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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:37 PM
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Bush admin claims Americans have "too much" health insurance
From a brilliant article by Malcolm Gladwell in this week's New Yorker.

WARNING: If you're uninsured, you may not be able to afford the increase in blood pressure that will be brought on by the article.

The logic...was laid out in the 2004 Economic Report of the President. Americans, the report argues, have too much health insurance: typical plans cover things that they shouldn’t, creating the problem of overconsumption....

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In other words, those with health insurance are overinsured and their behavior is distorted by moral hazard. Those without health insurance use their own money to make decisions about insurance based on an assessment of their needs. The insured are wasteful. The uninsured are prudent. So what’s the solution? Make the insured a little bit more like the uninsured.

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In the rest of the industrialized world, it is assumed that the more equally and widely the burdens of illness are shared, the better off the population as a whole is likely to be. The reason the United States has forty-five million people without coverage is that its health-care policy is in the hands of people who disagree, and who regard health insurance not as the solution but as the problem.


http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050829fa_fact
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:38 PM
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1. and some of us don't have enough! n/t
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:41 PM
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2. If that is the case
We should remove all medical coverage and retirement pay for all congressman, presidents, vice presidents, cabinet members, CIA directors, FBI directors and so on!

They got the bucks they don't even need it.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:20 PM
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18. Aye Aye!
Was thinking the same thing....
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:45 PM
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3. Funny considering how many typically normal tests we've paid for ourselves
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 01:45 PM by whatever4
Because the insurance doesn't cover them. Like $700 test, not $10.

Too much. Jesus. What a bunch of, oh, you know...greedy creeps.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:48 PM
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4. so it is "prudent" to avoid treating chronic conditions
like high blood pressure that have no obvious symptoms? Or early type II diabetes?

So it is prudent to allow a condition to fester until it becomes an emergency room case?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:52 PM
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5. Here is a good question from the article:
A country that displays an almost ruthless commitment to efficiency and performance in every aspect of its economy—a country that switched to Japanese cars the moment they were more reliable, and to Chinese T-shirts the moment they were five cents cheaper—has loyally stuck with a health-care system that leaves its citizenry pulling out their teeth with pliers.

WHY?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:59 PM
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7. because it's all about money
the one with the most money is 'goodest'- The others are lazy slobs, who get what they deserve.

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:57 PM
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6. I have no health
insurance, and because of pre-existing conditions have been told i never will be able to get any.
I'll die before i'm 65, so it doesn't much matter about medicare- it's an efficent system. Eliminate the poorer unhealthy members of society, by illness- those that can afford to survive, will insure that 'their own' survive as well.
Doesn't really piss me off for myself, as i don't expect anything more, but it does for the others like me- who through the fault of 'fate' cannot get health care that those born into wealth can.

Corporate welfare kings et al.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:41 PM
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8. class war by attrition? pretty blatant here he wants Democrats dead n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:24 PM
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9. There is a kernel of truth here.
We don't need insurance. We need a public health care system,
because it is in the public interest to have the public be
healthy. Duh.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:44 PM
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10. You Got It, BeMildred
Bullseye!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:53 PM
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11. This is just disgusting. Republicans aren't fit to rule.
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:42 PM
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12. I almost thought this was some kind of joke!
I don't have health insurance either. One accident or sudden bout with illness and I am bankrupt. (Thank you to the Repukes and members of my own political party who voted for that predatory bankruptcy bill). I almost thought this was the New Yorker's official position on health care. Thankly I read it twice to make sure I was reading it correctly.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:11 PM
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13. Let them eat cake n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:59 PM
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14. Yup - to hell to the people who cannot afford health care or are unlucky
& sick. To hell also to competitiveness for big industry as health care costs are a tax on them. To hell with small businesses who happen to have a sick employee.

Sometimes one should say "to hell" to people. If they have abused you, used you, attacked & baited you. But not when you are leading a country into the information age where health care will be at a premium. What could be stupider than not sharing the risk over generations and getting the kids involved in paying the taxes to help fund health care for the elderly. Why? Because Bush wants a generation of youngons to grow up thinking paying any tax at all is a crime.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:05 PM
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15. Bush doesn't think anything
Evil men like Grover Norquist are doing the thinking, and they are the ones that want the younger generation to grow up thinking they have the rights to great roads, great US jobs, a huge military, good strong police and fire protection, and virtually no taxes.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:16 PM
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16. where do roads, police, firemen, military come from without taxes????
the disconnect is not to be believed
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:15 AM
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23. Let them take tylenol. That broken arm doesn't hurt so bad now does it?
Pigfuckers.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:42 PM
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17. Disgusting. Orwellian.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:47 AM
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19. They have too much health too - A little hardship is good fo all
dem po people.

"When they are walking barefoot on dirt floors they will begging to work for $2.00 an hour.", GWB. - In my nightmare.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:43 PM
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20. "Let them eat cake" said Marie Antoinette. This little piece
sounds like something she might have said were it applicable in her day. How sick and how sad but more importantly, how NOT Christian!
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:50 PM
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21. DIE, MOTHERFUCKER.
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 11:50 PM by belle
Stupid fucking asshole fuck, the uninsured are "prudent?!?" No, asshat, they ("we," let's be honest) just. can't. AFFORD to go to the doctor. Including if it's a fucking life-threatening disease. Asshole, I hope he rots from the inside out and is given a $12,000 bandage and kicked out of his hospital bed.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:05 AM
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22. How perfectly succint. I couldn't agree more......n/t
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