by the likudniks and the state of Israel.

Whatreallyhappened.com comments on Israel, and I've seen articles on it which asserted that in fact the majority of American Jews do not agree with much of what Israel does.

The site used to have a quote by Colin Powell posted: "It is not anti-semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel." I agree with Powell. Besides, Arabs are ALSO semites.

Why are nations discussed freely in discussion forums--look at the stuff about France, for example... hell, look at the stuff about the U.S.!--but somehow Israel is considered different, special, not able to be criticized because "that would be anti-semitic"? Why should some people/nations get special treatment, while others don't?

[BJW]

12. Agreed and Agreed With Both

it's important to know the background, attitudes and opinions of media sources, but just because a media source may have backgrounds, attitudes and opinion we disagree with, it doesn't logically follow that the information isn't valuable, suspect or truthful.

Restrained skepticism--that's the ticket.

I do have more and more skepticism of persons and organizations claiming others are "anti-Semitic," because when I've check out the claims, I've discovered more and more that the claims are not factually based, but rather seem levelled to circumvent rational discourse about US support for Israel and Israel's policies.

[No Exit]

13. Your approach seems reasonable to me.

And I try, with varying degrees of success, to do the same thing.

Israel is only a part of the big picture regarding, for example, what the neocons are doing to America. I mean, for example, Saudi Arabia is another part--but when someone mentions Saudi Arabia, I never seen anyone get all teed off...

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

14. When you accuse Israel of everything

that's wrong in this world - from any bomb going off, to all Nazi's actually being Israeli provocators, to 9-11 to the Iraq war ... that's anti-semitic using anti-zionism as an excuse. Rivero is also fond of mixing in links to blatently anti-semitic sites (judicial-inc.biz for eg - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/2005_10.html (scroll down to "Real Nazi's or More Zionist Hoaxes")

[ElectroPrincess]

15. Yes, but you can NO longer depend on the "safety net"

that anyone can squelch criticism of Israel by baiting it with the Holocaust. Too many Zionists forget that it was not just "their people" who were systematically murdered by the Nazis (6 million) but also a sizable percentage of (4 million) for Gypsies, Poles, Gays, etc.

The Evil of the Nazis was not "all about" the Jewish People.

Every time Israel, The Thuggish Theocracy is criticized for it's ham handed retaliations, don't be surprised if - what used to work - no longer "plays" after Israel is systematically doing, on a lesser scale, to the Palestinians, as what happened to them.

It does go both ways and *elitism* (Religion, Nationalism, Ethnic Groups) is the LOW ROAD to systematic genocide.

Part of the answer: Fully Integrated ONE country Israel-Palestine: EVERYONE gets to vote and ALL VOTES are counted.

[No Exit]

17. Thank you.

I think it is selfish and narcissistic for one group to claim special privileges because of past horrors inflicted on it AND OTHERS by a horrible regime. And, incidentally, when THIS horrible regime is over, I guess I'll even feel pity for the republicans who have been screwed over by it. (Well.. maybe...)

[No Exit]

16. Are you saying there have never been such hoaxes?

Not only by Zionists, but by other groups?? Such hoaxes, agents provocateur, "black ops", etc., are not a "Zionist" thing, but a "history" thing, because they have been done by many diverse groups. Other groups are criticized for doing such things, and Israel the state should be treated no differently if it has engaged in such things. You know the U.S. is frequently criticized--by its own citizens--for such plots. You seem to be saying that people should afford Israel more reverence than they afford their own country.

Sorry if you don't like the stories posted there, but we are supposed to be guaranteed free speech--and his posting of stories is not even direct "speech".

Those Zionists who follow the neocon principles have become the abyss. Yes, in my opinion, they have become that which they SAY horrifies them most: Hitler-like creatures, who believe in, among other things, endless war and wars of pure conquest/empire. The non-Zionist neocons are no better, but they are at least not hiding behind the image of Hitler's horrors to deflect criticism. (They hide behind other things--such as Kremlin-like secrecy.)

It is our right to speak of anything which poses a threat to our way of life.

Nobody is "accusing Israel of everything". That's a somewhat hysterical claim!

But if people can say the things they say about France, or Saudi Arabia, or Venezuela, then Israel should be treated NO DIFFERENTLY. Israel is not guaranteed some special elevated status among nations. As another poster has pointed out, even the nazi extermination camps' horror was not by any means limited to Jews--if that happens to be one's reason for claiming that Israel is somehow entitled to special treatment on the world stage. Plus, I will reiterate that "Israel" and "Jews" are not identical. For example, in no way do I equate American Jews with the practices of Israel the state.

I am against special treatment for any group. No sacred cows.

[oblivious]

18. He picks on the Catholic Church and Bush and Blair adminstrations too.

And he's brutal with the neocons, Christian fundies, republican perverts, FBI, CIA, M5, and so on. So I guess he's anti-government, anti-religion, anti-republican, anti-neocon, anti-tax, anti-propaganda, anti-intel, anti-a whole lot of things, the Sharon government and Israeli intelligence among them. But I don't see any reason to call criticism of the Israeli govenment anti-zionist. It makes as much sense as calling critics of the Bush administration anti-American.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

20. That doesn't & shouldn't excuse his anti-semitism.

People like Lyndon Larouche & David Duke "pick on" all the organisations you cite, but we don't lend them any credibility. Rivero should be no exception. I don't have much time so am relying on a very quick google, but consider the following - far beyond simple "criticism of the Israeli govenment".

Rivero claims:

Israel controls America:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/briefing.html

(He used to have the following quote in big bold print at the top of his site:

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

the only problem is that it's completely made up.

(Alternatively, Israel is blackmailing America):
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html

Israel did/assisted 9/11:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/govknow.html

Israel is behind the Iraq war:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/offtowar.html

US Media is loyal to Israel (not America):
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/litmus.html

"Are ALL Al Qaeda really working for Israel?"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

and currently top of his page, Israel has a hand in the French riots

He describes Henry Makow (a blatant anti-semite & nasty misogynist to boot - if you don't believe me see his site http://www.savethemales.ca/) as a "world class author":
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/July02articles.html

Rivero & Holocaust Denial

2 links:

"The State of Israel was founded on the Holocaust myth"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/week_2005_01_02.html

"IHR Rally for Peace and Justice"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/week_2005_07_31.html
(IHR is the Institute for Historial Review -- Neo-nazi Willis Carto's holocaust revisionist organisation. The "Rally" was to denounce the Wiesenthal Center.)

He supports Ernst Zubdel (arch Holocaust denier):
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/kangaroo.html

and the following is from Zundel's website (run by a supporter who calls the Holocaust a "blood libel"):

"The Internet, too, was alert and responsive to this tectonic political shift. Especially the Globe and Mail article, titled "Ernst Zundel: Civil Rights champion?" appeared on many prominent websites, for instance, on www.rense.com and www.whatreallyhappened.com - at the latter website with this editorial comment:

"Public opinion is beginning to turn towards Ernst and away from his persecutors. Ernst has not been charged with a crime, let alone convicted. The bottom line is that Ernst is being persecuted for questioning dogma, exactly the same crime for which Galileo was tortured. Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history, it is only lies that required the force of the courts to mandate belief.""

http://www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/march07-04_zgram.html

If you have no problem with someone who stands by the above then that's your call.

(2nd edit - I thought this was the case, but as this thread has been open several days I figured I was mistaken.

"Dandelion Books is a sister company to WhatReallyHappened, a noted conspiracy site famous that has been deemed inappropriate for use on DU because of it's anti-semitic commentary."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x39609

this was from February last year, so there may have been a change of policy.)


(edit - I'll bet anything that when he updates with the Jordan bomb story, he'll insinuate - or perhaps even flat out state - that Mossad was involved)

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

21. Top of Rivero's site right now:

"Think it through. What possible reason would arabs have to kill other Arabs, Palestinians other Palestinians, or Muslims other Muslims.

... while Israelis got an advance warning.

"By way of deception, thou shalt conquer" -- Motto of the Mossad."

Told ya.

[geek tragedy]

22. WRH uses "Jew" and "Zionist" interchangeably. That's a red flag. eom

[madeline_con]

19. I found the whole thing ridiculous.

"Save the dogs!"

Trying to drum up support, from those who couldn't give a s#it about other people, they figured this poor doggy will get them behind this "Crusade". PUH leez!

edited for speeling